Atheism

[Katatawnic]

Well Kat, your situation at hand is yours.....mine is what has been dealt. I have NEVER EVER been called a cunt by any single person "other than" a gay man----has nothing to do with being raised in a sheltered life.....this I can honestly ASSURE you. That is a very derrogatory word used to express hatred towards a woman. Your typical heterosexual man will use terms such as "bitch, slut, whore".........NOT CUNT. I grew up with a gay brother Kat, and along with that, his gay friends......very much a derrogatory statement via the gay man........I have noted it all too many times. AGAIN, NEVER heard it from ANY man other than a gay man......and again, positively nothing to do with a sheltered life........anything but.
And I do mean, ANYTHING but.
I see how it is so easy to misread, yet at the same time, I can't argue your choice of words here---"trying on homosexuality"....it's REAL Kat. There is an enormous growth with that expermental factor...I have PERSONALLY witnessed it all too many times for it to NOT be noted. I have had SO many female "friends" or "aquantenaces" who were otherwise straight just suddenly try on being a lesbian for size......often for the sake of pleasing their male partner................sometimes for shock value among family members.........but RARELY, if EVER, because it was their INATE belief that the same sex was FOR THEM.

Well, your post stated that you'd never heard the word come from anyone's mouth but a gay man's, not that you'd only been CALLED such a gay man. I replied to what your words stated. Further, I don't personally find cunt any more insulting than bitch, slut, whore, etc.; nor any less, mind you. If a word is said with malicious intent, the intent is there.

Experimentation is also not a new thing, nor is it growing; at least not by much. Again, it's simply being admitted to a lot more now. There is a tremendous difference. People are less afraid to admit to their desires and/or actions, because, as I stated before, homosexuality (sexuality, period) is a bit more socially acceptable as of late. Now, experimenting for the sake of shock value or pleasing one's partner, etc., isn't about being trendy; it's simply acting out in the hopes of gaining attention due to low self esteem. It's still not a "trendy" thing, though; just sad.

I don't often tell people that I'm bisexual and polyamorous because I quickly got tired of being told by others that I'm "only" experimenting and/or trying to be trendy, etc. The fact that I've been in a monogamous relationship for the last five years would make many think that their arguments are bolstered, their points proven. People make assumptions based on their personal preferences, lifestyle choices, and what they're told. That doesn't mean they are correct.

I've been told by people who have no idea what they're talking about that I can not be bisexual nor polyamorous because I don't want to screw every person I meet, and don't cheat on my partner. They don't understand that one doesn't have to be in a polyamorous relationship in order to be polyamorous, and that one doesn't have to be juggling many male and female partners simultaneously in order to be bisexual. I've been in monogamous relationships with men, monogamous relationships with women, and polyamorous relationships with both. (Please don't mistake polyamory for the "swinging" lifestyle, as they are completely different.) None of it was experimenting; I knew exactly what I wanted and how I felt, and I acted accordingly each time. Nor was it for shock value, nor to please anyone but myself and those whom I've loved.

I happen to be a bisexual, polyamorous woman who is in a heterosexual, monogamous relationship that is (generally, lol) secure, stable, and loving. Although the main reason my relationship is monogamous is because of how my partner feels about it, I don't feel like I'm "missing out" because I have only one partner, male or female. I guess I just don't feel so confined to "just" men, or women, or how many people I love.

Now, all that said on a very tired Sunday evening (meaning yes, I know I'm rambling and have likely repeated myself in this post), I can say with confidence that, aside from heterosexuality (as of course that is the norm), there will likely be some "experimenting" in the beginning, simply because as "sure" as so many people are about their sexuality, they likely aren't 100% sure until they've been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. I'll gladly admit that there was "tentative experimentation" with my first girlfriend, because it was the first time I'd not only admitted my feelings out loud, but more importantly acted on them. I could indeed have been "wrong" about being bisexual, and instead have only been curious, hence feeling "experimental" at first. But trust me, the only thing that subsided was my not being 100% sure that I was truly bisexual until I first experimented, and continued with that relationship for over a year.

