What Is Stealth?? Seedbank Practices Discussed

sonar

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Wow! 1 whole freebie? Seed Boutique sent me 16 and I have read that Speedy gives a handsome freebie package. Hey how much was your total shipping cost with the DVD case? Probably around $15? $15 to ship a few seeds? Good deal!!!

I wasn't trying to sound like the poster boy for Attitude or anything, just saying I got what I ordered, plus a free fem seed they promised. They didn't HAVE to send me anything for free. Plus I used the 420 discount code and got an extra 10% off.

The DVD case was like $2.50 which they said wasn't meant for stealth, just to protect the seeds from getting crushed. And believe me there was NOTHING stealth about it, haha, there were just sitting in there. I think total shipping (with DVD) came to like $11.
 

homebrewer

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I wasn't trying to sound like the poster boy for Attitude or anything, just saying I got what I ordered, plus a free fem seed they promised. They didn't HAVE to send me anything for free. Plus I used the 420 discount code and got an extra 10% off.

The DVD case was like $2.50 which they said wasn't meant for stealth, just to protect the seeds from getting crushed. And believe me there was NOTHING stealth about it, haha, there were just sitting in there. I think total shipping (with DVD) came to like $11.
Yeah, back in the day, Gypsy used to hide the seeds in a CD gem case. They were hidden between the layers of plastic within the case. It was super stealth. $5 if I remember correctly.
 

ddwall

Active Member
My experience with ordering seeds is very limited but I have ordered twice now from attitude first time it took 7 days last timereceived an order this week took 8 days I have no complaints about the attitude. but i am going to check out speedy and see want he has.
 

GreenGame

Member
FIrst rule of seedbank stealth: DON'T TALK ABOUT SEEDBANK STEALTH
Second rule of seedbank stealth: DON'T TALK ABOUT SEEDBANK STEALTH
 

tom__420

Well-Known Member
Yeah, back in the day, Gypsy used to hide the seeds in a CD gem case. They were hidden between the layers of plastic within the case. It was super stealth. $5 if I remember correctly.

It isn't super stealth now that you are telling people about it
You should never discuss how companies send the seeds
 

homebrewer

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It isn't super stealth now that you are telling people about it
You should never discuss how companies send the seeds
Do you really think it makes any difference at all? Now customs will have their eye on all CDs, DVDs, Coffee mugs and T-shitrs that come into the country, right? :roll:
 

trystick

Active Member
FIrst rule of seedbank stealth: DON'T TALK ABOUT SEEDBANK STEALTH
Second rule of seedbank stealth: DON'T TALK ABOUT SEEDBANK STEALTH
Good post here...this probably should be a sticky in the 101 already asked questions and at the top of seed bank section.
 

sonar

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FIrst rule of seedbank stealth: DON'T TALK ABOUT SEEDBANK STEALTH
Second rule of seedbank stealth: DON'T TALK ABOUT SEEDBANK STEALTH

Yes I totally agree. But since I didn't get stealth shipping I figured I'd mention it in case anyone was wondering what the DVD case option was for. Honestly, with the amount of international mail coming into the country I think you would have to be pretty unlucky to get caught. There is no way customs has the time, money, or manpower to open and search every single package coming into the country. Especially small, letter sized ones. Thats why they say if you are going to get a large order break it up into smaller orders. that way 1) the packages are smaller which are less suspicious and 2) if they would get seized you don't lose it all. Customs has more important things to do like look for explosives, weapons, large quantities of drugs, anthrax, etc.
 

growone

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i like the thread, this topic pops up pretty regular, but it's a great gauge for how good the recent seed shipping is
last year i did 4 orders in the envelope size, not much stealth going on other than the huge number of letters in the mails
got all 4 in excellent condition, all cash orders to boot, just sent cash in priority mail
it's pretty amazing how well this system works, all things considered
 

sonar

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i like the thread, this topic pops up pretty regular, but it's a great gauge for how good the recent seed shipping is
last year i did 4 orders in the envelope size, not much stealth going on other than the huge number of letters in the mails
got all 4 in excellent condition, all cash orders to boot, just sent cash in priority mail
it's pretty amazing how well this system works, all things considered
Yup, keeps them honest. I would imagine the popular banks (attitude, nirvana, speedy, etc) check these sites. They know we are talking about them. If too many ppl start complaining then they know they gotta get their act together.
 

bigv1976

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Attitude doesnt give a shit. They know the brainwashed dick riders on here will order from them even after they get ripped off. Hey did you hear if you get stealth and customs takes your beans Attitude will send new ones? LMFAO Good luck with that dick riders!!!!
 

bigv1976

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I would probably steer clear of ordering from the Netherlands. I believe you have a better chance of customs getting your seeds.
 

growone

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i have also avoided the Netherlands seed banks, just seemed a bit more suspicious
uk and canada so far, and no problems
from the posts i see, nirvana does seem to do pretty well on delivery
 

trystick

Active Member
bigv its a good thread. Thanks for starting it!

