headbangaboogy
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is there a real advantage to using these? what sort of yields can come from a LED grow. I am very weary of both of these, but might give them a shot if someone can give me some good info on them
Cfl, led
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Mattybz4889
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i say either is good. leds will use less power and almost never burn out. cfl's will. the plants love the led right on top of them. blue, white and red make up a grow panel. i find that maybe they could use a little more blue at the start of growing.
darkdestruction420
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so you want to know if you should use cfls or leds instead of an hps? just want to make sure i understand the question.
purplecream
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There is no advantage to using these. What kind of yield or quality are you trying to achieve? If you have the money to put into your grow buy a hps light, you'll get bigger buds and more potent buds.
EDIT: If you have enough money to buy a decent LED light you have enough money to buy a hps light. I say go with hps. If you have limited space or a limited budget go with cfls.
EDIT: If you have enough money to buy a decent LED light you have enough money to buy a hps light. I say go with hps. If you have limited space or a limited budget go with cfls.
headbangaboogy
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i was just curious more then anything i use have a mh conv. and an hps right now, but i have been seeing sooo much cfl boxes and they seem so cheap.
darkdestruction420
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not true at all man, hps is far more effecient than cfls, so you need to use more watts of clf than you would of hid(look at a grow under a 400w hps and one under 400w of cfls and it will become extremely obvious.). and as for the other reason people do cfls, that they cant afford to get an hps and cfls are cheaper in the short term initial investment wise, doesnt apply to you in any way if youve already got the lights.
I agree with dark, Cfl growers usually use them because its really their only option (apartments or stealth) If you have the $$ and space to use hps then thats the way to go! Cfl will produce enough for personal use and if done correctly can give you enough smoke on a constant basis. CFL is a good alternative but will not produce like Hps or mh...
krozone
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Of course there are advantages of using CFL's and LED lights over HPS/MH; As there are advantages of using HPS/MH over LED/CFL
As a few pointed out; it's somewhat dependent on your situation.
*For example*
I choose not to go HPS/HM because
1.) I am growing for personal consumption.
2.) I don't need to invest in a bulky item such as a CoolTube setup *Bulky in comparison to the alternate*
3.) As you noted *And I've proven to myself* You don't need a HPS/HM setup in order to enjoy the growing process.
4.) With my CFL setup; I can adjust individual CFL height.
One thing that I've noticed on this forum and others which are MJ growing orientated; Proven growing methods such as those done with a HPS setup are a dime a dozen.. As they have been around for a long time;
Mention LED's and shit hit's the fan... 99% of those people *those who do not feel LED setups can yield anything worthy of the cost of a LED* it seems have absolutely no experience with those lights, they are just blatantly saying "No, they are shit in comparison; get a HPS setup and use the LED as supplemental lighting." Of course, the guy with 25,000 posts to his name that swears by his 500 Harvests by way of HPS... " it works for him..... People assume "Look at that guy.. he knows.. If HPS has worked for him, and he/she has all this experience.. blah blah blah.. "
There are Shit HPS/HM setups out there.. Look at Craigslist; you'll see 'em.... They look like they were hand made.... Are they going to perform as well as the HPS/MH setup the guy with 25,000 posts has? No fucking way.
The same goes for LED lights.. Hobbyist/Grower can see it as an alternate due to their unique situation.
1.) Preference
2.) Space
3.) Electricity bill "LED's vs HPS.. Which do you think is cheaper?"
4.) Heat (LED's give off next to no heat in comparison to HPS/HM) etc..etc..
I personally think that, yes.. a top of the line HPS/MH setup in comparison to a top of the line LED setup; HPS wins.
Why?
Top of the line LED will cost much more then the HPS
If you can support the HPS setup; then heat is not an issue/concern
dsnutts: "CFL is a good alternative but will not produce like Hps or mh.." Personal experience or hearsay? Give us an example if possible; with pics? Did you run a comparison with CFL's and HPS/MH lamps? Or are you reiterating what other people are stating? That's the problem; no one thinks... We're all too stoned. :>
The image attached is Nirvana's Blue Mystic, Grown in Soil under "3" 6500 42w clf's *Vegged for 1 1/2 Months*, Flowering under "3" CFL's for (I believe the pic was 17 or 18 days after I went 12/12).
Show me a comparable flowering plant that's 17-18 days since switching to 12/12 via HPS.(give me a 400w/600W HPS flowering lady; I expect her to be what? 2x the size? twice as thick?)
As a few pointed out; it's somewhat dependent on your situation.
*For example*
I choose not to go HPS/HM because
1.) I am growing for personal consumption.
2.) I don't need to invest in a bulky item such as a CoolTube setup *Bulky in comparison to the alternate*
3.) As you noted *And I've proven to myself* You don't need a HPS/HM setup in order to enjoy the growing process.
4.) With my CFL setup; I can adjust individual CFL height.