BTW, ever met a gay man that didn't have embedded issues with their mother? Dig deep. I don't make references to my growing up with ONE gay brother, but by speaking with NUMEROUS gay men.

Yes, I absolutely have. How many straight men have you met that don't have issues with their mothers and/or fathers? Straight women? People, period? Having issues with one's parents is the norm, not the exception. And it's certainly not a sexual orientation related thing.

 

[Babs34]

Well, your post stated that you'd never heard the word come from anyone's mouth but a gay man's, not that you'd only been CALLED such a gay man. I replied to what your words stated. Further, I don't personally find cunt any more insulting than bitch, slut, whore, etc.; nor any less, mind you. If a word is said with malicious intent, the intent is there.

Experimentation is also not a new thing, nor is it growing; at least not by much. Again, it's simply being admitted to a lot more now. There is a tremendous difference. People are less afraid to admit to their desires and/or actions, because, as I stated before, homosexuality (sexuality, period) is a bit more socially acceptable as of late. Now, experimenting for the sake of shock value or pleasing one's partner, etc., isn't about being trendy; it's simply acting out in the hopes of gaining attention due to low self esteem. It's still not a "trendy" thing, though; just sad.

I don't often tell people that I'm bisexual and polyamorous because I quickly got tired of being told by others that I'm "only" experimenting and/or trying to be trendy, etc. The fact that I've been in a monogamous relationship for the last five years would make many think that their arguments are bolstered, their points proven. People make assumptions based on their personal preferences, lifestyle choices, and what they're told. That doesn't mean they are correct.

I've been told by people who have no idea what they're talking about that I can not be bisexual nor polyamorous because I don't want to screw every person I meet, and don't cheat on my partner. They don't understand that one doesn't have to be in a polyamorous relationship in order to be polyamorous, and that one doesn't have to be juggling many male and female partners simultaneously in order to be bisexual. I've been in monogamous relationships with men, monogamous relationships with women, and polyamorous relationships with both. (Please don't mistake polyamory for the "swinging" lifestyle, as they are completely different.) None of it was experimenting; I knew exactly what I wanted and how I felt, and I acted accordingly each time. Nor was it for shock value, nor to please anyone but myself and those whom I've loved.

I happen to be a bisexual, polyamorous woman who is in a heterosexual, monogamous relationship that is (generally, lol) secure, stable, and loving. Although the main reason my relationship is monogamous is because of how my partner feels about it, I don't feel like I'm "missing out" because I have only one partner, male or female. I guess I just don't feel so confined to "just" men, or women, or how many people I love.

Now, all that said on a very tired Sunday evening (meaning yes, I know I'm rambling and have likely repeated myself in this post), I can say with confidence that, aside from heterosexuality (as of course that is the norm), there will likely be some "experimenting" in the beginning, simply because as "sure" as so many people are about their sexuality, they likely aren't 100% sure until they've been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. I'll gladly admit that there was "tentative experimentation" with my first girlfriend, because it was the first time I'd not only admitted my feelings out loud, but more importantly acted on them. I could indeed have been "wrong" about being bisexual, and instead have only been curious, hence feeling "experimental" at first. But trust me, the only thing that subsided was my not being 100% sure that I was truly bisexual until I first experimented, and continued with that relationship for over a year.



Yes, I absolutely have. How many straight men have you met that don't have issues with their mothers and/or fathers? Straight women? People, period? Having issues with one's parents is the norm, not the exception. And it's certainly not a sexual orientation related thing.

