Atheism

[shnkrmn]

And why should the district government be funding this anyway? Shouldn't the mighty church be funding its charitable work out of its vast coffers? It seems like the taxpayers financed it to the tune of 20 million dollars a year and the Archdiocese gets the credit????

Governments should not use churches as contractors. period.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/16/AR2010021604899.html

"So should we keep the foster program going, I mean... even though we hate homosexuals?... Aren't the kids more important than our feelings?... Nah! Fuck the kids! If they're going to be living with GAY PARENTS then I'd rather they live on the streets!"

Fuck Organized Religion and the ignorant fucks that come from it!

 

[CrackerJax]

Every time the church is used by the govt. for situations like that.... the church has violated the constitution.

They need to be washed out of those programs forever. Like anything, let the church stand on its own merit....and dime.

 

[afrawfraw]

Every time the church is used by the govt. for situations like that.... the church has violated the constitution.

They need to be washed out of those programs forever. Like anything, let the church stand on its own merit....and dime.

And for that matter why hasn't the government just created a bureau of feed everyone but our own (BOFEBOU) and have the same people doing the same shit. You get to control spending, and the missionaries get new shirts! Every body wins!

 

[CrackerJax]

Control spending/Government. Now there is an oxymoron if I ever heard one...

 

[PadawanBater]

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[Babs34]

Charity differences between religious and secular people persist if we look at the actual amounts of donations and volunteering. Indeed, measures of the dollars given and occasions volunteered per year produce a yawning gap between the groups. The average annual giving among the religious is $2,210, whereas it is $642 among the secular. Similarly, religious people volunteer an average of 12 times per year, while secular people volunteer an average of 5.8 times. To put this into perspective, religious people are 33 percent of the population but make 52 percent of donations and 45 percent of times volunteered. Secular people are 26 percent of the population but contribute 13 percent of the dollars and 17 percent of the times volunteered.
http://www.hoover.org/publications/policyreview/3447051.html

 

[PadawanBater]

Secular contributions to mankind;

-DNA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA
-Biology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology
-Molecular Biology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_molecular_biology
-Chemistry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemistry
-Physics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics
-Meteorology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteorology
-Electricity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity
-Water Purification http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_purification
-Food Sanitation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitation#Sanitation_in_the_food_industry
-Medicine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine
-Astronomy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomy
-Education http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education

Just to name a few...

Religion provides people with a cause to give their money to, secular people clean up their mess.

 

[Babs34]

So none of those in the scientific/educational field are religous and/or believers?

 

[CrackerJax]

Babs.... a completely blank slate.

if only...

 

[PadawanBater]

So none of those in the scientific/educational field are religous and/or believers?

Of course they are.

Just like how atheists/secular people donate time/money... That's the point. With that previous post of yours you put believers above secular people on the morality scale. I'm pretty sure you don't actually believe that, right? - atheists/secular people are immoral?

Another minor point was that none of the contributions I listed were the result of any religious influence.

If you want religious influences, look towards the battlefield.

 

[CrackerJax]

I've lived my entire adult life as an atheist. never committed a crime, never cheated anyone, never harmed anyone in any fashion.

What's holding me together?

It sure isn't religion.

 

[Babs34]

"simple"...your charming wit.

 

[CrackerJax]

Translation: checkmate.... thanks for playing.

As usual, you have no answer.

 

[Babs34]

Translation: checkmate.... thanks for playing.

As usual, you have no answer.

there was a question?
..try harder, I don't play.

 

[Babs34]

Of course they are.

Just like how atheists/secular people donate time/money... That's the point. With that previous post of yours you put believers above secular people on the morality scale. I'm pretty sure you don't actually believe that, right? - atheists/secular people are immoral?

Another minor point was that none of the contributions I listed were the result of any religious influence.

If you want religious influences, look towards the battlefield.

Just showing some statistics P.
I can't see why it offends you that "the church" isn't being tax'd.
Church's provide services that save people's lives....not referring to "being saved."

..interesting how my last valid point has been dodged. (pats CJ on the head...good boy)
.

 

[shnkrmn]

We weren't really talking about charity, babs. The church had its hand in the government till to the tune of 20 mil a year for foster child services. That's not charity, it's business. Charity is when you take money from YOUR pocket not someone else's.

Charity differences between religious and secular people persist if we look at the actual amounts of donations and volunteering. Indeed, measures of the dollars given and occasions volunteered per year produce a yawning gap between the groups. The average annual giving among the religious is $2,210, whereas it is $642 among the secular. Similarly, religious people volunteer an average of 12 times per year, while secular people volunteer an average of 5.8 times. To put this into perspective, religious people are 33 percent of the population but make 52 percent of donations and 45 percent of times volunteered. Secular people are 26 percent of the population but contribute 13 percent of the dollars and 17 percent of the times volunteered.
http://www.hoover.org/publications/policyreview/3447051.html

 

[CrackerJax]

The ONLY reason the church does any charity at all is because it is tax free and it works into the cult recruitment of the desperate (hungry).

That's the school of fish the church tries to net.... the desperate.

Babs...try and pay attention.

 

[afrawfraw]

We weren't really talking about charity, babs. The church had its hand in the government till to the tune of 20 mil a year for foster child services. That's not charity, it's business. Charity is when you take money from YOUR pocket not someone else's.

The ONLY reason the church does any charity at all is because it is tax free and it works into the cult recruitment of the desperate (hungry).

That's the school of fish the church tries to net.... the desperate.

Babs...try and pay attention.

That's funny, because I volunteer, and no one comes over to me and says, "Excuse me sir, but are you volunteering? Oh, I see. And do you believe in GOD? No? I see. So are you Agnostic, or an Atheist. Thank you for the information kind stranger!"

Does this happen to you guys?
Am I being left out, AGAIN?

 

[afrawfraw]

That's funny, because I volunteer, and no one comes over to me and says, "Excuse me sir, but are you volunteering? Oh, I see. And do you believe in GOD? No? I see. So are you Agnostic, or an Atheist. Thank you for the information kind stranger!"

Does this happen to you guys?
Am I being left out, AGAIN?

And when I donate...No one calls...WHAT THE HELL???

 

[CrackerJax]

Yes, you are being left out....

Bet you didn't get the secret Bible decoder ring either.