Round 2 - Its about time. A [Soil - CFL - Closet] Grow

Brokenhope420

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I wonder if anyone remembers me. I posted so many pictures of my last grow, one each day, I forgot how long it went... maybe 3 months... but eventually got screwed up, the setup was a pain in the ass, on the floor, no space anywhere, falling apart daily. The plant ended up dieing because the roots were to constrained, the pot was too large already, and another transplant would be impossible... no way I could have got it out with even 1/4 of the roots, and I would have had to go outside to do it... no way it would happen...

last time the seeds were crap, and bag seeds...

I use a soil medium, the miracle grow crap, its the only decent stuff around here, and hey it works.

well im starting again, just decided to last Friday spontaneously. This time I have juicy fruit seeds, bag seeds though. The bud was amazing and smelled so strongly of juicy fruit gum... not many seeds... but I germinated about 5, and planted 4 in 3 cups, all 4 sprouted and i removed the extra one in the cup that had 2 sprouts.

I already have a bunch of lights, I wired my own 5 socket vanity light strip to an extension cord, works very nicely. I made a reflector out of cardboard, that will work perfect, and angle right over the lights perfectly, since I use the Y socket things, for 2 bulbs per socket, and they angle right down on the plant... dollar general was out of mylar so im fucked for the time being... might layer some white paper for now...

this time the grow is a bit different, heres why it will probably be more successful than the last one haha...
- I know what I am doing from the very start, not 2 weeks into the grow like last time.
- The setup is so much nicer, on a bed stand type thing. Hot glue definitely helps a crap load since its easier to attach cardboard together with that, than duct tape... the tape just falls off easy haha.
- I am attaching my main set of 5 lights to a reflector, which will have an adjustable height over the plants, so I can grow these plants wayyyyyyyyy taller... I have about 4 times more room in the height department haha, and if it gets too big I can move it to the floor and get an extra 2 1/2 feet.
- Closets cleaner
- I have a bunch of cardboard
- Got a car
- Have money
- Already have a crap load of lights with tin can reflectors I made...

This grow is gonna be done completely with CFL's, and plenty of them. Its winter here, so my closet is pretty cold, the lights heat the room to room temperature, warmer near the plants... so thats good... heat did become a bit of a problem last time.

So it has been 1 week since I germinated. There are 3 sprouts currently, both have there first set of leafs - the round ones forgot the name... and started the first real set of leafs.

Replies and comments are wanted :).

Grow Calender
Dec 14, 2007 - Germination Started... around 6-9pm. Moist paper towels used, with plastic wrap, on my cable box.
Dec 15, 2007 - Checked it about the same time, not germinated yet.
Dec 16, 2007 - Fully germinated, planted in cups filled with mirical grow that I already watered and let sit. I covered the cups with plastic wrap lightly.
Dec 17, 2007 - Nothing.
Dec 18, 2007 - 1 sprouted, attempted digging at the others... nothing.
Dec 19, 2007 - All 4 sprouted, extra sprout was removed. I moved them under 2 CFL lights, 23 watts each just temporary. Watered lightly.
Dec 20, 2007 - Set up the vanity strip of 5, which only has 3 y sockets = 6 cfls currently, right above the plants. Watered again more than last time.
Dec 21, 2007 - Showing more growth, 1 plant got tipped, hopefuly I saved it. Started working on the grow setup more... making room, etc...
Dec 22, 2007 - About 1am added the fan, the grow "box" was very hot, and I think the sprouts have been stressing from it. Now noon, the "box" is much cooler... still not much growth.
Dec 23, 2007 - Lighting strip is fixed, and reattached.

Lights Calender
Dec 19, 2007 - Sprouts started, and put under 24/0, 2 CFL, 23 watts each.
Dec 20, 2007 - Put under the vanity strip with 5 sockets. Only 3 sockets used, Y splitter in each, for a total of 6 CFLs over 3 cups [2 ea]. Watt stats later. 4 Out of the 6 CFLs have coke can reflectors. Still on 24/0.
Dec 22, 2007 - Added 1 more CFL on the gooseneck lamp, total of 7 now on 24/0.