Wowza....too entirely much to digest for my being on this clock.....it's earlier for you.
Personally, I DO find "cunt" to hold a bit more derrogartory value...simply "because" it has only been heard "by" a gay man.
"Naturally" MOST have at least one or another issue with their mother/father........but BET on it, there IS a pattern like no other in the male/female role in parenthood when acknowledging a TRUE homosexual. A gay man is almost ALWAYS overly protected by his mother or has an EXTREMELY domineering mother, and either an entirely absent father or role model that exhibits absence in one way or another.
Look Kat, I appreciate your honesty here with your excursions............but truth is truth. You just ARE one or the other. When it comes to preferences, you are "either or." Bisexuality falls into play of just "playing." There IS such a thing as peference.
I've never been afraid to admit that I find the woman's body beautiful......but I haven't the inate capacity to go down on one,.......it's just not me.
I love men......for their bodies. It just so happens that nine out of ten times, their minds ROYALLY SUCK.
"However"....because I can share this heartfelt feeling with other females does not necessiate a need to have sex with them.
LOL, I have stories galore......just one tiny example----one of my best friends growing up. I used to take this girl and throw her over my shoulder at high school parties because guys would FUCK her WHILE SHE WAS PASSED OUT!!!!!!!!!!!! How could I feel good about going home semi-sober knowing she was being raped??????? I did this for 2 out of her 4 HS years.
You know how she thanked me? HAHAHHHA, I'm sorry, it's funny "now." I moved in with her at the age of 21, after having not been around her for YEARS. It turned out she was the "same ole, same ole".........in short, she was simply a slut.
The phone rang off the hook...whenver she wasn't there (she randomly gave her phone number out to EVERY GUY SHE MET).........SO, whenever she wasn't passing out an invitation to screw her, she was coming on to me!!!
She was NOT a lesbian, just a lost fucking soul in search of SOMEthing, ANYthing that would bring her gratification in one way or another. It was VERY sad.
I guarantee you though.........that girl was no lesbian and had she not been brought up in such a fucked up environment, she would have never had a single encounter with another female.
My take is that you are either inately attracted to either your own or the opposite sex.........anything else is just PLAY.

 

[Katatawnic]

So Babs, tell me: was I just playing with the women I've loved, or just playing with the men? Let me guess... it must be the women, since I'm currently in a relationship with a man, correct?

Or did I simply grow up in a fucked up environment, else I'd never have had a single encounter with another female?

I'm awaiting your diagnonsense, Dr. Babs. You obviously know who I am and how I feel and what my preferences are (or aren't) much more than I do.

BTW, what did your parents do to your brother? Did your mother smother or neglect him? Was your father non-existent or overbearing? Why didn't you end up a screwed up lesbian from the fucked up environment your brother MUST have had?

 

[Katatawnic]

Look Kat, I appreciate your honesty here with your excursions............but truth is truth. You just ARE one or the other. When it comes to preferences, you are "either or." Bisexuality falls into play of just "playing." There IS such a thing as peference.
I've never been afraid to admit that I find the woman's body beautiful......but I haven't the inate compacity to go down on one,.......it's just not me.
I love men......for their bodies. It just so happens that nine out of ten times, their minds ROYALLY SUCK.
"However"....because I can share this heartfelt feeling with other females does not necessiate a need to have sex with them.

Describing how you feel about male and female anatomy doesn't make it a fact for all other people. I know it feels comfy to look that something all wrapped up into a pretty package, but it's only paper and bows. Decorations don't change the contents; they only hide them from your view.

I don't know why you feel so threatened by what isn't the societal norm, but covering your eyes and explaining it away won't make it disappear.

 

[Dr. Greenhorn]

well, getting back to the scissors issue, was it the same everywhere as far as the color coding of the scissors was? green for lefty, red for righty?

 

[Katatawnic]

Personally, I DO find "cunt" to hold a bit more derrogartory value...simply "because" it has only been heard "by" a gay man.

Whoa, I just now noticed this one... so if you'd heard it "by" a straight woman, would that make it less derogatory? You really have a problem with gays. Is this a Bible thing, or resentment about your brother, or fear, or what?

 

[eggsonbass]

For me it's simply obvious that religion is all made up. I tried to vie the whole thing a good solid run, believe me, but i just kept running into the same fucking thing- evolution. every religion on earth has evolved. woops.

