Perpetual Dual Cab, 400x250w MH,Aurora B x The Pure x Dank Bagseeds. Enter The SOG...

IAm5toned

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so i built a small bubble cloner, then realized, i have nowhere to put it!
then I realized that i never really get into the importance of keeping things clean when im posting, so in this entry i will make a point to go into a little detail showing some of the precautions i take to avoid infestations.

enter the germination station, my latest addition to the grow room.
it slices, it dices, it even makes julieanne fries!
complete with 200w halogen spotlight and magnifying stand for up close and personal looks up the skirts of your ladies!
also included is 2 lamp 4' f40t12 light fixture, featuring research grade horticulture multispectrum germination lamps. the lamps were part of a case of lamps that landed in my lap one day that were ahhh... 'liberated' from a local university bio-medical research building. i dont know how i got them occifer... they mustve fell off the truck ;) ;) also pictured is my passive NFT propigator.


the bubble cloner, my latest DIY. i made the inserts by using 2 hole saws, one smaller(1 7/8") than the other(2 1/8"). the smaller hole saw was used to drill the holes in the tupperware lid, and the larger holesaw was used to drill holes in some craft foam i stole from my old lady. (sorry honey, but some things are important, babe :eyesmoke: ) i then cut a a slice in the insert for stem removal and enlarged the hole through the center with a 5/16 drill bit.


bubbles galore! you can never have too many bubbles, IMHO. here i am running a solution of bleachwater and hydrogen peroxide for 48 hours as a sterilization technique. cuttings are vulnerable to infection, and i take no chances-


keeping the rez clean is important. microscopic organisms like algae, bacteria, mold and even some insects can get in through the tiniest of openings.thats why i dont plan on making it easy for them. here i have used duct tape to act as a membrane for the airlines passing through the lid. quick, cheap, and easy, its worth the extra effort in the long run and takes only a few seconds.


one of the things i have learned during the 25 years i played around with aquariums, is that water will siphon out of a tank via an airline in the event of a power failure or extended period of time being shutdown. nothing like ruining a 30$ airpump. manufacturers recommend using a check valve to prevent air line siphoning from damaging your pump. i know better, however, because adding a check valve to the airline not only greatly reduces airflow, (bad) it also adds a great deal of backpressure to the line coming from the pump; (even worse) this greatly reduces the working life of the diaphragm inside the airpump. (25 yrs exp ;) ) to overcome this, the hobbyist simply has to mount his/her airpump higher then the water level of the rez, to prevent siphoning from occuring.... this completely eliminates the need for a check valve, and eliminates a point of failure from the design.


the propigator, 5 LSD on the left, and % Vanilla Kush on the right, both barney's farm.


birth of beautiful baby girl. i shall nema her after her mother, LSD-


and since i am a frisky bastard, here is the birth of another one of my daughters from another baby mother. she shall be named Vanilla Kush-


Currently Vegging In The Cab Under 250w of MH Goodness
2 The Pure, 2 Aurora B, 2 8 Ball Kush, 1 Sensi Star, and 1 Local YokeL
notice how white it is in there. this is not for reflective purposes.
I keep that fucker cleaner than my old ladies coochie, and she's a fanatic.
Id have no problem eating off of any surface in there, besides the fact i would be pissed about having to sterilize again.... the moral of the story here is- plants grown indoors are more vulnerable to disease for a variety of reasons, much in the way a wild cow would be stronger than a domestic cow. Dont give the germs a home, and they wont infect your ladies with nasty things like budrot and powdery mildew. fungus gnats also dislike bright surfaces.

