A Medicinal Refrigerator

[drrasta47]

<<< excited

 

[Danielsgb]

I brought the girls up to see their apartment. They were happy under the 400 MH but were feeling crowded. There was no way they could share the other apartment with the other 4 ladies. They signed a 12 week lease, it only cost them their soul
They are 9" tall and on the highest the shelf can go while still getting them in it is 6"-7" to the Pyrex from the tips. I tried the big pots and the furthest up the shelf could go while planning a plant too and it looks like 23" from top of pot to tube.
Tomorrow in the am I'll start getting the temps in line. I'm gonna start by seeing how long it takes from bulb on, no fans, to hit 90. Then I'll set the Main to 15min on 45 off, Cool Tube on after I think it's time for 15 then off. I'll try to keep it at no more than 90 before the Main comes on. As the ambient temp goes up it seems to need 30 min on/30 min off to hold the 85-90 range into the afternoon.
I'll start an update in the morning for this next run.
How's these girls look? The two to 12/12 on to flowering in the next week. They are either NY White Rhino or Royal Kush or one of each. I guess I won't know for a week or 2 after 12/12. I'll be starting a Grow Journal soon for their brief stay here. They are UB style 4 headed queens I have babied from clones for a long time. I got a call for a rug for $75 I'm selling on craigs list so if that goes I can order the CMH bulb then when I change bulbs I can skin the top of the Pyrex. I'll order the green CFL bulb too.
What do you think I can hit for yield?
Daniels

 

[drrasta47]

Man that looks really awesome lol. Quick newb question, what's the absolute ideal temp? 2 oz?

 

[gumball]

you must let me know how hot the cmh is!! I am getting worried that it will be to hot in my small space, but I want one so badly!!!

 

[Danielsgb]

Man that looks really awesome lol. Quick newb question, what's the absolute ideal temp? 2 oz?

As far as absolute ideal temp Riddleme explains heat index on his
Calling All NooB Growers


from what I get it's the combo of temp and humidity. Trying to mimic Mother Nature is my thought. So higher in Veg (high summer), then lower into flowering (fall to them). As far as newb stuff to read, pour over his. I HIGHLY recommend anything from him and Uncle Ben. It follows what I've learned in many years of landscaping.

you must let me know how hot the cmh is!! I am getting worried that it will be to hot in my small space, but I want one so badly!!!

You'll definitely know how it compares to my 150W HPS. I'll have these temp runs to compare to. When I get it you'll KNOW I'm excited to see what it'll do since I saw them on Riddleme's NooB Advice
a few months ago.
I feel like I'm giving a Riddleme infomercial. Thank God he doesn't sell anything but helps people save $$
I'll add some temps as the day goes on in an edit.
7:45 temp 53.4 amb. 52.8 (low from overnight)
8:00 temp 64.6 amb. 53.6
8:15 temp 69.8 amb. 55
8:30 temp 80.6 amb. 56.3
9:00 temp 89.8 Cool Tube on
5 min. 86.7
10 min. 84
15 min. 82
9:15 temp 82 amb. 56.8
9:30 temp 86.5 amb. 57
9:45 temp 90.9 amb. 58.6 Main on
10:00 temp 82.2 amb. 59.5 Main off
10:30 temp 85.3 amb. 60.3
Daniels

 

[Danielsgb]

I set the light to 10pm on 4pm off for a night time temp experiment. The Main Exhaust came on at 10:45 for 15 now it's off for 45, continued till 3 something. The Cool Tube exhaust came on at 11:00 for 15 then 1 hr off, continued till 3 something. The temp at 10:00 to start 68.9 amb. 71.1 I'll keep updating again as the night goes (till I crash) I'm thinking the amb. garage will cool as the HPS heats so I won't have to worry about an overnight drop under 50.
FAILED SO FAR by 11:50 it was 94.3
By 12:00 the temp was 76.0 and I set the Main for 15/45, Cool Tube 15/45 alternating in a pattern I'm too stoned to remember now. I may have to go to 30/30 on the Main.
3:30 Temp 72.6 amb. 63.2
6:30 Temp 69.0 amb. 58.6
Daniels
Check out my Grow Journal, 4 girls went to 12/12 tonight for a 10 am wake up.

 

[gumball]

sorry to hear about the big heat up. may i ask why your alternating the exhaust? why not just run both the whole time the lights are on, and then cut off the cool tube when lights go out? just curious, and I dont remember you saying anything about it.

 

[Danielsgb]

sorry to hear about the big heat up. may i ask why your alternating the exhaust? why not just run both the whole time the lights are on, and then cut off the cool tube when lights go out? just curious, and I dont remember you saying anything about it.

Got a little frustrated but I set it for the am runs where amb. was 52-55 area. It was 71.1 at 10pm I want to get around 85 then drop to 70. I re-did it at midnight.
And it's Max 90.0 amb. 69.1
Min 66.7 amb. 58.3
12:00 Temp 76.0 amb. 68.8 Main 15/45, Cool Tube 15/45
3:30 Temp 72.6 amb. 63.2
6:30 Temp 72.9 amb. 59.3
10:00 Temp 70.4 amb. 60.8
11:30 Temp 74.3 amb. 66.6
5:00 Temp 72 amb. 77 Light off at 4:00

To answer you gumball, I'm trying to get the max's figured out then I can increase from there to keep temps lower, but I know the extreme's (plus I want to know for the CMH so I can get it's limits) The Life of a Mad Scientist.
Daniels

 

[Danielsgb]

So I have it set for Light on at 10:00 Main Exhaust on at 10:30 for 15 then off 45 Cool Tube exhaust on at 10:45 for 15 then 45 off. I'll take temps and update on edits as long as I keep awake then about 6-7 and on. This time it'll have 30 minutes before the first cooling then 1/4 Main on then 1/4 Cool on then 30 min off. repeat/repeat/rinse
I'm hopeful by Monday night they can go in, then a week of lowering daylight to 12/12 (mimicking fall in May)

