What Is Stealth?? Seedbank Practices Discussed

bigv1976

bigv1976

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Ok its the big question, Should I get the stealth option? Of course not people!!!

How do you figure that a package with a bulky t-shirt, mug or ,holy shit, a backpack that is sure to go through a customs check due to its size and weight is more stealth that a plain envelope that goes through a post office with milions of others just like it? Enough said I think.

Then you have to figure that the seedbank is making out and they are lying to you in order to profit. Have you ever noticed that some seedbanks (ie. Seed Boutique & Speedy) dont even offer "stealth" shipping yet they have a great customer base? These seedbanks who are offering you the "stealth" option tell you it's the best option and then you have pay another $10 for the lame item they wrap it in. Let's look at it realisticly. You can buy a $50 pack of seeds at any seedbank. At 1 bank you can $13 for shipping plus another $10 for "stealth" for a grand total of $73. $14+ per seed. At another bank you pay $8 flat rate for grand total of $58. $11+ per seed. And I only have to figure that based on my opinion above I am more likely or at least as likely to receive my beans as the $23 option from the other guy. And bank B has maybe never had a breach of CC security or been busted selling fake beans.

I dont know tell me what you think!!!
 
trystick

trystick

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bigv1976 said:
Ok its the big question, Should I get the stealth option? Of course not people!!!

How do you figure that a package with a bulky t-shirt, mug or ,holy shit, a backpack that is sure to go through a customs check due to its size and weight is more stealth that a plain envelope that goes through a post office with milions of others just like it? Enough said I think.

Then you have to figure that the seedbank is making out and they are lying to you in order to profit. Have you ever noticed that some seedbanks (ie. Seed Boutique & Speedy) dont even offer "stealth" shipping yet they have a great customer base?
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Yea, no one is responding cuz its a very touchy issue here. Attitude has had alot of credit cards get jacked lately. Everyone knows by now that Dr chronic has problems getting your seeds to you. And lately Nirvana has had some real problems. Even if they did, the Netherlands is known to supply 80% of the worlds extacy, hold much of Europe's mafia, trafffic in every known hard drug in quantity and be extremely lenient on organized theft, so the US would be crazy to allow any mail at all from there to come in without opening, searching. The netherlands do not produce any consumer goods of any real nature (most backpacks, teashirts etc.. come from China) even if you buy from a Dutch company. So unless it a perfectly flat letter they will and do open and seize. But really I am sure some seed companies dont even bother to send knowing that it will just get snatched at customs then their own govt gets harassed by the US customs over so much contraband.

You must know by now that offering up seeds at a average order of $100 can be very lucrative if you have alot of blind followers. Whos gonna complain when they dont get their shit. The money is too good and the suckers are too plentful to let boarder seizure stop you from continuing to take orders and show pretty pictures on your website..

Why do you think so many people rave about clones. Cuz if you ever get lucky enough to get your seeds you damn well better keep the rotation cuz you may never get another pack.

Really the best idea is just to:

1) If you live in the US fly to Toronto or Vancouver and just buy the seeds in a smoke shop.
2) If you live in Europe just fly to Holland and buy the seeds in a smoke shop.
3) If you live somewhere in Asia just fly to Cambodia (any of the backpackers spots) and buy a few bags to smoke til you get 20-30 seeds.
4) Australia/New Zealand, (Ausies are always traveling anyway, they buy their beans everywhere).
 
KlosetKing

KlosetKing

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hmm first ive heard of people complaing about both Dr. Chronic and Nirvana in the same thread..... as for setealth, it was a flat 8 bucks for me, dunno even what its packed with (this is Nirvana btw).

many many people on this site will tell you that they order through Dr C, Nirvana, and hell some even STILL swear by attitude so i dont know man.

as for whether they will rip you off, your right they CAN just not send them, but theres one thing you have to keep in mind and thats word of mouth. these companies can only do well if they have a good online reputation its not like they can make tv commercials for us. so if they want to make any money they rely on customer satisfaction and word of mouth couple with hopefully decent shipping.