Dates To Remember - just random things... not plant related haha.
Dec 17, 2007 - Was blinded by ice on my windshield getting onto the highway couldnt see a thing ran my car off the road into 2 white pole things and then got back on the road... fucked up my bumper... I was really baked at the time too haha.

Day One -> Dec 20, 2007.

Pictures

Reflector and stand finished 12/22/07 - This is the main part of the setup, I will raise it when needed.


Day 1 - 12/20/07
[No picture]

Day 2 - 12/21/07



Day 3 - 12/22/07
[No picture]

Day 4 - 12/23/07
[No picture yet...]
 

Brokenhope420

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Questions...

Alright, I need to get new supplies tomorrow... I know I need a thermometer and some sort of tool to measure the moisture in the soil [Is that really necessary? I could wing it... like I did last grow... and is what I have been doing]. Where can I get these? and how much would I end up spending? and what section in the store should I look in?

Can I find mylar or something better at Hobby Lobby? -Dollar General is the only place I'm sure has it, but they're currently sold out.

How should I go about watering the plants? I heard doing it ever 2-3 days is best, instead of once a day... my plants normally get dry after a day though... so should I just water them a lot more so I don't have to water them every day? or what?

Thanks for the replies... any comments are wanted.

Pictures will be coming soon. I took pictures of the current weird setup... theres still a few more days of work left until its completely finished.
 

GoodFriend

Lumberjack
hygrometer (temp/humidity guage) can be gotten for like 5-6 bucks at a walmart...

you don't need a soil moisture tester...

just water whenever the soil a couple inches down gets dry to the touch... just stick yer finger down in the soil to test...

flat white paint works quite well for reflective surfaces... and is easier to come by than mylar...

best of luck friend!
 

Brokenhope420

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Thanks for the reply :).

1 more question... how dense should the soil be? right now its pretty fluffy and my finger went down 2 inches without a problem... will this cause the roots to stretch or anything?

I couldn't really use white paint... I mean my walls are already white, but im not using the closet walls to reflect, too many things in the way... light would never make it back... but I have cardboard, that I usually tape mylar too, very flatly, and it is so freakn bright, its not actually mylar though, its gift wrap that comes precut in squares, not on a roll, and the gift wrap is colored on one side and uncolored plain mylar on the other.

I added the fan up yesterday, I think they were heat stressing, I never noticed how freakn hot it is inside the box... it really wasn't distributing the heat in the box to the rest of the room at all... but the box is back to normal temp, and the fans running 24/0.

i dont remember them growing this slow in my last grow though -_-.
 

GoodFriend

Lumberjack
mj likes looser dirt for the roots to easily move in... what you have sounds fine =]

you're reflective surfaces sounds fine... i know other people who do the same sorta thing...


wish you the best of luck...

hope to see this finish out well!
 

Brokenhope420

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Thank you... but so far theres a few potential problems...

I went to walmart today, to get some more miracale grow, bigger pots, and mylar or some kinda wrapping paper that has a mylar back, and oh yeah the hygrometer, they didnt have any of it, the entire gardening sections gone... would lowes sell soil? or anything else?

I finally finshed the new setup, still no mylar on the reflector, I substituted a bunch of layered white printer paper. I also have pieces of cardboard with smooth mylar taped to it that I place around the area... but the new setup is pretty sweet, wayyy more room, and I can raise it as much as I need. I have tons of pictures I will post sometime soon.
 

jsgrwn

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You Should Look Around For A High Quality Soil To Start With Like Fox Farm Ocean Forest, Its Got Great Built In Nutes That Help A Lot. And Flat White Paint Is Recommended Because Mylar Will Be Hanging Off The Walls Getting All Over Before You Know It
 

GoodFriend

Lumberjack
lowes would be a lot better off...

actually you can set up an incredible grow with stuff from lowes

they even have hps lights if you wanna do some real good growing...

the white paper isn't gonna be too great for reflecting light...

i was suggesting painting the cardboard white and using them as panels to reflect the light...
 