But many people on the forum are new and don't really know until they read threads and order for themselves. Yes, there is a bit of a brain wash syndrome about the "most popular"seed banks and a bit of naivety regarding following each other into buying with the hyped banks. But I wouldn't be too tough on them. They learn from reading threads like this one. We all learn from each other here.

I keep reading about the fact that there is hundreds of thousands of pieces of mail flowing into the US and that's why it is hard to intercept the seeds that we order. I fully understand that and I realize that there is LOTS of mail flowing into the US.

But my post earlier in this thread was more about Holland than anything. Yes, there are lots of letters flowing in... BUT, I fully believe that its pretty easy for the post to pin-point letters from certain countries (lets say Holland) probably by scanning post marks in high volume sorting centers (New York) and then redirecting them to an area where they are opened for contraband. Now, normally they could only take a percentage of mail because of the large scale of mail flowing, but in the case of Holland its a very small country (bout the size of Delaware) and I bet the scale of mail coming from there to US is really not that big. So, my guess is they can redirect all mail from there and probably open all of it if they wanted to. And as I said in my early post, Holland is very tolerant and thus has developed all sorts of felonious shit (Ecstasy and LSD manufacture on large scale, trafficking in narcotics of all forms, child porn, DVD and CD piracy, legal prostitution, moving money from illegal activities, Mafia activities). When you add all of this up, I would think the US probably would intercept most everything except purely flat letters. And the purely flat letters probably go through sorters that would crush seeds.

We were talking about using a T-Shirt or Cap as an improved hiding strategy. And what I was saying in that earlier post is that Holland is not known for selling apparel or logo branded stuff. In the case of France, I would think all sorts of Americans order stuff like that (hell, Louis Vuitton & Coco Chanel alone) and it comes into New York with such frequency that the US really can't open it all. But Holland is not known for apparel so if a shirt or cap would come through (even in a plain package) it probably would raise even more suspicion. A CD case would cause piracy concerns so it would also probably be opened (not all, but much of it I would think).

I mentioned just flying to where you can buy the beans but now that this thread has developed I see that ordering from a seed bank not in Holland is the way to go. And that is how I will roll from here on out. I do thank everyone for adding to his thread for I would still be pissed and wondering what to do if not for the posters here. This whole forum is way cool. I learn so much stuff on here!

Stick
 

homebrewer

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Holland is very tolerant and thus has developed all sorts of felonious shit (Ecstasy and LSD manufacture on large scale, trafficking in narcotics of all forms, child porn, DVD and CD piracy, legal prostitution, moving money from illegal activities, Mafia activities). When you add all of this up, I would think the US probably would intercept most everything except purely flat letters. And the purely flat letters probably go through sorters that would crush seeds.

We were talking about ordering a T-Shirt or Cap as an improved hiding strategy. And what I was saying in that earlier post is that Holland is not known for selling apparel or logo branded stuff. In the case of France, I would think all sorts of Americans order stuff like that from there and it comes into New York with such frequency that the US really can't open it all. But Holland is not known for apparel so if a shirt or cap would come through it probably would raise even more suspicion. A CD case would cause piracy concerns so it would also probably be opened (not all, but much of it I would think).



Stick
With all-due-respect, I think there is a little 'tinfoil hat' thinking here. It almost sounds as if you've formed your opinion on what goes on there through the eyes of a naive tourist. Looking at the facts, the Netherlands had $397.6 billion in exports in 2009 which ranks 7th in the world. Their largest exports were machinery and equipment, chemicals, fuels and foodstuffs. Their GDP in 2009 was $655 billion which ranks in the top 20 for the world. The Netherlands' economy is heavily dependent on trade and they play an important role as a European transportation hub. The country has been one of the leading European nations for attracting foreign direct investment and is one of the four largest investors in the US.

I'd suggest selecting a seedbank based on positive reviews regardless of where they may be located. We should also steer clear of uninformed ramblings such as the one quoted above, no offense.
 

