sunlight verses hids

[grow plenty]

what puts out more light? the sun on a (high clouds) cloudy day or 3- 600 watt lights? the lights are 2-600 metal-hylide and 1-600 hps. lights are apprpx. 4 to 6 inches from plants,( fresca- sol water cooled lights) no reflectors, vert. hung in 4x8x8 room lined with chrome plated bubble wrap.just wondering if its worth the trouble of hauling 16 babies out side or if theyd do better just staying inside on days like today. all imput is welcome, i'll sort it out....thanks!

 

[homebrewer]

If you take them outside, you run the risk of exposing them to bugs. Keep 'em indoors.

 

[zigzag6]

I think sun is always better as their is nothing more natural .. But like HomeBrewer said to could expose them to bugs , and other crap.

 

[tip top toker]

if it's just a cloudy day, and not that you have plain bad weather most days due to location, then 16 of them, i'd want those outside if it was viable.

 

[desertrat]

the sun gives out a max of 10,000 lumens per square foot on a sunny day. you're a little under 9,000 lumens per square foot with your indoor lighting. so, depending on the cloud cover the sun could be a little more or a little less than your lights.

 

[Puffer Fish]

I think that U need to understand how light penetrates through the foliage.
Outside u got a huge (HID/HPS) which mother nature controls for you. (at it's own pace)
Your plant will get the most sun from all angles as the sum will move ... so you got
growth on all sides .... that is consistent for even growth.
Indoors .... if you know what u are doing ...(position of the light/strength of the light/heat ventilation)
U get the chance to control it all .... thus, eliminating many undesirable factors and speeding up the process.
(but you got to have your indoor system dialed in)
Think about it.

Cheers


Cheers

 

[grow plenty]

if it's just a cloudy day, and not that you have plain bad weather most days due to location, then 16 of them, i'd want those outside if it was viable.

i cant just keep them outside full time, i give them 20 hrs of light per day...6 hrs out side and 14 inside. the plants respond really well to those 6 hrs outside. i think ill get me a wagon so i can haul em all at once, 8 trips, 2 at a time...40 yards 1 way...whew, i love my babies!
response to other replys....i dont worry about bugs since i started using hot- shot no-pest (air fresh) strips. i would never even think about it...but now, shit...bring on the bugs, i use it 3 times a week when lights are off. been using them for several months, i aint dead yet, ha-ha, and there so damn easy to use...no spraying, no mess, and best of all...no harm to plants! but really, i was thinking the same about being outside on cloudy day...going to go get me a wagon...........................

 

[grow plenty]

I think that U need to understand how light penetrates through the foliage.
Outside u got a huge (HID/HPS) which mother nature controls for you.
Your plant will get the most sun from all angles as the sum will move ... so you got
growth on all sides .... it is also consistant.
Indoors .... if you know what u are doing ...(position of the light/strength of the light/heat ventilation)
U get the chance to control it all .... thus, eliminating many undesirable factors and speeding up the process.
(but you got to have your indoor system dialed in)
Think about it.


Cheers

Cheers
thanks puffer, yea im dialed in pretty tight im running a fully water cooled system,lights , water cooled c-o 2 gen and a couple of ice boxes that really put out the humidity...but like i said...its all dialed in pretty good. actually im waiting on a 4000 gal. swimming pool as i type, smile! my room is also air tite when i need it to be....also i have 2 46" turn tables that turn very slowly so my middle light gives each leaf their own little kiss, ha-ha...................

 

[tip top toker]

if you could not put them outside on a permanent/semi-permanent basis then jsut keep them inside, unless you really enjoy that much hassle every day, then by all means

 

[grow plenty]

if you could not put them outside on a permanent/semi-permanent basis then jsut keep them inside, unless you really enjoy that much hassle every day, then by all means

its not really that much of a hassle (yet) but i am saving a few bucks a month on elec. plus i can tell they like it.anyways, i was just curious, later

 

[Puffer Fish]

Hey Plenty ... your set up sounds tight .... I am looking into water cooled co2 .....in the future .... as the tanks are pain in the ass to haul all the time .... is there one unit that shines over others ?? I thought about setting up some tables ... but I decided on a rail mover ... (just cause of the space and my grow style) as I am a DWC grower.
Hot- shot no-pest (air fresh) strips .... are carcinogenic .... as per my research .... so it's a no go for me as I already have cancer.

Cheers and happy growing !

