Arizona law about ethnic classes
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you have no moral objection to slavery but you don't slavery its right. What are the reasons you don't think it's right?
hanimmal
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But that is just the thing. You just argued FOR immigration. There is nothing more natural that changes the economy than migration of people. It has happened everywhere and for all human history, we move to the best populated areas. Only with cars have we started to move further away from eachother, but even then we are close enough to go to the stores, ect.
I agree completely, let the government do something similar to corporations or partnerships (couple forms and poof you are a new legal entity and have full benefits under the law) and then if people want to they can go to a church and get "Married". The whole ceremony thing is way out dated, back when we did not do shit other than sit in the dark and look at stars, sure we needed the distraction of something to do, but now, shit there is so much else.
Why because they moved a hundred miles north for a job, because they lived in junk huts and want to make a better life for their families?
We are a migrating species, this is what we do. If I want to move to seattle, I can, but am I now stealing jobs from native seattle people, should they have the right to deny me because I am out of state and they need to look out for their own? I am sure it is different to you because you see those imaginary lines on the map and it is inside the darker lines of america, but really is it much different? I mean what would have been the case if we would not have traded a necklace for half of america, would the native americans have allowed us to enter their country now? Would it be a country?
I cant even imagine how shitty it would be to try to get the mexican government to fill out paperwork for the poor people to try to become americans, and bribes if corrupt, or barriers because they don't have a job or school to go to here in the states so they do not get approved because they are poor. When they could just hump it for a few days. I just really think that we should try to look more at reality of both sides and not just look at the small number of temporary displaced american workers who can get benefits to improve their skills to a point they can get into the needed skilled jobs that the mexicans cannot compete with.
Another thing that just came to me, we can show the world that borders are more trouble than they are worth for the population in most cases, like the gaza strip, they are too concerned with borders and ethnicities when they could just allow the people to live where ever they could afford to live and if it happens to be in isreali territory then it is on that government to police its people. It would be scary for a while, but if this would have happened thousands of years ago it would be fine by now.
Allow the government borders to police the people within them and not stop people from moving in or out.
This will never happen though, people will always cry for the government to herd them into a neat little box with a outline sketch around it.
lol Legal immigration at a slower "controled" pace yes. Illegal immigration no. I don't think natural is the word to use here. A sudden influx or an overabundance, of people or a product causes instability.
dukeofbaja
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This Parker/Hannimal debate is epic, like Peter fighting that chicken. The debate has carried over from one thread to this one....epic
hanimmal
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So with 1.5 million immigrants a year (high estimate I found) means about a .5% increase per year.
And
4,264,141 annual birth rates / or 11,683 daily births vs
2,487,415 annual death rates / or 6,815 daily deaths.
Means about a gain of 5,764,000 and loss of 2,500,000, and total population of around 300 million, means we have a population increase of around 1% per year. Which is good because as we go into the future we shouldn't become a japan (or even what we are facing with baby boomers getting older and no immigration) and have a huge elderly population that is very expensive to the country and less workers there to support them.
Immigration is good for us. The side effects that come with it are issues on our side, if we would legalize drugs that would stop most of the drug related crimes that the few immigrants bring to those communities. And as you know my stance on if we would understand that a high school diploma doesn't cut it anymore if you want to have a good stable career (and not just a job or get lucky in business), we need our citizens to use the systems in place and become specialized.
kendothegreenwizard
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Regulated immigration is good. Illegal immigration of 15million plus with amnesty is bad.
Mr.KushMan
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Its just like drugs, terrorism and masturbation, you cannot control it.
They want in, they will find a way. Its fighting nature, "a system that can be corrupted, isn't that much of a system."
Peace
They want in, they will find a way. Its fighting nature, "a system that can be corrupted, isn't that much of a system."
Peace
You're forgetting it's not just a yearly thing. The influx builds each year and saturates the already saturated fields the illegals work. Qualified Mathmeticians, Database Administators and Nurses are not flocking to the US from Mexico.