10:00 Temp 69.8 amb. 72.1
10:30 Temp 81.1 amb. 72.1 (Main timing off a bit)
10:45 Temp 88.1 amb. 72.1 Cool Tube on right
11:00 Temp 87.1 amb. 72.1
3:00 Temp 90.2 amb. 70.1
6:30 Temp 90.1 amb. 68.0
9:30 Temp 82.0 amb. 65.0

Daniels

 

[Danielsgb]

OK Here's another Temp Run. I have Light on at 10:00 Main 10:15 then 15/30 to Cool Tube 10:20 then 20/40 till 4:00 for a 16hr test. This is getting boring It's close though. I'll throw updates on edits as before

10:00 temp 74.1 amb. 75.2 33% Hum
10:15 temp 83.8 75.0 34% Main on
10:20 temp 81.1 74.8 33% Cool on
10:30 temp 79.0 74.7 33% Main off
10.40 temp 85.1 75.0 " " Cool off
11:00 temp 94.5 73.9 FAILED AGAIN

Reset Timers to Main 30 on / 15 off Cool Tube 40 on / 20 off I'll redo time once it gets near amb. doors are open
12:30 temp 74.3 amb. 72.5 Doors closed again.
7:30 temp 75.4 63.1
10:00 temp 75.2 66.4 since midnight Max 84.3 amb. 73.0
Min. 69.4 amb. 62.6


Daniels

 

[Danielsgb]

I helped the Hippie Gardener with a Yard Center piece. Got an unexpected $100.

I'm gonna order my CMH bulb tonight They're cheaper here I think.

http://www.greenelectricalsupply.com/ceramic-metal-halide-lamps.aspx

Also found these. I need one with no UV filter from what I understand.
This one is the best 150W right? http://www.lightingsupply.com/CDM150-U-PS-4K-ALTO.aspx

this one is cheaper but that's usually bad
http://www.lightingsupply.com/MHC150-U-M-4K-ALTO.aspx
I also got a couple temp sensors coming

What does anyone recommend?
Daniels

(told you I'd make sure and tell you gumball )

 

[gumball]

I helped the Hippie Gardener with a Yard Center piece. Got an unexpected $100.

I'm gonna order my CMH bulb tonight They're cheaper here I think.

http://www.greenelectricalsupply.com/ceramic-metal-halide-lamps.aspx

Also found these. I need one with no UV filter from what I understand.
This one is the best 150W right? http://www.lightingsupply.com/CDM150-U-PS-4K-ALTO.aspx

this one is cheaper but that's usually bad
http://www.lightingsupply.com/MHC150-U-M-4K-ALTO.aspx
I also got a couple temp sensors coming

What does anyone recommend?
Daniels

(told you I'd make sure and tell you gumball )

AWESOME work on the yard piece!

well thanks daniels, hope we help you with the right decision.

first I am unsure of the 2nd link, i have not researched the "CDM/**" models, and I noticed 2 things, it has a "P" in the model name, which on the "MHC" models this P meant it had the UV blocker, which you dont want. it also comes with an e39 mogul base, whereas the other 2 have e26 medium, like your regular house sockets.

as far as which one from the 1st or 3rd link, i would call both of them and find out what shipping options there are, and how much. since its glass you want good shipping, or at least them to stand behind it. and I would consider if it was a "Philips" brand, or generic brand, since this is new tech and you want to ensure you get what the spec's show you.

remember, these use a pulse start ballast, not an HPS ballast. I know the ones Riddleme recommends are HPS-Retro, and can go right into a HPS ballast, i think. i dont want 250 watts though, or else those would be what I want.

here is a link to all of philips lighting. select family name from the drop down and choose one of the MasterColor Standard selections. you may find one you like more.
http://www.prismaecat.lighting.philips.com/ecat/Light/AdvancedSearch.aspx?fh_location=//prof/us_US/categories<{fnppla}/countries>{us_US}&left_nav=us_en

i cant wait to see this happen!!!

 

[Joker209]

I haven't had a chance to read through the pages yet but I am subbed and will read it as soon as I get some time man. I'm hella tired so I think I'ma burn a little then relax and play some games with the lady

 

[Danielsgb]

I'll do the last testing tonight. Last night's Max was 89.5, and it was in the high 70's low 80's every time I checked it so I say it passed. I have enough to see the difference in HPS vs CMH in my set-up. The remote/ballast is mounted on the wall and the cord moved to the left and cord to the fridge still on left. I got the Hippie Gardener's Yard Piece done as far as the last 3 pots and dirt. They are 1/3 foam peanuts for weight. Just need the plants in tomorrow.
View attachment 945739
Daniels

 

[Joker209]

Haha that's pretty sick dude. I have seen something like this but with wine barrels lol

 

[Danielsgb]

I got the green bulb, and the photocell mounted too. I added a couple metal 90's at the bottom in the rear so it can't be pushed close enough to the wall to bump the Main Exhaust fan. I also re-mounted the temp sensor, added a screw for the other sensor (it's in the mail). The wiring is in for the LED's. I have the relay for it too. IAm5toned is gonna help me with the diagram, but it's mostly ready to go.
I have to help with a baby' shower today (NOT my baby) I'm gonna get the Ladies in there real soon.
Daniels

 

[gumball]

thats cool with the green cfl. have fun with all the ladies and the baby shower.

 

[Joker209]

I run green cfl for dark period too

 

[gumball]

hey joker, do you leave it on the whole dark period? if so how much added heat you think it throws? just curious

 

[nattyhead357]

hey whats the green cfl for?