 

[jawbrodt]

The intensity of light that you are getting from those 600's, is waaay higher that what you are getting outside. Placed at 4-6", you're getting well over 10,000 lumens of intensity at the main colas, whereas, outside on a cloudy day, you'd bet getting something in the 5,000 range. I know this, because i was playing with my light meter a couple days ago, checked my 600 HPS, then went outside and checked the sunlight, for comparison.

Outside, the benefit would be that the lower budsites would fill out better than if you kept them inside.

 

[grow plenty]

Hey Plenty ... your set up sounds tight .... I am looking into water cooled co2 .....in the future .... as the tanks are pain in the ass to haul all the time .... is there one unit that shines over others ?? I thought about setting up some tables ... but I decided on a rail mover ... (just cause of the space and my grow style) as I am a DWC grower.
Hot- shot no-pest (air fresh) strips .... are carcinogenic .... as per my research .... so it's a no go for me as I already have cancer.

Cheers and happy growing !

whats up puffer, i have the hydro-gen water cooled version. theres 2 models, i got the bigger one. check out plantlighting hydro. theres is much cheaper than anywhere else that i found. ive heard pros and cons on no pest strips....spent lots of money and time tryin to radicate, not to mention hurting my plants, plus seems like every thing i do can cause cancer so im like w t f ? sorry to hear about your health...ill be kickin 60 yr old in a couple of yrs. so i know i should show more concern with health.just for the record,i dont use my strips constantly...just for maint.....also...those c-o 2 gen. takes some dialing in...im running mine through a chiller with a 500 gallon res. with 3 600 watters plus the co2 gen...im constantly trying new methods of keeping every thing from getting too warm. hopefully this 4000 gallon pool will allow me to do away with my chiller. its only 1/4 horse. shoulda got one a little bigger.................good luck with your cancer treatments (?) ill pray for you, but me an god aint real tight but still i hope the best for you.....peace

 

[grow plenty]

The intensity of light that you are getting from those 600's, is waaay higher that what you are getting outside. Placed at 4-6", you're getting well over 10,000 lumens of intensity at the main colas, whereas, outside on a cloudy day, you'd bet getting something in the 5,000 range. I know this, because i was playing with my light meter a couple days ago, checked my 600 HPS, then went outside and checked the sunlight, for comparison.

Outside, the benefit would be that the lower budsites would fill out better than if you kept them inside.

thanks for the input...i dont have a light meter. i was just curious... i flipped my babies last night so theyll stay inside from here on out. thanks again..........later

 

[Puffer Fish]

whats up puffer, i have the hydro-gen water cooled version. theres 2 models, i got the bigger one. check out plantlighting hydro. theres is much cheaper than anywhere else that i found. ive heard pros and cons on no pest strips....spent lots of money and time tryin to radicate, not to mention hurting my plants, plus seems like every thing i do can cause cancer so im like w t f ? sorry to hear about your health...ill be kickin 60 yr old in a couple of yrs. so i know i should show more concern with health.just for the record,i dont use my strips constantly...just for maint.....also...those c-o 2 gen. takes some dialing in...im running mine through a chiller with a 500 gallon res. with 3 600 watters plus the co2 gen...im constantly trying new methods of keeping every thing from getting too warm. hopefully this 4000 gallon pool will allow me to do away with my chiller. its only 1/4 horse. shoulda got one a little bigger.................good luck with your cancer treatments (?) ill pray for you, but me an god aint real tight but still i hope the best for you.....peace

Hey grow plenty
Thank you for the links ...I much appreciate the time
I was considering this bad boy for my needs



What if one had access to cold running water from the tap .... cold .... so in theory it would be running for 12 hrs .... what type of pressure would I need to cool this gadget ?
There would be no need for a reservoir .... yes ??

P.S brother man I kicked the dirt to the curb and went all out bubbles cause of bugs .... so no place for bugs to hide .... haven't seen a bug in three grows now .... well except for my lady bugs ... I buy them/hunt for them .... and keep them as pets in my grow .... u can buy them in bags .... keep some in the fridge .... in hibernation .... then release them as needed .... lol

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This is more preventative tho.
Also, If one would not want to spend money .... one could get one of them hand held vacs and go hunting ... when they are in season ... we've got thousands of them around in the summer.




I just don't want you getting cancer cause it sucks !!
When it came, my balls swelled to the size of grapefruits ... could not walk for two months.

Happy growing !!

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