 

[Babs34]

So Babs, tell me: was I just playing with the women I've loved, or just playing with the men? Let me guess... it must be the women, since I'm currently in a relationship with a man, correct?

Or did I simply grow up in a fucked up environment, else I'd never have had a single encounter with another female?

I'm awaiting your diagnonsense, Dr. Babs. You obviously know who I am and how I feel and what my preferences are (or aren't) much more than I do.

BTW, what did your parents do to your brother? Did your mother smother or neglect him? Was your father non-existent or overbearing? Why didn't you end up a screwed up lesbian from the fucked up environment your brother MUST have had?

My mother was both overbearing and neglectful.......my father allowed her to wear the pants in all matters.
As for the diagnosis, it would appear you are readily prepared to diagnose my upbringing as having been "sheltered" Kat. I've lived through some rather extrodinary events in my life....."sheltered" is not an adjective that comes into play.
Why you are making such a play on my acknowledging to Morgen that by calling me a cunt, he was in no way adding "substance" (as I've been accused of).....well, Kat....what can I say? This too is beyond me.
I'm a very laid back person. What you choose to do with your personal life is your personal business.
I am only stating the facts. There is always a preference.
I am who I am because God made me that way.....and I'm still working on His will.

 

[Babs34]

Whoa, I just now noticed this one... so if you'd heard it "by" a straight woman, would that make it less derogatory? You really have a problem with gays. Is this a Bible thing, or resentment about your brother, or fear, or what?

none of the above Kat.....none of the above.
You are reading entirely too much into the little I stated.

 

[Katatawnic]

As for the diagnosis, it would appear you are readily prepared to diagnose my upbringing as having been "sheltered" Kat. I've lived through some rather extrodinary events in my life....."sheltered" is not an adjective that comes into play.

There's a difference between sarcasm and telling others who/what they are as if you have some kind of authority on a subject about which you obviously know nothing.

Why you are making such a play on my acknowledging to Morgen that by calling me a cunt, he was in no way adding "substance" (as I've been accused of).....well, Kat....what can I say? This too is beyond me.

I never stated whether or not Morgen was adding substance to any conversation by calling anyone by any name. Reread my posts and you'll see this, but I'm not going to sit here and explain what is crystal clear in the words I typed. I'm having a discussion, not playing childish word games.

I'm a very laid back person. What you choose to do with your personal life is your personal business.

Perhaps you'd come off as a "very laid back person" if you'd actually listen to what others tell you about their personal experiences rather than telling them that they're wrong, because you know the facts and therefore they can't possibly be right about themselves.

I am only stating the facts. There is always a preference.

Facts as you are insisting on seeing them. Stubbornly, might I add. Cite your facts with sources, or drop the word.

Again, you proclaim to know what I think, feel, want, etc. Are you a genius, or psychic? Whatever it is, I bow to you... I apparently wouldn't know myself if you weren't here to correct me. Perhaps you'll figure out for me whether I'm straight or gay once and for all, while you're at it.

I am who I am because God made me that way.....and I'm still working on His will.

What if his will is for you to open your eyes and stop being ignorant?

none of the above Kat.....none of the above.
You are reading entirely too much into the little I stated.

Let's see what you stated again...

Personally, I DO find "cunt" to hold a bit more derrogartory value...simply "because" it has only been heard "by" a gay man.

What "little" you stated screamed volumes. I stand by my response.

 

[Babs34]

.such a LOVELY way to start my day.


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As for the diagnosis, it would appear you are readily prepared to diagnose my upbringing as having been "sheltered" Kat. I've lived through some rather extraordinary events in my life....."sheltered" is not an adjective that comes into play.

There's a difference between sarcasm and telling others who/what they are as if you have some kind of authority on a subject about which you obviously know nothing.
I told you who you are Kat? Really? Where? If you look back on these posts where it is you who initially posted "to me"..it is crystal clear that it is "you" telling me who I am.
OK, I've hung out with far too many gay men for you to state I "obviously know nothing."