Brokenhope420

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I only have the mylar attached to the grow box, it will never be on the wall or in the way lol, but the papers all sorts of fucked up hanging everywhere, that stuff doesnt stay down... so I don't know. I actually think I have some paint but its a bit off white, visibly off white colored... I could paint the cardboard, I do have to touch up a few patches on the wall too anyways. How well do you think off white would do? What if I bought some thick white poster board would that work better?

Do all Lowes stores sell HPS lights? if so I could definitely get one... but I have never seen any and I have been to lowes several times in the past looking for lights.
 

Brokenhope420

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Pictures

Temporary setup finished 12/21/07


Day 2 - 12/21/07


Reflector and stand finished 12/22/07


Final setup finished 12/22/07



 

Brokenhope420

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Its not ever gonna be fully light proof, the closet is light proof... flowering is the only time I have to worry about sealing out light... I never need to seal it in fully, but I have the closet door, and I am going to hang several layers of sheets on the inside of it, so absolutely no light gets in the closet... or out.

The setup isn't holding... I knew this would happen, the vanity light wasnt attached very well to the cardboard reflector, and its coming off, it weighs quite a lot and is attached with some duct tape and thats it... I may rebuild it slightly so its stronger... because I am kinda worried... if that thing falls its gonna smash all the bulbs on the table and probably start a fire. I couldn't find anything that I could fix it temporarily with... so tommorrow I have a task.

I really cant get any paint... I have to keep everything I buy in my closet to keep the project under wraps haha, and there is absolutely no way I can keep a bucket of paint in my closet... the off white is the color of our walls so we have extra... but yeah I am just gonna wait for dollar general to get more mylar its the cheapest and easiest thing to do in my opinion, just a few pieces of scotch tape and its securely attached to the cardboard.

But the plants are liking the lights... I added a gooseneck lamp, so theres now 7 cfls, on 3 sprouts. This is the first day I went without watering... doesn't seem to need it.
 

Brokenhope420

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Sprouts are doing alright, it is Day 4. Once again a cup was tipped, I think this is the eighth time I have tipped one of the three sprouts haha.

I fixed the lighting, Oh my god it was so close to coming off the cardboard, it was hanging down over 5" on one side. I hot glued it and reduct taped it... seems 100 times more sturdy. I attached white cardboard as a temporary reflector on one side, and a sheet of cardboard with mylar taped to it on the other side, its working pretty good.

I watered the plants again right before I took down the main set of lights for about a 45 min repair, during which time all 3 sprouts were huddled under 1 cfl haha.

Pictures later on.
 

Brokenhope420

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Still no pictures... its Christmas... I will try to take pictures today... I watered them again. The 3 sprouts are now under 10 cfls.... there is definitely a lot of light being lost too, but the majority is being reflected atleast in the general direction of the plant... but I mean I don't even use my closet light anymore, this setup lights up my closet well enough.
 

HoLE

Well-Known Member
I wonder if anyone remembers me. I posted so many pictures of my last grow, one each day, I forgot how long it went... maybe 3 months... but eventually got screwed up, the setup was a pain in the ass, on the floor, no space anywhere, falling apart daily. The plant ended up dieing because the roots were to constrained, the pot was too large already, and another transplant would be impossible... no way I could have got it out with even 1/4 of the roots, and I would have had to go outside to do it... no way it would happen...

last time the seeds were crap, and bag seeds...

I use a soil medium, the miracle grow crap, its the only decent stuff around here, and hey it works.

well im starting again, just decided to last Friday spontaneously. This time I have juicy fruit seeds, bag seeds though. The bud was amazing and smelled so strongly of juicy fruit gum... not many seeds... but I germinated about 5, and planted 4 in 3 cups, all 4 sprouted and i removed the extra one in the cup that had 2 sprouts.

