legalize or decrimilize

[Johnnyorganic]

You need to learn to compartmentalize. Just because you like doing something and think people ought to have a right to do it, doesn't mean it ought to be held up as an example for all to follow.

If a dietitian enjoys eating cheese cake and pizza, it doesn't mean he should recommend it as part of a proper diet.

Weed can cause significant problems for a lot of people and can be detrimental to society. Sure, some can smoke a bit and it doesn't inter fear with their life, but for others this isn't the case.

I do not want Nazi storm troopers breaking in the doors of law abiding citizens for matters as trivial as weed. But, this point of view does not also mean that I think they should sell 9 kinds of pot at your local 7-11.

Everything in life needs balance and moderation. There needs to be a yin to balance out the yang.

See what I'm saying?

I will not compartmentalize freedom and liberty. Those principles apply across the board.

If an action harms no one, nor infringes on the rights of another individual, it should not be prohibited by the government. Period.

If you disagree with a certain activity, don't engage in it. No one should be so arrogant as to believe they have the authority to dictate to other individuals what activities are appropriate.

You say weed causes problems. For some people this is undoubtedly true. But those are individual consequences.

Have you considered the problems that Prohibition causes? Those consequences affect all of society adversely.

There is absolutely no balance at all under Prohibition. You want balance? Allow everyone the freedom to choose for themselves.

 

[DelSlow]

Legalize it! @Rick If they can make commercials about beer, rum, vodka, etc. then why not bud? It's only fair. Nobody is gonna put a gun to your head and say "smoke this or else". Please don't be a hypocrite...

 

[DelSlow]

And they sell lots of beer at 7 11 in my area...

 

[Cali chronic]

a lot of you have the same feeling towards it as the other, I would say treat it like Alcohol. A limited amount grown (Like I think Aus does it) per house. Like making beer-distilling wine-no open container. keep it in the trunk type attitude. I am never for Govt telling me what I can or cannot do. I think it is ironic almost how what made America great was it's raw un developed potential. Once you put limitations or hindrances on society (another rant) you now governed them and actually taken freedoms away. It should have never even been brought up in the first place but a Politician needed to make a name for himself so on the 11the hour thru a few rec drugs in there to be a hero at his synagaug or church or social bee HARRISON ACT google it. Another thing there has not been a good hit on the radio since they outlawed LSD in 1969 so as far as un motivated or lack luster slacker? No I do not think so. Weed and the Net I am at the Library Buggin on techinical information and learning the equivalent to at least a BA in any subject I tackle.
Can you imagine 100 years ago rol into a bar or roll one at a bar while you are having a snort of whisky or ?? because----wait---- we were building America! Long live America Death to those who want to kill her.

 

[CyberSecks]

guys the fact is is that weed is a drug.
while harmless to some it causes adverse reactions to others, i know a feel ppl who developed anxiety disorders from herb. (those storys are all over the internet as well) if it is enjoyable to you and you can get ahold of it be thankful and happy
also there is no current way to test if someone is high. obviously in some people you can tell but they dont have a breathalizer or anything for pot.
and driving while high would always be a crime. therefore without a way to tell pot will most likely stay illigal or presciption only

 

[Rob Roy]

I will not compartmentalize freedom and liberty. Those principles apply across the board.

If an action harms no one, nor infringes on the rights of another individual, it should not be prohibited by the government. Period.

If you disagree with a certain activity, don't engage in it. No one should be so arrogant as to believe they have the authority to dictate to other individuals what activities are appropriate.

You say weed causes problems. For some people this is undoubtedly true. But those are individual consequences.

Have you considered the problems that Prohibition causes? Those consequences affect all of society adversely.

There is absolutely no balance at all under Prohibition. You want balance? Allow everyone the freedom to choose for themselves.

Thass what I'm talkin' 'bout Willis !

 

[Johnou833]

This might sound dumb but decrimilize and legalize are the same thing..

 

[Thestinker]

I simply wish to know what would be done for all those who have suffered from marijuana convictions wether it be for growing, supply or possesion ?
Would they recieve reperations of some sort? there are countless stories of the goverment breaking up families due to the jailed recipient being unable to fund thier family not to mention the effect on the lives of those who have been held back from thier ambitions because of a conviction etc.

Imo I will never forgive the Man for illegalizing marijuana and anti-marijuana propaganda thats giving it such a bad reputation to the general public. The injustice given to the general potsmoker for possesion angers me in the fact they treat you like any other criminal and I talk from experiance.

