I think my clones are dying!

Subtlechaos

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Give them a few more days...if they don't pull through you can always get some smaller cuttings and try it again, my man.
Nah. No more cuttings. Only budding of the mother.

Seriously... You should see how utterly beautiful the mother is, IRL. She's not even 9 weeks old, and is almost 3 feet tall. For a kush plant, that's DECENT!

She starts budding, Sunday.:mrgreen:

Thanx 2 all for ALL the help. Hopefully they pull through.
 

fdd2blk

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my cuttings ALWAYS droop the first few days. try leaving them alone and they will probably be a lot better off. they look fine and should be ok if you don't kill them by trying to "fix" them. there is nothing wrong with them.
 

fdd2blk

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Whenever i have taken cuttings...or seen people take cuttings...there aren't as many leaves...the more leaves and foliage...the less energy that is going into producing the roots.
did you just make this up or what?

leaves HOLD ENERGY and produce photosynthesis which produces ENERGY. more leaves means MORE ENERGY. :bigjoint:
 

Subtlechaos

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leave only the small shoots and one or two shade leaves.. the plant transpires all the stored water and nutrients through the leaf surface and dries up.. keep the humidity at 90% and the temps at 80
Ok. Enough people have given me good cause to. I trimmed the bottom leaves. Here's how they are, now.



I'm gonna' let them be, now. Hope for the best.
 

Subtlechaos

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my cuttings ALWAYS droop the first few days. try leaving them alone and they will probably be a lot better off. they look fine and should be ok if you don't kill them by trying to "fix" them. there is nothing wrong with them.
Thanx alot fdd2blk. Unfortunately, I did go back in there and cut on em', before I saw your post. :wall: Dammit.

I didn't cut that much off. Just the bottom set of fan leaves.

Thanx for taking the time, brother. they're back under the hood and are being left alone, now. Just so I know... The next time I take cuttings, I should do as I did, and just leave them be?... In other words, I did fine until I started trying to fix what wasn't broke... right?
 

doniawon

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that heating pad might be making your bottom temps too high.. if thats the case, a bath towel, between the mat and flat works for me.. also make sure your cubes stay wet, maybe add some distilled water to the flat.
 

g00sEgg

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did you just make this up or what?

leaves HOLD ENERGY and produce photosynthesis which produces ENERGY. more leaves means MORE ENERGY. :bigjoint:
No I didn't make that up...pretty sure I read it on this forum somewhere...either way...fdd2blk is more experienced then I am...so he'd know. I thought the less foliage..the faster you get roots...maybe i read it wrong. :wall:
My bad...haha
 

jack the beanstalk

Active Member
Yeah, just like that. Check the mat temp and spray less and you are golden. If you were so inclined you could trim about half the area off the bigger leaves to keep them a little straighter. Those leaves are gonna yellow when it starts rooting anyway. Don't worry so much about "stress" from a sharp par of scissors. The plant will thank you for reducing it's load.
 

jack the beanstalk

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No I didn't make that up...pretty sure I read it on this forum somewhere...either way...fdd2blk is more experienced then I am...so he'd know. I thought the less foliage..the faster you get roots...maybe i read it wrong. :wall:
My bad...haha
It uses the leaves for carbs when it runs out, it strips the leaves when it is flowering. The plant at this stage is however, not growing and so doesn't need, food or sugars from the leaves so it doesn't need extra. It needs enough to be a balanced individual and get itself through the early root development. When it grows enough to have roots the issue is moot because it will start stacking nodes of foliage anyhow.

Just because you like a persons posts and plants doesn't mean that the new guy with a few posts is a noob or doesn't know what he is talking about.

Just sayin'.
 

fdd2blk

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It uses the leaves for carbs when it runs out, it strips the leaves when it is flowering. The plant at this stage is however, not growing and so doesn't need, food or sugars from the leaves so it doesn't need extra. It needs enough to be a balanced individual and get itself through the early root development. When it grows enough to have roots the issue is moot because it will start stacking nodes of foliage anyhow.

Just because you like a persons posts and plants doesn't mean that the new guy with a few posts is a noob or doesn't know what he is talking about.