growone

Well-Known Member
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But my post earlier in this thread was more about Holland than anything. Yes, there are lots of letters flowing in... BUT, I fully believe that its pretty easy for the post to pin-point letters from certain countries (lets say Holland) probably by scanning post marks in high volume sorting centers (New York) and then redirecting them to an area where they are opened for contraband. Now, normally they could only take a percentage of mail because of the large scale of mail flowing, but in the case of Holland its a very small country (bout the size of Delaware) and I bet the scale of mail coming from there to US is really not that big. So, my guess is they can redirect all mail from there and probably open all of it if they wanted to. And as I said in my early post, Holland is very tolerant and thus has developed all sorts of felonious shit (Ecstasy and LSD manufacture on large scale, trafficking in narcotics of all forms, child porn, DVD and CD piracy, legal prostitution, moving money from illegal activities, Mafia activities). When you add all of this up, I would think the US probably would intercept most everything except purely flat letters. And the purely flat letters probably go through sorters that would crush seeds.<br />
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We were talking about using a T-Shirt or Cap as an improved hiding strategy. And what I was saying in that earlier post is that Holland is not known for selling apparel or logo branded stuff. In the case of France, I would think all sorts of Americans order stuff like that (hell, Louis Vuitton &amp; Coco Chanel alone) and it comes into New York with such frequency that the US really can't open it all. But Holland is not known for apparel so if a shirt or cap would come through (even in an low key package) it probably would raise even more suspicion. A CD case would cause piracy concerns so it would also probably be opened (not all, but much of it I would think).<br />
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I mentioned just flying to where you can buy the beans but now that this thread has developed I see that ordering from a seed bank not in Holland is the way to go. And that is how I will roll from here on out. I do thank everyone for adding to his thread for I would still be pissed and wondering what to do if not for the posters here. This whole forum is way cool. I learn so much stuff on here!<br />
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Stick
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no argument with avoiding the Holland shops, it's just so easy to choose others because there are so many
but from what i've seen on delivery posts, the Dutch shops seem to get though just as regular as from other countries
and separating out mail could be done, i've seen a few 'insider' posts that say this is actually difficult
but you gotta think if customs wanted to make this a priority, they could
seeds just seem to be a real low priority, my guess is they confiscate a few just to keep some statistics on seed volume
 

trystick

Active Member
Homebrewer ...

I was wondering when you were going take snipes at me after our last encounter. I know it must be hard for a "know it all" to accept criticism but for you I will make a special exception. First off, I have never been a tourist in Holland. I did live there for 5 years though. In Amstelveen. In fact I was working with a huge Dutch company that does ALOT of exporting (Philips) which falls uder the category of machine and equipment . And our building was near Unilever (falls under the category of foodstuffs) which is a massive Dutch company that exports much of the soap and margin that the US buys. You also mentioned fuels category. That would be Royal Dutch Shell and their gig right now is pulling out crude from dirt poor Nigeria without giving back to the nation through bribs and kickbacks. My point is that they (the Dutch) don't have large exporting apparel companies (which covers our topic of using these items as stealth).

Now, even though Philips and Unilever are Dutch, all of there production and exportation is done in Asia and India. So, yes if you go to Wikipedia and look up Dutch exports (looks like thats what you did) you will see national statistics that show large Dutch export figures. But those numbers represent the dollars that Philips and Unilever take in from the offshore production and exportation back into Europe and into the US.

On a more pertinent subject here, your taking exception to my post about Dutch mail getting detained for contraband strikes a nerve. That and the very recent and professional picture of Dutch seed shops you posted here leads me even further to believe that you are shilling big time for a dutch seedbank. Either you are a shill or this is an alias of a seedbank employee or owner. Your quoting (bragging) of Dutch GDP numbers makes your Dutch nationality all too obvious. Living in Holland allowed me to learn about Dutch people and being that they are from such a small country, they have huge inferiority complexes and feel they constantly need to hype and defend Holland.

The Dutch do have a big GDP but much of it is from dealing in heavy vices. Your country probably takes in quite a few billions alone in trafficking in women for prostitution. Then there is the multi billion porn/DVD/music piracy industry:
http://www.slyck.com/story1712_BREIN_Continues_Dutch_AntiPiracy_Mop_up
http://www.lifeisadisease.com/showthread.php?t=193
nu.nl
alt.binaries.nl
Seems like all on-line searches for pirated films, software, music can be hand on Dutch servers. Then there is the offshore of online gambling, tax havens and counterfeiting that comes through the Netherlands Antilles...that must be worth quite a few more tens of billions. Couple that with Philips manufacturing cheap electronics using child labor from Indonesia and Unilever the largest supplier of transfats and largest owner of slash and burn style palm oil plantations...but is the general lawlessness and huge trafficking that causes the US customs to focus so heavily on the mail that originates from Holland .

But me, I am really just a mellow stoner. I tried to live in Holland thinking that the bud and women and beer would be great but anyone who has spent time in Amsterdam around the coffee shops and beer halls (more than just a few week holiday) will tell you the same story (fights, robbery, massive street drug and ripoff scene, lowest forms of prostitution http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=2606). It sounds good from afar and is cool for a week or two vacation but you DO NOT WANT TO LIVE THERE. Its a buzz kill and blew many a nice bud high for me as I am not really into fighting or stealing or screwing Russian women and children from poverty when I am high. And as I said before homebrewer, reading some of your pasts posts https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/297630-advanced-nutrients-has-class-3.html#post4016629 shows you to be somewhat of a buzzkill yourself. That and a seed bank shill:
https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/320119-what-stealth-seedbank-practices-discussed-5.html#post4016534
https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/320868-nirvana-seeds.html#post4023859
https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/320119-what-stealth-seedbank-practices-discussed-4.html#post4017339
https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/320849-seed-boutique.html#post4023846
https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/320399-question-about-ak-47-seeds.html#post4023483
https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/320399-question-about-ak-47-seeds.html#post4020931

Total tolerances of all things has its price. Sorry to have had to do this to you homebrewer but people need to know about this shit!
 
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