also, like a hospital, the ambient temp, or actual temp of my grow room stays at 69 deg f. this makes life difficult for molds and bacteria. normally, i also try to keep Rh at about 50- 60%. keeping it so cold and dry also cuts down on the chance of cross contamination between cabs, if one cab developed budrot, for example, the airborne spores would have a hard time surviving to get into the other cabs in the room**. i also use commercial grade hypersonic insect and rodent repelling devices. often imitated by cheap manufacturers like 'As Seen on TV!' that put out a inferior, underpowered product, these commercial grade devices drop flying insects out of the air in a matter of minutes, if not seconds, by way of powerful ultra sonic emmision. tho pulled off of the shelves a few years ago due to interference with bluetooth devices, i pulled mine out of a building that was being demo'd downtown a few months ago.
i also maintain a rigorous cleaning schedule of the entire area, and leave no corner unturned, and in between grows, i even move the cabs and wipe down the walls behind them and make sure the floor is clean before moving them back. i take my shoes off at the door, and avoid the place like the plague if i think im to dirty to go in. such is the routine of a successful grower.... loose a crop to budrot and youll be doing it too!

**edit:
let me phrase that better. keeping the temps and rh low isnt going to kill any mold spore, but what it does do is keep any invading spores from becoming active and germinating. by keeping it cool and dry, the spores remain dormant.
 

IAm5toned

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:clap:Nice work Iam5toned. I cant believe you pulled almost a QP from them ladies.:clap:Scribed +rep if i can. peace 1bmm:mrgreen:
hey thanks man!
i figure if Al B Fuct can do it, than I can try to do it better :bigjoint:

no offense to Mr Fuct, in fact I have much respect for him, as he was one of the inspirations for this style of growing i have adopted.
he pulls a lb out of 16 similair sized plants, tho in hydro. 1/4 lb off of 8 means im halfway there, lol....
 

Danielsgb

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Damn Man. Impressed once again.:mrgreen: I think almost every one of your big posts about your set-up makes me go "Well shit, now I want to make one of those." I love the new cloner. Now I have to re-do mine. I was planning to anyway, but now I know how I'll mod. it. One question though. You don't cover the light coming into it? I thought light is bad for them. Mine is painted with a flat black spray paint for plastic. I used hot glue for my airlines. I try to make everything "easy to clean" in my designs and try to wipe things with a super light bleaching often. This will make me even more anal about it.
This set-up has me planning another flowering chamber. I love the idea of moving them half way through 12/12 to an even better "apartment" to finish. That Vanilla Kush sounds tasty. I'm smoking Church right now, but that Pure sounded so good. I hope my Royal Kush is anywhere near yours.:peace:
Daniels
 

IAm5toned

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thanks.
i tried to rep u but it said i first must spread some more luv b4 i can get you agin
actually i am going to build a little box for the cloner to set down into that will block the light.
ive painted them in the past, but it always seems to either flake off (cheap paint) or ill get a scratch in the plastic paint and it flakes off from there.
another advantage is by not having it painted, i dont have to remove the lid to check for roots, i can just lift it out of the box, so to speak, instead of potentially exposing any fresh cuttings to airborne bacteria and molds.
plus, once it gets filled up with some rooting/vegging clones and gets some weight sitting on th elid, im expecting it to leak a little around the edges, as they often do.
my box will have a drip tray incorporated into it, so i dont have to use a mold incubating towel around the base to soak up any drips ;)
 

whiteflour

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Nice been looking at those vanilla kush. Why didn't you pull the nets off those jiffy pellets tho? Those things can sever the roots right off.
 

whiteflour

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Yea! that's my main complaint with those things. A good seed can throw a 4-6" tap root before it breaks dirt. Should definitely try to remove as much of it as possible when you plant tho, or at the least remove the seam. I had one plant that had a 1/4" gap in the roots through the seam. But I'd like to think I'm just preaching to the choir. :)
 

IAm5toned

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Yea! that's my main complaint with those things. A good seed can throw a 4-6" tap root before it breaks dirt. Should definitely try to remove as much of it as possible when you plant tho, or at the least remove the seam. I had one plant that had a 1/4" gap in the roots through the seam. But I'd like to think I'm just preaching to the choir. :)
any and all info is appreciated man. ill give it a try and see how it goes. i like to think theres always room for improvement :bongsmilie:
 

cruzer101

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let me phrase that better. keeping the temps and rh low isnt going to kill any mold spore, but what it does do is keep any invading spores from becoming active and germinating. by keeping it cool and dry, the spores remain dormant.
Good info, thanks man.
 