Just sayin'.

yeah, listen to this guy. :eyesmoke: :mrgreen:


it's TRYING to grow ROOTS. it NEEDS all the stored energy in those leaves. :wall:
 

fdd2blk

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Yeah, just like that. Check the mat temp and spray less and you are golden. If you were so inclined you could trim about half the area off the bigger leaves to keep them a little straighter. Those leaves are gonna yellow when it starts rooting anyway. Don't worry so much about "stress" from a sharp par of scissors. The plant will thank you for reducing it's load.
"to keep them straighter"?

that's how you fix droopy leaves? just lighten the load?

ok, you win. i'll step off. :bigjoint:
 

Subtlechaos

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fdd2blk said:
yeah, listen to this guy. :eyesmoke: :mrgreen:
it's TRYING to grow ROOTS. it NEEDS all the stored energy in those leaves. :wall:
Haha. I got my advice, brother. Next time, don't fix what aint' broke, and I'll be fine.

Thanx 2 every1 for all the help. This thread has helped to ease some of my concern with my clones, and MORE IMPORTANTLY I've learned what to do(or more what NOT to do) next time i take cuttings. So, thank you.

I've now got my other 4-foot lamp hung. The light I'm using could be better, but it will suffice. Four 40W fluoros. 2 warm, 2 cool. I'm taking CGs advice, and laying off the foliar watering for a while, and instead just keep my dome wet to keep the humidity as high as possible. Now that my lights are all hung, i feel even more confident that they'll come around all by themselves.

:leaf:Subtle:leaf:
 

NLNo5

Active Member
He Dude just abide a little while, say a few prayers and calm your system. It's obvious you love your plants man. But you got to let your children run free if they are going to grow to be strong. We were all in your shoes when we took our first cuttings.

I usually don't take my cuttings between the 4th and 5th node. I usually take my cuttings between the second and third node right above the third node. I trim all the secondary leaves in half. However, I believe in Jorge, so do what he says if you like.

Monitor your heat, you just want to maintain a differential between the air temp in the hood and the temp at the base of your cubes. 5 degrees is enough to coax those roots. I stick a thermometer in a moist cube of rockwool. Position the thermometer about 75% into the rockwool. Then hang another temp monitor inside your hood about midway or at the level of your vegetation. Shoot for 5 degrees difference, up to 10 degrees difference may actually be too much IMHO (if your air temp is 70 your root temp should be 75-80).

I noticed from your plants that there is actually no wilting of the leaves. This is a very good sign that you will be ok. No wilting means the plant is still transporting water (no air embolism).

I always soak and pH ballance my rock wool beforehand. I also do a final soak in an extremely light solution of grow nutes. I'm talking 50-100 ppm nutes using either DI or RO water. You can use any good nutes (I like Peters Classic 20/20/20, or Earth Juice RootStock if you want to spend some money). I use this solution to mist and water my rockwool. I don't water my rock wool until I see that first root. And then I'd water from the bottom up by dipping in a small saucer so I know my wool is not to saturated. Keeping air inside that wool is important, you just want enough water for humidity.

I think Jorge recommends the 4 to 5 node so that you can have some decent foliage on your plant. Jorge knows that those leaves will actually run the rooting engine. My guess is that 4-6 leaves is going to give your plant the best opportunity. I don't use so many leaves when I do it, but all things considered the leaves, light, and humidity is probably the greatest help for your plant. I've seen cuttings survive in rockwool with just leaves, light and humidity.

I think you are showing a lot of success for your first go at it. You've done your research, you're relying on input from other growers, you're following the rules of cloning, and your passionate about your kids. They look fine so far.

Peace Out Baby
 

Babs34

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Hey all. I just took a couple of cuttings from my Powerkush, last night. Here's the mother...


This my first time taking cuttings, and i thought I did everything right.

I made my cuts at a 45 degree angle, between the 4th and 5th node. Immediately dipped them in Clonex, stuck them in rockwool, & set them on an inch thick bed of perlite. My lighting currently sucks. I got a small cfl in a lamp, next to two 4-foot fluorescents. My 4-footers are 1 warm white, 1 cool white. Tomorrow, I've got to go to Wal-Mart and get some chains to hang my other 4-foot lamp. I'm supposed to have FOUR 4-footers.
Anyways, here's the pics...



I get up this morning, and this is what I see...



Thank you to any who take the time to help. I think I'm coming along pretty well as a gardener, and I'd really like to know what's wrong. Even if they die, I need to know what I did wrong(if anything) because the only way Im gonna' get to be the gardener i want to be, is to be criticized when I fuck somethin' up. So please be critical. I still have them under the hood, and I wet them every couple of hours.