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Why you are making such a play on my acknowledging to Morgen that by calling me a cunt, he was in no way adding "substance" (as I've been accused of).....well, Kat....what can I say? This too is beyond me.
I never stated whether or not Morgen was adding substance to any conversation by calling anyone by any name. Reread my posts and you'll see this, but I'm not going to sit here and explain what is crystal clear in the words I typed. I'm having a discussion, not playing childish word games.
...and I never accused you of calling any one a name or referencing to Morgen's "substance".. YES, please do re-read. I really don't know where you got that from my above statement. I was referencing to HIM and YOU used it as an opportunity to jump in to the conversation....just to harangue me, I might add. You so completely misread. This is why I have skipped out on reading any posts on this thread for awhile now. So many of you have already formed your opinion COMPLETELY about those of us who believe in God and WHAT it is we believe. One can only bang their head against the wall so many times before waking up and smelling the coffee. There are no "discussions" on this thread. Never once have I witnessed any proclaimed Christian chime in so they could proselytize. Every last time a fellow believer dared to post, they were jumped on like prey from others. Please, there are no discussions on this thread....just attacks already formed because of pre-judgment. Questions are posed to a believer, but an honest answer is not what is sought on this thread, as has been evident. It's really getting old watching the "come-back" from the atheist to demand that a believer prove God.....otherwise they are "stupid."
That was solely my response to how confusing I found it that you were breaking apart my every sentence in defense mode....no need to be that way with me.

There is no desire on my part to bash gay people...NONE. Why you are attempting to note me as homophobic is ridiculously laughable. Again, you are telling me who I am, not vice verca.

You state that you "were having a discussion." A discussion entails asking questions when in doubt, not just emphatically and falsely accusing others of their beliefs.

Sorry if as I stated "verbatim" that I feel there is always a preference offended you...sheesh.

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I'm a very laid back person. What you choose to do with your personal life is your personal business.
Perhaps you'd come off as a "very laid back person" if you'd actually listen to what others tell you about their personal experiences rather than telling them that they're wrong, because you know the facts and therefore they can't possibly be right about themselves.
I did listen....or rather read. Again, I don't know why you find it so offensive that you feel this need to put me on a stand. AGAIN, I told you that you were "wrong"...about what? You lost me Kat.
I told you positively nothing about yourself. Why are you getting so defensive with me?

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I am only stating the facts. There is always a preference.
Facts as you are insisting on seeing them. Stubbornly, might I add. Cite your facts with sources, or drop the word.

Again, you proclaim to know what I think, feel, want, etc. Are you a genius, or psychic? Whatever it is, I bow to you... I apparently wouldn't know myself if you weren't here to correct me. Perhaps you'll figure out for me whether I'm straight or gay once and for all, while you're at it.
Kat, there was not a single second of my posting last night where I was being stubborn. In fact, one of the first things I said was that it was later for me than you. I was on my way to bed. I promise you the last thing on my mind was telling you who you are or ANALYZING you ..the Dr. Babs comment, along with some other choice words you threw out were just outlandish...and so very uncalled for. I wish you would see that.
When in doubt, ask me.
Had I known in advance that by my merely posting was going to create such havoc, I'd of gone to bed earlier........dayum.
Sorry.....I can't tell you if you're gay or straight. I don't have enough information to guide you there.

I am who I am because God made me that way.....and I'm still working on His will.
What if his will is for you to open your eyes and stop being ignorant?
That was just low Kat. I reserve that kind of response from cj. There was no "discussion"....just one accusation after another from you.
"Ignorance" is defined by the beholder who portrays themself as knowing something to be absolute truth.....that being said, every last one of us posting here is ignorant in that case.

Post 1, 938---....I do not pretend to understand any single thing in all its complexities.

 

[Babs34]

Kumbaya.....
Someones sleeping my lord......

Kumbayaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
..passing the peace pipe around.

