Outlaw pot growers in California fear legalization

captiankush

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i know i'll vote no. keep it underground. keep the risk in it and you keep the profits higher. this gets to wide spread weed will be the new tabacco big guys will buy all the land in nor-cal and put most of the growers out of work. some will make it but how about the others that don't know any thing but growing and selling weed? alot would move on to sell real drugs or worse have to go to work for the corporate assholes that shut them down
Thats ridiculous...First, IF big business gets involved (A BIG IF)it would take them atleast5 years to get anywhere close to the perfected systems many growers have, and like I pointed out, there will be a market for connoisseur grade cannabis, a market for names that are already well known like "pineapple kush". Those that are known for quality now will only become more well known and gain more business once legalized.

You make the point that big business will come and buy up all the land in Humboldt..well, someone owns it now right? Isnt it the landowners option to sell or not? Humboldt can keep big business out by not selling their land to them. Pretty simple.

And if someone only knows growing and selling weed then he should be able to make the transition easily. Its the money grubber, fly by night, just grow as much weed as possible and to hell with the quality people who will have to find another source of income and that ain't a bad thing.

Legalization will make the cream rise to the top and the fakers and money hungry whores find another business.

Those that stay will stay for the passion, because they love this wondrous plant and those that do will find much success.


CK
 

mr.smileyface

Well-Known Member
It will never happen. Unless all the other states legalize it. By legalizing it in cali alone, Too much other marijuana will be smuggled to the rest of northamerica.
 

sm0keyrich510

Active Member
call me crazy but i wont vote for its legalization.

granted there are many benefits (potentially) but there are many more ways we the people can be fucked.



if such a measure is passed where you must be 21 years old and you're legally able to posses and ounce of weed and 25 sq ft growing area on your property it will be a big problem right off the bat. on one hand it will make it easier for growers to sell (they can sell to ANYONE and theres a lot more people in the state that smoke MJ than the ones with prop 215 cards). on the OTHER hand MANY people will try to grow their own weed and sell it. its going to happen.

this can cause problems...people looking strictly for profits may feed the plants unhealthy chemicals to make it grow quickly...they may not know what they are doing (or not care) and sell weed with mold in it...pretty much the prohibition of alcohol in the 20's...just of the new century...instead of people going blind from poorly made booze in tubs they will smoke potentially dangerous weed.

lots of people can become sick from careless people selling weed.

so then that would be the grounds to push to regulate marijuana further....so its safer...


so then what? it becomes more of a "business" and companies will pop up and take the money out of the hands of the people who fought so hard for it (like you and me)...

the government will get their dirty hands all in the profits of selling marijuana...

what will the average person get? nothing. just the ability to buy and grow weed.


why would i vote on something like this that will take business away from the hardest working pot growers in cali (who are actually good people that deserve to see money for their work) and give it to the government who isnt worth a pot to piss in to begin with.



Vote no...keep it the way it is...all you have to do now is get a card...there are places that practically give them if you just say, "i get migranes" guess some people are too stupid to figure that out.

legalization LOOKS like a good idea but in reality it will be just the beginning of giving up everything to the government and big business.

only pot growers that will survive will either have the best shit or the best prices...probably a combination of both. you have to be able to produce better than the commercial business that will pop up down the line...and for now (if it passed in november) you'd have to deal with every amateurs poorly grown weed being advertised everywhere (ie craigslist etc).

keep it local people...



granted their are benefits to being the first legal state (there is a possibility for cali growers to be exporters...that could be very profitable but much harder to accomplish) its just not worth letting the state in on and eventually take over what everyone has worked hard on.
 

stupidclown

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legalization LOOKS like a good idea but in reality it will be just the beginning of giving up everything to the government and big business.

only pot growers that will survive will either have the best shit or the best prices...probably a combination of both. you have to be able to produce better than the commercial business that will pop up down the line...and for now (if it passed in november) you'd have to deal with every amateurs poorly grown weed being advertised everywhere (ie craigslist etc).

keep it local people...



granted their are benefits to being the first legal state (there is a possibility for cali growers to be exporters...that could be very profitable but much harder to accomplish) its just not worth letting the state in on and eventually take over what everyone has worked hard on.
for sure. the big walmart types won't get in the biz until its legal nation wide. but its only a matter of time. california made medical mj legal then other states followed. so if it doesn't pass here it won't spread. keep in mind when you buy "micro brews" they are mostly owned by big beer companys. so even if you have the best weed the big guys have the money to shut you down and buy your product name and most people would never know they where buying walmart weed.
 

stupidclown

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p.s. selling is still going to be illegal so will smoking in public and having more than 1 oz on you

if you want to vote for legalization look at JACK HERER CANNABIS HEMP INITIATIVE at ca.gov

the initaitive lee is pushing is not a win for legalization it our terms of surrender. People will be happy with what little lee's bill gives them and the push from the common people for real legalization will die.
 

10jed

Active Member
Tough shit... the only reason MJ is expensive is because it is illegal and the growers and dealers risk going to prison. It is not expensive to produce. They will have to attempt to be a legit business and pay taxes on their income just like anyone else. if not then plenty of people will step up and do just that. Even if only selling wholesale for $100 a zip, a business owner and a few part timers could make a good living with a nice streamlined, 100LB per year op. Just not "new Ferrari" nice. Just wait untill they have to deal with all the pollen from nearby hemp farms and the Marlboro scwag plantation. Hey, they might even have to grow on their own land too!