I already have a bunch of lights, I wired my own 5 socket vanity light strip to an extension cord, works very nicely. I made a reflector out of cardboard, that will work perfect, and angle right over the lights perfectly, since I use the Y socket things, for 2 bulbs per socket, and they angle right down on the plant... dollar general was out of mylar so im fucked for the time being... might layer some white paper for now...

this time the grow is a bit different, heres why it will probably be more successful than the last one haha...
- I know what I am doing from the very start, not 2 weeks into the grow like last time.
- The setup is so much nicer, on a bed stand type thing. Hot glue definitely helps a crap load since its easier to attach cardboard together with that, than duct tape... the tape just falls off easy haha.
- I am attaching my main set of 5 lights to a reflector, which will have an adjustable height over the plants, so I can grow these plants wayyyyyyyyy taller... I have about 4 times more room in the height department haha, and if it gets too big I can move it to the floor and get an extra 2 1/2 feet.
- Closets cleaner
- I have a bunch of cardboard
- Got a car
- Have money
- Already have a crap load of lights with tin can reflectors I made...

This grow is gonna be done completely with CFL's, and plenty of them. Its winter here, so my closet is pretty cold, the lights heat the room to room temperature, warmer near the plants... so thats good... heat did become a bit of a problem last time.

So it has been 1 week since I germinated. There are 3 sprouts currently, both have there first set of leafs - the round ones forgot the name... and started the first real set of leafs.

Replies and comments are wanted :).

Grow Calender
Dec 14, 2007 - Germination Started... around 6-9pm. Moist paper towels used, with plastic wrap, on my cable box.
Dec 15, 2007 - Checked it about the same time, not germinated yet.
Dec 16, 2007 - Fully germinated, planted in cups filled with mirical grow that I already watered and let sit. I covered the cups with plastic wrap lightly.
Dec 17, 2007 - Nothing.
Dec 18, 2007 - 1 sprouted, attempted digging at the others... nothing.
Dec 19, 2007 - All 4 sprouted, extra sprout was removed. I moved them under 2 CFL lights, 23 watts each just temporary. Watered lightly.
Dec 20, 2007 - Set up the vanity strip of 5, which only has 3 y sockets = 6 cfls currently, right above the plants. Watered again more than last time.
Dec 21, 2007 - Showing more growth, 1 plant got tipped, hopefuly I saved it. Started working on the grow setup more... making room, etc...
Dec 22, 2007 - About 1am added the fan, the grow "box" was very hot, and I think the sprouts have been stressing from it. Now noon, the "box" is much cooler... still not much growth.
Dec 23, 2007 - Lighting strip is fixed, and reattached.

Lights Calender
Dec 19, 2007 - Sprouts started, and put under 24/0, 2 CFL, 23 watts each.
Dec 20, 2007 - Put under the vanity strip with 5 sockets. Only 3 sockets used, Y splitter in each, for a total of 6 CFLs over 3 cups [2 ea]. Watt stats later. 4 Out of the 6 CFLs have coke can reflectors. Still on 24/0.
Dec 22, 2007 - Added 1 more CFL on the gooseneck lamp, total of 7 now on 24/0.

Dates To Remember - just random things... not plant related haha.
Dec 17, 2007 - Was blinded by ice on my windshield getting onto the highway couldnt see a thing ran my car off the road into 2 white pole things and then got back on the road... fucked up my bumper... I was really baked at the time too haha.

Day One -> Dec 20, 2007.

Pictures
Reflector and stand finished 12/22/07 - This is the main part of the setup, I will raise it when needed.


Day 1 - 12/20/07
[No picture]

Day 2 - 12/21/07


Day 3 - 12/22/07
[No picture]

Day 4 - 12/23/07
[No picture yet...]
welcome back brokenhope,,I'm HoLE,,don't know ya,,but your pics always flash across the top when I come onto RIU,,and I used to think your nickname,,always suited your pics,,sorry bout your bad luck in the beginning,,I didn't even find RIU till my plants were about 3-4 weeks old,,my first time,,ended up with one outta 9,,males and hermies,,from seeds I ordered from Dutchseeds,,doin better now on my 3rd time around,,good luck with your new set-up,,I think you may have a huge following here,,it's yur time,,Merry Christmas man

Keep on Growin

HoLE
 

robbie82

Well-Known Member
Your set up looks good can we get some more pics of the set up? Cant wait for updates, till be keeping tabs on this one.
 