 

[afrawfraw]

Someones scared my lord, Kumbayaa, Someone's ignorant my lord, kumbayaa, someones insecure my lord kumbayaa, stop asking questions, kumbayaa. "I said CANNABIS, not Franchensense!" - GOD

 

[afrawfraw]

What if our whole universe is a PETRI DISH?

 

[Babs34]

Someones scared my lord, Kumbayaa, Someone's ignorant my lord, kumbayaa, someones insecure my lord kumbayaa, stop asking questions, kumbayaa. "I said CANNABIS, not Franchensense!" - GOD

And I said amennnnnn.
No misconstruing on my end.
Are you CJ's alter ego? or maybe just one of his disciples?
Loosen up that tie a bit and relax.

 

[OregonMeds]

Wowza....too entirely much to digest for my being on this clock.....it's earlier for you.
Personally, I DO find "cunt" to hold a bit more derrogartory value...simply "because" it has only been heard "by" a gay man.
"Naturally" MOST have at least one or another issue with their mother/father........but BET on it, there IS a pattern like no other in the male/female role in parenthood when acknowledging a TRUE homosexual. A gay man is almost ALWAYS overly protected by his mother or has an EXTREMELY domineering mother, and either an entirely absent father or role model that exhibits absence in one way or another.
Look Kat, I appreciate your honesty here with your excursions............but truth is truth. You just ARE one or the other. When it comes to preferences, you are "either or." Bisexuality falls into play of just "playing." There IS such a thing as peference.
I've never been afraid to admit that I find the woman's body beautiful......but I haven't the inate capacity to go down on one,.......it's just not me.
I love men......for their bodies. It just so happens that nine out of ten times, their minds ROYALLY SUCK.
"However"....because I can share this heartfelt feeling with other females does not necessiate a need to have sex with them.
LOL, I have stories galore......just one tiny example----one of my best friends growing up. I used to take this girl and throw her over my shoulder at high school parties because guys would FUCK her WHILE SHE WAS PASSED OUT!!!!!!!!!!!! How could I feel good about going home semi-sober knowing she was being raped??????? I did this for 2 out of her 4 HS years.
You know how she thanked me? HAHAHHHA, I'm sorry, it's funny "now." I moved in with her at the age of 21, after having not been around her for YEARS. It turned out she was the "same ole, same ole".........in short, she was simply a slut.
The phone rang off the hook...whenver she wasn't there (she randomly gave her phone number out to EVERY GUY SHE MET).........SO, whenever she wasn't passing out an invitation to screw her, she was coming on to me!!!
She was NOT a lesbian, just a lost fucking soul in search of SOMEthing, ANYthing that would bring her gratification in one way or another. It was VERY sad.
I guarantee you though.........that girl was no lesbian and had she not been brought up in such a fucked up environment, she would have never had a single encounter with another female.
My take is that you are either inately attracted to either your own or the opposite sex.........anything else is just PLAY.

Hi my name is babs...
"Just a lost fucking soul in search of something."


Clueless Babs, you don't even have an opinion of your own do you, and you don't realize where your opinions even came from do you?

 

[Babs34]

Hi my name is babs...
"Just a lost fucking soul in search of something."


Clueless Babs, you don't even have an opinion of your own do you, and you don't realize where your opinions even came from do you?

oh look, another disciple.

 

[afrawfraw]

Oooooohhhhhh!! A pissing contest...i remember these from mensa.

 

[afrawfraw]

And who the hell is cj? "When the fuck did we get ice cream?" - The Ringer

 

[CrackerJax]

Babs believes what she believes....but can't defend it. Babs doesn't CARE about evidence, she just wants to feel comfort from the myth. I understand.... really I do.

It's pretty simple. Very simple. Simple.


^^^^^^

I am CJ and I have a gang. Or so "they" say. It's better for their ego to think that is takes a concerted effort to dispel the myth of religion. It doesn't....just a bit of common sense and the discipline to not think of yourself as the center of it all.