i hear lots of people say anytime they had a problem with nirvana, they told them, got a reshipment, and often times got some freebie seeds with em. no iam not a spokesperson lol iam just sayin. I personally have a pack of 5 Fem'd Black Jack beans on the way, ill be sure to post when they come in (got an email on wed sayin it was shipped, hopin it will be here by the following wed).
 
rzza

rzza

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how can you get banned for dicussing such an important topic? thats retarded. and i have NEVER heard of attitude or nirvana not sending out an order. this whole post is nonsense. i have now ordered five times in the past 2 years and i have recieved every order, in good timing. the reason people rave about clones is NOT because seedbanks do not ship your order. if anyone gets banned it should be you sir for dishing out bad information. i wish i could neg rep your ass.

now onto the OP. i agree with you except i have heard of the non stealth method getting picked up at customs. they dont put your seeds in a cotton ball like they should do, instead they put em in a cd case and that isnt a plain white envelope like millions of others in the post office. i think they can put a bunch of seeds in a cotton ball and wrap in in thin cardboard like their breeder packs and ship it in a plain white envelope.
 
bigv1976

bigv1976

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Well I am not sure which bad info you refer to and why is this post nonsense? Read around dude. I cannot speak of Nirvana as I have never ordered from them but I can speak of what I know and what I know is that many people are very concerned about there CC info as Attitude sent the e-mail themselves warning of a comprimise and I also know that DJ Short himself busted them for selling fake beans. I also know that Seed Boutique has never once failed me in 5 orders and I also know that Speedy is on here every day and people speak very highly of him. So if my concern that my fellow hobbists are getting burned by a seedbank (public knowledge) is nonsense then move on and dont read my posts bro. Keep ordering from Attitude and keep hoping they dont send you fake beans after draining your credit card. I will keep using more reputable bank. People spoke very highly of Bernie Madoff too remember? How did that work out for them?
 
suprablaski

suprablaski

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/shrug ive ordered fro mattitude, got my seeds in less then a week, used stealth shipping, nothing happened with my card. at the end of the day what you read on the net is on the net, and what you experience is reality. when i reorder ill prolly use attitude again. ive had least 4 local businesses send out letters to customers that people online hacked their shit and ripped off CC info, so you can go to a bar and drink and get your credit ripped off just as easily, that dont mean its attitudes fault. and yeah getting called out on the fake seeds was shitty, bad call attitude. not hard to tell if autoflowers work or not though lmao
 
KaleoXxX

KaleoXxX

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people who are getting their credit cards burnt out arent getting ripped off by the bank. eiter the website or the persons computer, is being hacked and the information is being stolen from there
 
bigv1976

bigv1976

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Yeah I hear ya. I got shot 5 times and lived but you can bet your ass I wont be going back to that house. Do what you want all I am saying is people need to stop being so ignorant. A chain is only as strong as the weakest link and there is alot of weak links in Attitudes chain. Keep ordering from them. I dont care. Keep sending your money over seas to a company that HAS and most likely WILL continue to rip people off. Dont look into any other banks. Keep paying $23 to have a gram of seeds shipped in a bulky "stealth" package and hope for the best. Good luck to you all. Attitude rocks. You reading this Speedy? HAHAHA!!!
 
IAm5toned

IAm5toned

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ive used quite a few banks in the past.
speedy is the best, imho.
dude is just trying to feed his family, and run a straight up business, and it shows in his customer service.
attitude, nirvana, and single seecs have fucked me in the past, it was non shipment, non-viable product, and seizure by customs, respectively.
neither of those 3 banks did a damn thing about it, except attitude, which 'offered to send extra freebies' on my next order.... lol like i would order again from them. idiots.
my first buy through speedy got seized, and when i informed him, 9 days later i got an envelope with my complete order, and an extra breeders pack (10 seeds now, not a lil baggie with 3 mystery seeds in it) 9 days later. thats not too shabby for crossing the atlantic, and half of north america to get to me.

and for the record, im not pimping speedyseedz. i paid for my shit, but he's a straight up guy, least i can do is spread the word he took care of my order the way you would expect.
so thats my opinion on banks... take it or leave it, i dont care.
 