Except for the crime they commit by being here, making illegals legal, does not stop the crimes they commit or the problems they cause. The only thing it does is encourage more illegals to cross the border. Which causes the lower income ranks to swell even more and the costs associated with the lower income group to swell also.
There was an argument made that even though illegals are in the lower income group and the lower income group is known to receive MORE than they put into the system the illegals themselves somehow don't receive much government assistance. So now that the illegals would now be legal is this argument going to still hold water? I can here the sucking sound of money going down the drain as I type.
dukeofbaja
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kendothegreenwizard
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My egg fu is superior to your griffin technique.
kendothegreenwizard
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good point. I wonder how much power LA gets fromAZ. Too bad it's not the state but the power companies that control the switch.
Mr.KushMan
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I think its funny that your country hasn't started investing in alternative energy sources, wave/tidal, wind, solar or geothermal, all of which have no emissions and are highly sustainable. We could power the world if we were able to harness even a fraction of a percent of the geothermal potential. Even if it cost some money it would pay for itself so god damned quickly.
Peace
Peace
hanimmal
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How am I forgetting it is a yearly thing when I wrote that in almost every sentence? But just like I am not counting on those people leaving, I am also not counting on the people dying coming back, so it is still a 1% population increase per year give or take. And like I think most on this website knows, most of the crime is due to drug trade, which if they would let become legal would wipe most of that out.You're forgetting it's not just a yearly thing. The influx builds each year and saturates the already saturated fields the illegals work. Qualified Mathmeticians, Database Administators and Nurses are not flocking to the US from Mexico.Originally Posted by hanimmal
So with 1.5 million immigrants a year (high estimate I found) means about a .5% increase per year.
And
4,264,141 annual birth rates / or 11,683 daily births vs
2,487,415 annual death rates / or 6,815 daily deaths.
Means about a gain of 5,764,000 and loss of 2,500,000, and total population of around 300 million, means we have a population increase of around 1% per year.
Except for the crime they commit by being here, making illegals legal, does not stop the crimes they commit or the problems they cause. The only thing it does is encourage more illegals to cross the border. Which causes the lower income ranks to swell even more and the costs associated with the lower income group to swell also.
There was an argument made that even though illegals are in the lower income group and the lower income group is known to receive MORE than they put into the system the illegals themselves somehow don't receive much government assistance. So now that the illegals would now be legal is this argument going to still hold water? I can here the sucking sound of money going down the drain as I type.
We need a healthy population growth with the baby boomers getting older it is going to get tough in the next 10 years or so with huge job openings due to them retiring. Having a retired population that is larger than your working population is a very bad thing.
And you are right they will continue to come here, but they are going to anyway, and regardless eventually it will slow, because immigration always does (not everyone left Germany or Ireland right?). But that doesn't hurt us as a whole, some people are devastated by it, but that is why we have a social network in America to help them get through the hard times. And if they are willing to do the work they will come out ahead with better skills that will allow them to move up in income level due to having them. If they are not willing to do the work there is little we can do for them, but chances are the people not willing to help themselves were not going to do very well for themselves anyway.
Edit, I just saw you said NOT JUST a yearly thing. That really does not make sense if you did not mean it the way I thought you did. I thought you meant the accumulation of immigrants, and what I had written already stated that. If you meant somehow that some years are going to be huge, you would also have to admit that some years would be very low, it would average out.
stumps
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I don't know where I live had a mex pop of about 2% 30 years ago. Now it's closer to 50%. them peeps hump like bunnys. lol and in my part of the world you couldn't get welfare unless your a mex. sorry not enough money for people that actuly put into the system. the welfare system should have a 6 month limit and two years life time. that would stop the wetbacks.
dukeofbaja
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I'm sure that is on the welfare application: Are you Mexican? (Note: checking no disqualifies you from welfare)
Calling them wetbacks gives me a not too subtle hint about how your mind works as well. I'll remember that when I read your posts from now on.