Jed
 

FastLane

Active Member
Good God! I can't believe you guys would vote against legalizing. I can understand your position that profits are a huge concern of yours, value has always be associated with this "legal tender". But if you had to sit out a year of your life in jail for herb, you would be able to understand my position. Please, I'm begging you, I'm BEGGING you, vote to legalize!
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Good God! I can't believe you guys would vote against legalizing. I can understand your position that profits are a huge concern of yours, value has always be associated with this "legal tender". But if you had to sit out a year of your life in jail for herb, you would be able to understand my position. Please, I'm begging you, I'm BEGGING you, vote to legalize!
Because, believe it or not.... like in all groups....some growers are just greedy.

I grow weed. I never sell it. I do GIVE IT away to my friends. If we all treated weed like your Uncles backyard tomatoes, who gives you some when you visit, we wouldn't have all the trouble from LEO.

The greedy ones ruin it for all.
 

MrBlanco

Active Member
I really can't believe the greed of some people. They want people to sit in prison so they can make a profit. I've always thought that the price of good weed was too high and even more now I'm growing.
 

max420thc

Well-Known Member
i always said if government were serious about the drug problem and wanted to do away with it. what they would do is legalize it then regulate it and tax it out of business like it does other business's .
 

mjisgood21

Well-Known Member
Im sick of hearing smokers voting no.Heres how I see it.
Pros:
You can smoke & have a oz(not alot,but cmon!).
You can grow a 25sq ft garden youreself tax free.
You wont risk going to jail anymore.
Cons:
If youre a dealer thats afraid to get a job,you either need to find one,or start sellin yayo lol.

Come on dont be a wuss geting a job like regular citizens & the people that buy off you.I think alot of growers are going to vote no,just for that reason.But guess what?Buyers outnumber dealers!
 
decriminalization rather than legalization? this is such a tough one. on the one hand watching out for big boy corporations looking to milk the slaves in new ways, and, maintaining an income for people who sell their pot. hummm ...

maybe keep it illegal to sell pot (keep the big boy out). but make it legal to sell premium seeds, cutting etc (jobs for the cali crew)?

make it legal to smoke, eat or absorb pot anyway you like. please feel free to let me know if you think i'm taking shit and most importantly ... why.

last note ... and it's a bit pessie ... whatever good the gov seems to give us, it somehow manages to take something so precious in return. liberty went years ago?
 

10jed

Active Member
As soon as it went from hippies growing in the mountains and selling by the lid for $100, to mafia, cartels, and thugs, the dream of decriminalization was no longer possible. Most of us who run personal grows are doing it to specifically avoid all of that, and get the quality/variety we want. As much as I like the thought of treating weed like any other plant you would grow in your garden, that just won't ever happen. It is either going to be legalized and regulated or left as it is. Decriminalization would just make the criminal element kick it up a notch in terms of maintaining territories and overall violence. When I say criminal element I don't mean the growers... the commercial growers for the most part are the ones who do in fact get screwed on this deal, but that is what it is. If you sold your own product by the sack there wouldn't be the organized criminal market in the loop and the world would be looking at this differently. I'm sure some do sell there own, but the major suppliers sell in bulk.

From the standpoint of Cali, I'm not sure how all of this will shake out. Being from the Midwest, I see things here and have a good opinion on how legalization would shake out on a national scale. If the prop in Cali passes, it will be a test run for the whole country and a MAJOR step toward national (and then soon global) legalization.

Right now Cali has the ability to maintain it's own usage which is different than most parts of the country. To take all the current growers and legitimize them won't happen because of the security lengths that have been forced upon the growers throughout prohibition. You won't be able to run 4K watts in your basement, you wont be able to bypass your electric meter, you won't be able to grow on state forest land, and (presumably) eventually you will be forced to label your product with approximate thc levels, type of effect, and duration of onset of the effect so that people know what they are buying. Outdoor growers will constantly be worrying about being downwind from hemp or competitions pollen and it will turn into an indoor or greenhouse growing market.

I agree with the article posted that there will be huge tourist appeal... it will be Amsterdam all over again. To compare it to the Napa Valley wine country is not even close. The Mendocino area will be crawling with people looking to sample the worlds finest. There will be money to be made, it will just be through legal avenues like shops, hotels, restaurants and all the general businesses that are around to support tourism and permanent population. Land prices will go up so current land owners will have something of great value that they can either sell or borrow against to start a business of their own.

From the standpoint of commercial entities getting in on the game, I am sure there will be many. You can count on the Marlboro brand of weed, but don't think it will be easy on them! As stated earlier it will take them a while to get up and rolling but they will employ local people with experience growing to get them started. Just think of all the jobs that will be available in and around as well as a result of the new cannabusiness!! There will be a need for agricultural machines that can do the work of harvesting, and deseeding and then rolling if they do a prerolled thing. Current commercial rolling machines used for rolling cigs are not capable of dealing with the resins of weed, so prerolleds will either be low resin varieties or mixed with tobacco. I guess what I'm saying is that the current growers who are able to modify their ops to whatever regulations are imposed and can streamline things to maximize profits are going to do fine, and I personally wish them the best of luck. those who won't be able to fit into the regulated system will be able to find work in or around the industry. If I were they I would start looking at warehouses capable of indoor production and ideal land tracts if anything is actually available. Shit, even just an acre of land could produce quite a bit of product if you didn't have to hide it from Johny Law!

Regardless of how it shakes out it will be interesting to see it unfold. The times they are a changin...

Jed
 

CrackerJax

New Member
I can tell you with a certainty since I knew someone on the inside....back in the 70's weed came VERY CLOSE to being legalized....and the tobacco companies were all rigged up and ready to go. Labels were already designed....just kept under wraps.

They are prepared now for the OPPORTUNITY to expand their customer base.
 
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