Calling All Noob Growers

[cowboylogic]

Think parts 3, 4, 5.

 

[ElectricPineapple]

hmm im in those tall 5 gallon, like paint buckets you can get for like 2 bucks, they are brand new no paint. im thinking i can do that without the rubbermaid, also on the one thats trimmed, it might not work without the leaves, since you need Nitrogen to for the fermentation.

 

[cowboylogic]

Just get a tote. Took me awhile to get this cork to sink. Drowning them is tougher than you would think.

 

[cowboylogic]

Is this the way your buddy dunks them? Seemed to be the only way I could think of to drown it.

 

[riddleme]

oooh really, changing colors? what colors? also, do you think transplanting mine to buckets with no holes in the bottom and flooding them in that, after a good flush, would work

lot of purple and some like amber, and yeah should work just keep it wet

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very nice!

hmm im in those tall 5 gallon, like paint buckets you can get for like 2 bucks, they are brand new no paint. im thinking i can do that without the rubbermaid, also on the one thats trimmed, it might not work without the leaves, since you need Nitrogen to for the fermentation.

it should work just prolly not as deep of a fermentation process

Just get a tote. Took me awhile to get this cork to sink. Drowning them is tougher than you would think.

so the plant fought to live, like tried to swim lol

Is this the way your buddy dunks them? Seemed to be the only way I could think of to drown it.

no he does hydro, so just turned the pumps off and filled his tub

 

[cowboylogic]

hmm im in those tall 5 gallon, like paint buckets you can get for like 2 bucks, they are brand new no paint. im thinking i can do that without the rubbermaid, also on the one thats trimmed, it might not work without the leaves, since you need Nitrogen to for the fermentation.

The manicured plant is being dryed/cured the way I have done it for years. I have never really thought about fermentation. Just always wanted to slow the initial drying process down as much as possible. Even a trimmed and manicured plant cut into pcs. and hanging in a box. Still has alot of chemical processes taking place. Patients makes all the difference. Riddles old school way is def taking it too the next level. Edit: what light period, if any, did the old timers use once this process begins Riddle? Tried to swim would be an understatement. Ended up putting 2 bricks on the top of the pot to hold it down. Soiless mix, sphagum. Lots of perlite. Even this morning it would float around if not for the bricks. Maybe instead of querkle it should be called corkle.

 

[ElectricPineapple]

ah hahahah corkle, crack my shit up. ya that is why im thinking the bucket with no holes may work better. just keep water in there at all times as the plat sucks it up. jif it is full of water then no oxygen should be in the root mass.

 

[cowboylogic]

Ya, I think I may taken the drowning a bit too seriously. I have pots the same size without holes. I think I will make the switch.

 

[ElectricPineapple]

ya, because then you wont have your pot trying to float away haha.

just checked on the girls this morning and they have NO burning, well my WW may have a few tips looking a little burnt but will be fine. the rest loved it. this may just be me but some of my buds look a little bigger than they did when i watered last night lol.

 

[jumboSWISHER]

hey riddle,
a week ago i asked you about LSTing stretched out seedlings.
man this lil plant is crazy. i think it could be really beneficial for the plant somehow. when i asked that 7 days ago, the plant had only the first set of single bladed leaves.
look at how this thing exploding after LSTing her.

 

[Murfy]

I'm about alf way through the class. I will read more this morning.
Since i am current on this thread i will ask my question here. the research i've done on co2 enrichment seems to indicate that growth significantly slows at about 200 ppm, and below that almost stops.

So my question is this. Do you think that co2 starvation could be used to control stretch? Would this be detrimental to the "puberty stage" of the plant. Or do you think it would be still preparing for reproductive growth and just not stretching?

My brain tells me that the plant, when faced with low co2, would have to make a choice between preparing reproductive parts, and stretching. it would make sense that the plant would place reproducing ahead of new growth.

 

[riddleme]

I'm about alf way through the class. I will read more this morning.
Since i am current on this thread i will ask my question here. the research i've done on co2 enrichment seems to indicate that growth significantly slows at about 200 ppm, and below that almost stops.