Thomas Paine

Thomas Paine

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There is no such thing as stealth shipping. However, if it makes you feel more secure, then by all means use your credit card and spend the extra $$ . :rolleyes:
 
trystick

trystick

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bigv1976 said:
I also know that Seed Boutique has never once failed me in 5 orders and I also know that Speedy is on here every day and people speak very highly of him. So if my concern that my fellow hobbists are getting burned by a seedbank (public knowledge) is nonsense then move on and dont read my posts bro.
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So what we have here is a real thread about seed banks and very recent info about what is real. Thats what this forum should be about. Sharing whats real, not hyping a business. There are a lot of seed banks. If you see certain people here constantly hyping one company thats not real info thats just drumming up business for a site (maybe even for commission).

No secret that attitude has had cards get jacked. if you are still hyping attitude then you are a paid shill!

No secret that doc has had many problems...read mane's thread.

My info about Nirvana comes from my 3 recent attempts a buying seed both paying for stealth and just ordering regular mail. No seeds, no customs letter, nothing.

bigv talks about seed boutique coming through recently so i would not necessitate to try that bank right now. Speedy has also had his quality and reputation backed very recently on many threads so I would not hesitate to order through Speedy as well!

These things seem to happen in phases. Sometimes narvania and attitude have there shit down right and everyone is happy. Sometimes there is problems. So we talk about our experiences, center on the ones that have their act together CURRENTLY and use them. If attitude, doc or nirvana wants our business they will eventually rectify the problems but right now I think the people have spoken!

*Currently probably means within the last 3 months or so.
 
J

Jatan

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Ordered from Nirvana couple of weeks ago and got seeds. Ordered from Speedy and got seeds as well. Speedy has the best customer service I've experienced in a long time.
 
trystick

trystick

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homebrewer said:
Nirvana delivers.
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Yea homebrew I am looking at your recent posts over at the "Advanced Nutrients Has Class" thread. You seem to very much like to snipe and goat posters on this board. You very much like to counter anything you read whether you are knowledgeable about the topic or not.
https://www.rollitup.org/search.php?searchid=7096294

Plus, I think you may be a shill for Nirvana https://www.rollitup.org/seedbank-reviews/313493-nirvana-seeds.html#post4015423
:spew:
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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trystick said:
Yea homebrew I am looking at your recent posts over at the "Advanced Nutrients Has Class" thread. You seem to very much like to snipe and goat posters on this board. You very much like to counter anything you read whether you are knowledgeable about the topic or not.
https://www.rollitup.org/search.php?searchid=7096294

Plus, I think you may be a shill for Nirvana https://www.rollitup.org/seedbank-reviews/313493-nirvana-seeds.html#post4015423
:spew:
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I have no tolerance for immaturity and unwarranted disrespectful posts, if that's what you're referring to.

In regards to Nirvana, he's been around since the Overgrow.com days when he had seedsDirect.nl. He now has seedsboutique which is basically the same site with better customer service. I personally know of 10+ orders in total that have been ordered AND received by both sites. Your theory of rip-offs as part of a seed-shop's business plan is bogus. These companies stand to make A LOT more money taking care of their customers than ripping them off. In addition, word travels fast in these forums and a shop could not continue to operate as a scam for very long.

But we all have our experiences and whether it's positive or negative, we should inform one another about it, no?
 
speedyseedz

speedyseedz

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homebrewer said:
I have no tolerance for immaturity and unwarranted disrespectful posts, if that's what you're referring to.

In regards to Nirvana, he's been around since the Overgrow.com days when he had seedsDirect.nl. He now has seedsboutique which is basically the same site with better customer service. I personally know of 10+ orders in total that have been ordered AND received by both sites. Your theory of rip-offs as part of a seed-shop's business plan is bogus. These companies stand to make A LOT more money taking care of their customers than ripping them off. In addition, word travels fast in these forums and a shop could not continue to operate as a scam for very long.

But we all have our experiences and whether it's positive or negative, we should inform one another about it, no?
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just for clairficatoin, nirvana and seedboutique have no relation, seperate companies.

seedboutique and icmag, yes, thats the same people.
 
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