One thing that I've noticed on this forum and others which are MJ growing orientated; Proven growing methods such as those done with a HPS setup are a dime a dozen.. As they have been around for a long time;
Mention LED's and shit hit's the fan... 99% of those people *those who do not feel LED setups can yield anything worthy of the cost of a LED* it seems have absolutely no experience with those lights, they are just blatantly saying "No, they are shit in comparison; get a HPS setup and use the LED as supplemental lighting." Of course, the guy with 25,000 posts to his name that swears by his 500 Harvests by way of HPS... " it works for him..... People assume "Look at that guy.. he knows.. If HPS has worked for him, and he/she has all this experience.. blah blah blah.. "
There are Shit HPS/HM setups out there.. Look at Craigslist; you'll see 'em.... They look like they were hand made.... Are they going to perform as well as the HPS/MH setup the guy with 25,000 posts has? No fucking way.
The same goes for LED lights.. Hobbyist/Grower can see it as an alternate due to their unique situation.
1.) Preference
2.) Space
3.) Electricity bill "LED's vs HPS.. Which do you think is cheaper?"
4.) Heat (LED's give off next to no heat in comparison to HPS/HM) etc..etc..
I personally think that, yes.. a top of the line HPS/MH setup in comparison to a top of the line LED setup; HPS wins.
Why?
Top of the line LED will cost much more then the HPS
If you can support the HPS setup; then heat is not an issue/concern
dsnutts: "CFL is a good alternative but will not produce like Hps or mh.." Personal experience or hearsay? Give us an example if possible; with pics? Did you run a comparison with CFL's and HPS/MH lamps? Or are you reiterating what other people are stating? That's the problem; no one thinks... We're all too stoned. :>
The image attached is Nirvana's Blue Mystic, Grown in Soil under "3" 6500 42w clf's *Vegged for 1 1/2 Months*, Flowering under "3" CFL's for (I believe the pic was 17 or 18 days after I went 12/12).
Show me a comparable flowering plant that's 17-18 days since switching to 12/12 via HPS.(give me a 400w/600W HPS flowering lady; I expect her to be what? 2x the size? twice as thick?)
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bigv1976
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I personally am using a CFL stealth box now after 2 HPS grows and I will say this: It is soooo much easier to do some things with CFL's. Control heat, control noise, get the plants close to the light and from what I have seen is that HPS is faster in terms of plant maturation but the end result in yeild is similar and quality is identical. I have been very impressed with the progress of my first CFL grow.
Krozone, I currently run both. My cab is 4x2x4 and it started life with 3 duel light fixtures with y sockets giving me 6 42w cfl at 2700k, 3 23w 6500 and 3 23w 2700 giving me a total of 390 actual watts and roughly 26,800 lumens at the bulb. I veged and flowered under this setu up and they were growning very very well.. I happened to be shopping at lowes and found 2 150hps security lights on clearance for 17 bucks each. I now have them in my box and it two weeks time I have noticed a huge difference in my plants I am almost OCD when in it comes to them and have noticed that they have all become more reactive to the hps set up. Please dont get me wrong if i had not ran across a smoking hot deal i would still be running the CFL! I am a firm believer that CFL produces but it depends on the circumstances. Google Dr.bud greengenes and look at his CFL set up, it you can get a stable strain like his it would be the way to go. Nobody is going to get in a pissing match with you dude was asking for opinions and thats what I gave him, you know what they say about opinions " they are like arse hoooooles everybody has one" 
again it goes back to the situation of the grower, it the cab is smaller CFL all the way but if you have a large cab are you going to load it up with cfl and get into all the wiring or by a plug and play kit? There are a lot of varables in his openended question that would need to be addressed.
dimebagdan
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the stem on that plant is hugh compared to the bud.
krozone
Well-Known Member
Well she did Veg for 1 1/2 Months and that pic is 18 days since the switch... The cola's seen in the pic are as wide as my clenched fist. the stem is as wide as my pinkey finger.
I'll take some comparative pics .vs. a lighter or something to give a better idea of that thickness.. At least I know she'll hold up her cola's without assistance. (Lot's of Air Movement in my Wardrobe)
I will get some tonight, I have been playing with DP blueberry for a long time trying to get them small for cfl growing and i think I have what i am after. I have two pheno types but one is exactly what i have been trying to get. She will get reveged and become my "mother"
dimebagdan
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yeah u have a good strong base and lots of time for your nugs to swell. just remember to turn the fan down to let the plant put all it power to the bud.
krozone
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Sorry, what do you mean? Turn the fan down?
I have the fan sitting at the top of the Wardrobe at an angle of 135. Nothing direct on the plants aside from the Intake CFM fan that sit's at the 2 foot mark in my wardrobe.
She's blowing 24/7 (the osolating fan) as are the CFM fans.
Are you recommending that I include my Osolating Fan in my 12/12 light cycle? I am not intending on putting up Stocks to support my stems; as I am hoping that she'll be able to support them on her own..
Looking forward to your response.
Thx
I have the fan sitting at the top of the Wardrobe at an angle of 135. Nothing direct on the plants aside from the Intake CFM fan that sit's at the 2 foot mark in my wardrobe.
She's blowing 24/7 (the osolating fan) as are the CFM fans.
Are you recommending that I include my Osolating Fan in my 12/12 light cycle? I am not intending on putting up Stocks to support my stems; as I am hoping that she'll be able to support them on her own..
Looking forward to your response.
Thx
dimebagdan
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no. no worries sounds like you got it down pat.guess its just genetics like thick fingers.
dimebagdan
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and maybe thick buds yeah.