So my question is this. Do you think that co2 starvation could be used to control stretch? Would this be detrimental to the "puberty stage" of the plant. Or do you think it would be still preparing for reproductive growth and just not stretching?

My brain tells me that the plant, when faced with low co2, would have to make a choice between preparing reproductive parts, and stretching. it would make sense that the plant would place reproducing ahead of new growth.

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Plant needs CO2 to live and function if you starve it, it will put more effort into making more (which it does in the dark time)

the stretch is the plant getting ready to reproduce, it is building the foundation for it's buds, best to understand this and plan for it

Plants are really good at growing to adapt to thier enviroment and doing what they need for optimum results, our job is to simply give them a proper enviroment in which to thrive, they will do the rest

 

[Murfy]

the reason i ask is because i did notice slowed growth in the first couple of days in the new room, which is sealed, with no co2 supplementation.

i hooked up a little heater, and after 3 hours on,9-12, ppm was 2800. i then shut the heater off and tested again at 8 pm(lights out) and ppm was below 200.

so the plants are using a considerable amount of co2, when it's available, but when it wasn't the plants didn't suffer, other than slowing down their stretch.
last night they grew 4 inches, after the co2 blast.
i will be running the heater for 1.5 hours, 3 times a day. heat is negligible.

the reason for the sealed room is i air condition, and am right at the threshold for cooling. if i were to introduce ambient air @ 90* i would be screwed.
the other reason is that i have no money for filters at this point, and am worried about thieves. i do have the parts to build a decent size corona generator, and will if need be, and intake/exhaust, mixing chambers have been built in but are sealed shut until time for installing ventilation.

thanks riddleme

 

[SensiStan]

just a quick question murfy, how does your ventilation work? funny question , what i mean is do u draw fresh air in with the aircon and where does it go after that ?

 

[cowboylogic]

Well, just about 48 hrs completely underwater. I am not even seeing any signs or moisture stress. I thought it would look waterlogged by now. Guess we will see what a few more days brings.

 

[Murfy]

no ventilation-
the air con recirculates ONLY, and i have no fresh air intake. the biggest fan i have right now is only 330 cfm, and that's not enough in itself to vent the room any way.

thus my need for co2 enrichment. like i said, after 3000ppm, in 8 hours the plants reduced it to less than 200. the research would indicate that the plants do respire co2 during dark period, but lack of funds has prevented me from testing. i only had two tests.

and as for making it rain, spot on. i have been using a watering schedule similar to this, and it was only a small change, but, after rain, then feeding, today the plants were DRY! so rain again. the air pots i am using will dictate a little different schedule as i lose more h20 to evaporation than normal pots, so it will need fine tuning. but like i said this is not far from what i do already, and i like it.

how i arrived at my watering technique in the first place is that this is my first serious indoor grow, i have been growing outdoors for many years, and i just tried to mimic mother nature(rain) in the room.

 

[cowboylogic]

Had a thought on the drowning process. I think it would be best to keep the pot within another container if growing in soil. Limiting the amount of water you would need to add to keep it saturated. By just continually watering the pot to keep soak would also be adding some fresh oxygen each time. Just seems logical too me. But maybe just the fact the saturated medium would pretty much halt gas exchange. Still doing the trick. Any thoughts?

 

[jumboSWISHER]

Growing pretty good, you gonna go for a circle?

i think im going to top her once she gets close to a full circle, and start topping the internodes and tieing down. shes goona be one of my mother plants if she keeps growing at this rate lol

 

[riddleme]

Had a thought on the drowning process. I think it would be best to keep the pot within another container if growing in soil. Limiting the amount of water you would need to add to keep it saturated. By just continually watering the pot to keep soak would also be adding some fresh oxygen each time. Just seems logical too me. But maybe just the fact the saturated medium would pretty much halt gas exchange. Still doing the trick. Any thoughts?

I think I have to agree with ya and kudos on haveing such a vigorous bitch, seems like she's wickin water trying to survive, is definately interesting, man I can't wait to get moved and start up again we're down to less than a week and the wait is killin me

 

[riddleme]

i think im going to top her once she gets close to a full circle, and start topping the internodes and tieing down. shes goona be one of my mother plants if she keeps growing at this rate lol

well it does seem to be growin pretty good