 

[jeff f]

guys the fact is is that weed is a drug.
while harmless to some it causes adverse reactions to others, i know a feel ppl who developed anxiety disorders from herb. (those storys are all over the internet as well) if it is enjoyable to you and you can get ahold of it be thankful and happy
also there is no current way to test if someone is high. obviously in some people you can tell but they dont have a breathalizer or anything for pot.
and driving while high would always be a crime. therefore without a way to tell pot will most likely stay illigal or presciption only

mouth swab. look it up. there are also tests they use when you get blood tested for dui. they can tell if you are high at the time. its all over the police blotter in my area

mr xyz was aressted for dui of alcohol and tested positive for marijuana blah blah blah.

 

[RickWhite]

For those who don't get the question -

Decriminalization is what they have in Amsterdam. While it isn't technically legal, cops look the other way and it is generally tolerated. Under this system, people can use weed but kind of need to keep it on the down low and in certain areas (more of a respect thing). You can't be all flagrant about it.

Legalization means that we get all the lawyers and the ACLU involved and everyone argues about whether or not it can be advertised and sold in the open, etc. Another huge, and I mean huge drawback of legalization would be government control. Soon as it is legal, no more growing your own, just like you can not make your own booze. Maybe, it would mean only pharmaceutical companies can manufacture it. At any rate, it would certainly fall under jurisdiction of either the FDA or DOA or both.

I do believe weed should be decriminalized such as in Amsterdam. But, in the interest of maintaining social standards, I would not want to see full legalization.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

For those who don't get the question -

Decriminalization is what they have in Amsterdam. While it isn't technically legal, cops look the other way and it is generally tolerated. Under this system, people can use weed but kind of need to keep it on the down low and in certain areas (more of a respect thing). You can't be all flagrant about it.

Legalization means that we get all the lawyers and the ACLU involved and everyone argues about whether or not it can be advertised and sold in the open, etc. Another huge, and I mean huge drawback of legalization would be government control. Soon as it is legal, no more growing your own, just like you can not make your own booze. Maybe, it would mean only pharmaceutical companies can manufacture it. At any rate, it would certainly fall under jurisdiction of either the FDA or DOA or both.

I do believe weed should be decriminalized such as in Amsterdam. But, in the interest of maintaining social standards, I would not want to see full legalization.

There is no reason why re-legalization should be any different from the re-legalization of alcohol following Prohibition.

Anyone may produce more than enough alcohol (beer, wine, liquor) for personal consumption, provided they do not sell it.

My Dad makes his own wine, but he's no bootlegger.

 

[lvnv]

guys the fact is is that weed is a drug.
while harmless to some it causes adverse reactions to others, i know a feel ppl who developed anxiety disorders from herb. (those storys are all over the internet as well) if it is enjoyable to you and you can get ahold of it be thankful and happy
also there is no current way to test if someone is high. obviously in some people you can tell but they dont have a breathalizer or anything for pot.
and driving while high would always be a crime. therefore without a way to tell pot will most likely stay illigal or presciption only

Think of all of the legal drugs that have adverse affects. Alcohol being an obvious substance that is hugely detrimental to abusers yet widely accepted. Look at prescription drugs. How many people are addicted to drugs approved by the FDA? Those addictions can lead to death or serious health issues, yet you don't see police raids over that bottle of xanax.

I know we have been told all our lives that drugs are bad and should be illegal, but when you hear valid counter arguments it becomes obvious that prohibition never works.

Some of you may see this as extreme, but why not decriminalize all drugs? Seriously. You may not know this but Portugal actually has the most liberal drug policies today, not the Netherlands. Hard-drugs were a huge problem there and they decriminalized everything. Guess what? Drug use has gone down.
The US has some of the harshest drug laws in the world, yet some of the highest (the highest?) numbers of users of "illegal" drugs.

Plain and simple, the government should have no business telling anyone what they can or can't consume. When they do, people who really want to consume will, albeit through your shady neighborhood drug dealer who is probably supporting drug cartels.

The main problem some of you have is believing that prohibition actually works. It doesn't. It just drives drug use underground where criminals can prosper off of it.

 

[undertheice]

Decriminalization is what they have in Amsterdam.

decriminalization comes in all shapes and sizes. here in sunny so cal we have what is claimed as decriminalization, but do you think my babies would be safe if they weren't artfully tucked away? that half-way measure leaves far too much to the discretion of the powers that be and denies the the individual's right to the ownership of his own body. do you really think we can trust our unresponsive, agenda driven representatives to care about anything other than their own desire for control? i can understand the concern for those unable to exercise self-control and the need to protect our children from the obsessions that come so easily to us in our youth, but penalizing responsible adults by using a worst case scenario to determine what is allowable denies liberty for the illusion of security. there is no way to insure everyone's safety short of locking up every man, woman and child in their own softly padded cells and throwing away the keys. that is exactly what the nanny state is attempting to do to us, cushioning every blow and refusing us our necessary injuries and failures. do you really want that sort of security?