Brokenhope420

Well-Known Member
welcome back brokenhope,,I'm HoLE,,don't know ya,,but your pics always flash across the top when I come onto RIU,,and I used to think your nickname,,always suited your pics,,sorry bout your bad luck in the beginning,,I didn't even find RIU till my plants were about 3-4 weeks old,,my first time,,ended up with one outta 9,,males and hermies,,from seeds I ordered from Dutchseeds,,doin better now on my 3rd time around,,good luck with your new set-up,,I think you may have a huge following here,,it's yur time,,Merry Christmas man

Keep on Growin

HoLE
Thanks a lot! But dang that sucks, my first grow I didnt even get to see the gender... so hopefully I don't end up with all males with these 3 sprouts lol. Do you have a journal?


Robbie: Thanks, yeah I will take more pictures of the setup when I take the plant pics, I am thinking of doing another modification to it, to seal in wayyy more light, and hopefully help direct the wind from the fan more towards the plants.


I am definitely going to take the picture today, day 6 I believe today is. Currently the 3 lil plants are about the same size as my first grow was at day 6, bottom leaves grown larger, and the second set forming, and the leafs just starting to branch out.

One thing I know I am doing better on is not overwatering the plants. I think one of them got overwatered and it's starting to droop more than the other 2, I rotated the drooping one with a healthy one under the lights, but no change so far.

I am going to have to get another fan, my current fan is only blowing on the first plant, barely the second, not reaching the third enough to even more a leaf.

Im going to home depot and or lowes tomorrow, I have a decent amount of money... It wouldn't hurt to get a few more lights, any suggestions? And where exactly can I find the stuff, because I never find anything in those stores lol. And where can I find a hydrometer or whatever it is called... to measure temperature, and humidity.

Finally any suggestions on home made CO2, I have used yeast sugar and water before, but I am not sure how well it worked... didn't notice much of a difference.
 

Humboldt

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Now that is a ghetto veg box, pretty neat but if you're going to go the cardboard route why not use a refrigerator box or something similar, easily cut holes for fans etc.. also I would recommend replacing the fan your using with a small oscillating fan, good luck to you and your grow.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
 

Brokenhope420

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Can you describe the fan? how much do they cost? how many would I need? I may expand this to 6 plants instead of 3, assuming half are going to be killed off later when theyre bigger.

I just went to Lowes, and finally found the light bulbs, my last entire grow I could never find em. I picked up 2 new 40watt cfls, they had 65 watt ones, but they were $20 each, the 40's were around $9 each, so I figure its better, because 2 lights with more lumen output, and since theres 2 you can position them better... it just works out better, and cheaper. I may have to change around the box to fit these new bulbs, or I will have to swap 2 out for these 2 new ones, which I don't really wanna do, I would rather have 12 bulbs instead of 10.

Theres several free sockets too, 2 left on the vanity stip on top, and then I have another lamp socket that I can add 2 lights to, but its not even in the setup right now, and then...

theres the gooseneck lamps, the reflector is strong aluminum, and I cant figure out how the hell to get it off, I would have to unwire the socket completely to get the reflector off the way it looks... but that would help so much, being able to gooseneck around 2 lights better reflected and aimed, whereas currently the stupid reflectors taking up a lot of room ,and makes it very hard to aim it at the plants, the reflector on the goosneck is also the reason I can't close the front completely, it sticks out slightly.

Haha yeah the box is ghetto, its cardboard, and a lot of hot glue and duct tape. Last grow I used a big TV box, but it had to be on the floor, and soon after cutting into it to position my ghettoooooo light setup, it started tipping back and forth... it didnt work at all... mylar falling all over the place inside... gives me nightmares just thinking about it haha... I punched a few holes in the closet wall because that thing pissed me off so much... just didn't work... but it did do an excellent job at keeping light in haha.

but I like this setup, I think its a lot easier to cut the cardboard yourself and glue it together, and it holds really well... I just gotta get a better foundation, spanning over a night table and some buckets with books and a few boxes, doesn't work too well... but I also bought a sheet of thin wood, 2' x 4' that I will cut and use as a level floor, which should help a lot...

couldn't find a hygrometer anywhere though.
 
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