+rep for all help received...
No need to be critical, I'm just wondering why you opted to use rockwool, particularly when you are growing in dirt?

Personally, I only had to look at the cubes in a shop to just get a bad feeling about cloning with them, but that's just me.

Those wilted clones you found the next morning will spruce right up given the right environment.
 

Subtlechaos

Well-Known Member
He Dude just abide a little while, say a few prayers and calm your system. It's obvious you love your plants man. But you got to let your children run free if they are going to grow to be strong. We were all in your shoes when we took our first cuttings.

I usually don't take my cuttings between the 4th and 5th node. I usually take my cuttings between the second and third node right above the third node. I trim all the secondary leaves in half. However, I believe in Jorge, so do what he says if you like.

Monitor your heat, you just want to maintain a differential between the air temp in the hood and the temp at the base of your cubes. 5 degrees is enough to coax those roots. I stick a thermometer in a moist cube of rockwool. Position the thermometer about 75% into the rockwool. Then hang another temp monitor inside your hood about midway or at the level of your vegetation. Shoot for 5 degrees difference, up to 10 degrees difference may actually be too much IMHO (if your air temp is 70 your root temp should be 75-80).

I noticed from your plants that there is actually no wilting of the leaves. This is a very good sign that you will be ok. No wilting means the plant is still transporting water (no air embolism).

I always soak and pH ballance my rock wool beforehand. I also do a final soak in an extremely light solution of grow nutes. I'm talking 50-100 ppm nutes using either DI or RO water. You can use any good nutes (I like Peters Classic 20/20/20, or Earth Juice RootStock if you want to spend some money). I use this solution to mist and water my rockwool. I don't water my rock wool until I see that first root. And then I'd water from the bottom up by dipping in a small saucer so I know my wool is not to saturated. Keeping air inside that wool is important, you just want enough water for humidity.

I think Jorge recommends the 4 to 5 node so that you can have some decent foliage on your plant. Jorge knows that those leaves will actually run the rooting engine. My guess is that 4-6 leaves is going to give your plant the best opportunity. I don't use so many leaves when I do it, but all things considered the leaves, light, and humidity is probably the greatest help for your plant. I've seen cuttings survive in rockwool with just leaves, light and humidity.

I think you are showing a lot of success for your first go at it. You've done your research, you're relying on input from other growers, you're following the rules of cloning, and your passionate about your kids. They look fine so far.

Peace Out Baby
Thanx alot for takin' the time, and thanx for the kind words...

I didn't explain in enough detail, but I did in fact soak my rockwoll for a day, before taking my cuttings.(The Mr.Green video taught me that:mrgreen:)

It's funny. Every time I post about a technique I learned in a Jorge video, it's always agreed by the best gardeners to be the best, or one of the better methods.


No need to be critical, I'm just wondering why you opted to use rockwool, particularly when you are growing in dirt?

Personally, I only had to look at the cubes in a shop to just get a bad feeling about cloning with them, but that's just me.

Those wilted clones you found the next morning will spruce right up given the right environment.
I haven't grown that many times. Every time I've grown, I've used rockwool. I've had pretty good luck with it... Creature of habit, I guess. When I transfer them to soil, I plan to bury the rockwool deep anyhow, to keep the animals from digging it up.

Thanx for posting.:mrgreen:

Im glad I posted this thread.(Even though it only proved to make me look kinda' dumb:dunce:)

From here on out, I know what I'm doing, when I take cuttings.

Thanx again, to every1!

:peace:
 

g00sEgg

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Thanx alot for takin' the time, and thanx for the kind words...

I didn't explain in enough detail, but I did in fact soak my rockwoll for a day, before taking my cuttings.(The Mr.Green video taught me that:mrgreen:)

It's funny. Every time I post about a technique I learned in a Jorge video, it's always agreed by the best gardeners to be the best, or one of the better methods.




I haven't grown that many times. Every time I've grown, I've used rockwool. I've had pretty good luck with it... Creature of habit, I guess. When I transfer them to soil, I plan to bury the rockwool deep anyhow, to keep the animals from digging it up.

Thanx for posting.:mrgreen:

Im glad I posted this thread.(Even though it only proved to make me look kinda' dumb:dunce:)

From here on out, I know what I'm doing, when I take cuttings.

Thanx again, to every1!

:peace:
Are they perkin' up? How do they look today, bro?
 
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