IAm5toned

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so the other day i was looking @ one of my cabs and decided it was not worthy of the IAm5toned brand name... i mean really, i threw that fucker together faster than a mexican framing crew
:lol:
here's what i had/was working with... yuck!


the first thing to be improved was the cooling system.. flex ducts posing as passive intakes are actually performing the task of a pickup vent.. that is, they pick up the coldest air in the room, right from the floor. the flex duct can be arranged in any number of ways to act as light traps as well. i put one in on each side, right at the height of the top of my pots. why the height of the top of my pots? because i dont want icy cool air blowing on the sides my soil pots, it would promote root rot.


here u can see them both


the next improvement went to the light array... the old one was fine, but i wanted more! so here it is-


wait a min, that pic doesnt do it any justice... i mean really now, there are 736 watts of lamps in there...



the finished product...



and here are the seedlings i mentioned before, in the lower deck (400wmh) of cab a, the two in the back left are fairing rather poorly, prolly womt make it.... one is an aurora b, the other the pure. the one in the far back right bounced back after a flush, the other 2 no response....

and here is one of the vanilla kush seedlings showing some signs of yellowing.... this is pissing me off i usually dont run into these damn problems!


i cant make up my mind if i over watered them because i had to go out of town for 3 days, or if my soil is too hot...... ph is fine, 5.8-6.2 range, temps lights on 76f lights off 67f, RH 60%... im begining to think it was a combination of both.... hot soil ont the one in the far right, and overwatering/drownding on the other 2.

i think i am going to build a smaller scale fast recirculating tubular dwc, aka Heath robinson's flooded tube.... well i say i think, i am going to build it, once i get these cabs dialed in a bit further....

i have also taken on a breeding project, and will be currently strain hunting over the next 12-18 months, in case your wondering why i have such a random mix of strains, lol.... looking for specific traits ;)
right now im running
barneys farm 8ball kush
flying dutchmen the pure
flying dutchmen aurora b
a kind hillbilly's local yokel
seedism sensi star
barneys farm LSD (lemon sour diesel)
barneys farm vanilla kush

next up in the lineup
seedism kill-a-watt
serious seeds white russian

future prospects you will be seeing during the upcoming months-
burmese kush, THseeds
neville's haze, mr nice
super silver haze, mr nice
nepal kush, flying dutchmen
critical mass, mr nice
artic sun, flying dutchmen
indica champions, paradise seeds
sativa champions, paradise seeds
 

AudiA6Driver

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DAMN! this is the cabs of cabs i would have to say. +REP for you, the new cab renovation came out amazing! thats so much damn light! Do you just use all DIY ballast kits? im thinking of doing the same, i need to brush up on my electric skills though lol. Well any way good growin man keep it up!!
 

cruzer101

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LOL, I looked at that last pic and thought "what the hell is that surrounding that seedling? A snake?
Then I took off the sunglasses I needed to see the previous pic of the bright lights and realized it is a jiffy cube.

Lookin good man.
 

IAm5toned

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DAMN! this is the cabs of cabs i would have to say. +REP for you, the new cab renovation came out amazing! thats so much damn light! Do you just use all DIY ballast kits? im thinking of doing the same, i need to brush up on my electric skills though lol. Well any way good growin man keep it up!!
my 250w ballasts came out of old wall pack fixtures that were being demo'd on a jobsite i was on, about a decade ago, lol. they are relics but woirk great.
my 400/1000w ballasts were actually donated to the cause by a good friend. originally they were in high bay industrial fixtures, i simply took the ballasts out of the housings and mounted them to the sides of the cabs using long screws, with jam nuts to hold the ballasts in place. the screws themselves attach to a metal plate that was the 'end cap' of the ballast enclousure on the light fixture... it gives a sturdy support for the weight of the ballast, and then i screwed the end caps to the sides of the cabinet with some decent wood screws. thanks for the good words man!
 
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