 

[DelSlow]

For those who don't get the question -

Decriminalization is what they have in Amsterdam. While it isn't technically legal, cops look the other way and it is generally tolerated. Under this system, people can use weed but kind of need to keep it on the down low and in certain areas (more of a respect thing). You can't be all flagrant about it.

Legalization means that we get all the lawyers and the ACLU involved and everyone argues about whether or not it can be advertised and sold in the open, etc. Another huge, and I mean huge drawback of legalization would be government control. Soon as it is legal, no more growing your own, just like you can not make your own booze. Maybe, it would mean only pharmaceutical companies can manufacture it. At any rate, it would certainly fall under jurisdiction of either the FDA or DOA or both.

I do believe weed should be decriminalized such as in Amsterdam. But, in the interest of maintaining social standards, I would not want to see full legalization.

It's illegal now and I grow my own. If it were legal, I would still grow my own. People who were afraid to grow will now be able to. Med patients can grow now and will still be able to once it's legal. The only people who want it decrim. are either making bank, or are misinformed.

 

[lvnv]

It's illegal now and I grow my own. If it were legal, I would still grow my own. People who were afraid to grow will now be able to. Med patients can grow now and will still be able to once it's legal. The only people who want it decrim. are either making bank, or are misinformed.

Or they understand that prohibition doesn't work...

Everything you just said are points one could make to justify decriminalization. It is illegal now, yet you do it anyway. See the problem here (hint: read my first sentance)? I seriously wonder if you meant to say "illegal" instead of "decrim."

And "making bank"? List your groups who would benefit from pot being legal and I'll list my groups who benefit from it being illegal. I think mine are a little more nefarious.

 

[undertheice]

I seriously wonder if you meant to say "illegal" instead of "decrim."

decriminalized weed is still illegal weed. those of you who live in the more backward states may not understand this. only full legalization can assure that you won't end up in jail for that pound you have stashed away for a rainy day or that the couple of grams you gave to a friend won't get you time for sales.

 

[lvnv]

decriminalized weed is still illegal weed. those of you who live in the more backward states may not understand this. only full legalization can assure that you won't end up in jail for that pound you have stashed away for a rainy day or that the couple of grams you gave to a friend won't get you time for sales.

So you are saying thay DelSlow was making the argument of decriminalization vs legal instead of decriminalization vs illegal like I interpreted? If so, I take back my response to DelSlow.

If you are still going to go to jail, what is the point of decriminalization? That isn't what decriminalization implies. What I take decriminalization to mean is that there are no criminal penalties for having drugs. Makes more sense, no?

I do live in one of the more progressive MJ states BTW And to say that someone in a "backward state" couldn't comprehend a concept such as decriminalization seems a little arrogant. Just sayin.

 

[DelSlow]

So you are saying thay DelSlow was making the argument of decriminalization vs legal instead of decriminalization vs illegal like I interpreted? If so, I take back my response to DelSlow.

If you are still going to go to jail, what is the point of decriminalization? That isn't what decriminalization implies. What I take decriminalization to mean is that there are no criminal penalties for having drugs. Makes more sense, no?

I do live in one of the more progressive MJ states BTW And to say that someone in a "backward state" couldn't comprehend a concept such as decriminalization seems a little arrogant. Just sayin.

Yea, I meant decrim. vs legal. Decrim. makes it easier for dealers. From what I have seen, you can carry up to an oz under the decrim. laws. That means that as long as a dealer walks around with no more than an oz, he will only get a ticket vs promoting a dangerous drug if caught. So as long as they follow the one oz rule, they can pretty much do whatever they want.

 

[mjisgood21]

I voted legalize.Id like to grow my own bud without risk.

 

[jeff f]

For those who don't get the question -

Decriminalization is what they have in Amsterdam. While it isn't technically legal, cops look the other way and it is generally tolerated. Under this system, people can use weed but kind of need to keep it on the down low and in certain areas (more of a respect thing). You can't be all flagrant about it.

Legalization means that we get all the lawyers and the ACLU involved and everyone argues about whether or not it can be advertised and sold in the open, etc. Another huge, and I mean huge drawback of legalization would be government control. Soon as it is legal, no more growing your own, just like you can not make your own booze. Maybe, it would mean only pharmaceutical companies can manufacture it. At any rate, it would certainly fall under jurisdiction of either the FDA or DOA or both.

I do believe weed should be decriminalized such as in Amsterdam. But, in the interest of maintaining social standards, I would not want to see full legalization.

you can brew your own booze..