skunkushybrid01
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just out of interest... but wtf?
trichomes are simply hairs. lots of plants have them not just cannabis. what is the point in cut n pasting irrelevant information?
I bet you've never seen ganja like this!
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trichomes are simply hairs. lots of plants have them not just cannabis. what is the point in cut n pasting irrelevant information?
Brick Top
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I am sorry to tell you this but you need to take a reading comprehension class or two. I clearly stated "Most plants have trichomes and as I said be it duckfoot cannabis or a duckfoot cross or basil the plant should have trichomes?" Why would you reply to that saying; "lots of plants have them not just cannabis" when I had just said that "most plants have trichomes?"
What in the wide, wide world of sports was unclear to you when I said "most plants have trichomes" that caused you to reply saying; "lots of plants have them not just cannabis?"
The C&P information explains some of the functions and reasons for plants to have trichomes, though not mentioning them all and going into things like how trichomes protect plants from damaging UV light rays and how they repel some insects etc,
Also trichomes are not "simply hairs." They not only protect plants, trichomes are where THC and other cannabinods and terpenoids are produced. They are extremely intricate 'factories' for highly important elements in cannabis. If no trichomes exist at all, as was clearly stated by Duckfoot, then the plant cannot be a cannabis plant, period, thee end. If there are trichomes then it might be what it was claimed to be, though I doubt it, and then Duckfoot was only incorrect about there not being any trichomes on the plant.
I hope that was clear enough for you because I find it more than just intensely difficult to express myself monosyllabically for others ease of understanding.
Fisherman Pete
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i like how in one post the OP states that he realised it was cannabis out of complete chance a few days prior, and yet he know exactly what strain it was, where he bought it rom and when he bought it, yet didn't realise it was cannabis. what a load of tosh haha
skunkushybrid01
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skunkushybrid01
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The fact that the plant has no trich's at this stage of flower is irrelevant. some strains do not start till 5, 6 or even more weeks into the flower. Also irrelevant is your cut n paste on cell types. Hence the wtf? It doesn't help anything and simply confuses the issue.
Trichomes are hairs... hairs do a wonderful job in keeping animals warm, some life forms will even have the hairs secrete special oils... etc etc. hairs, a simple word... so trichomes are simply hairs. it's easy to remember... simple. Simply hairs. They may do a complex job as do many types of hair, but it is still simply a hair.
for the sake of argument, i don't actually think this is a LR x Duckfoot anyway. i think it is Basil.
obamasmokesweed
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the only ducks i see are the ones thinking its weed
its basil and have the same shit in my back yard and guess what no chance in hell theres a duckfoot seed in my yard
never evan herd of dat
but i have seen basil
its basil and have the same shit in my back yard and guess what no chance in hell theres a duckfoot seed in my yard
never evan herd of dat
but i have seen basil
Brick Top
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Really? You say that because the plant does not have any trichomes as of when the picture was taken and Duckfoot said there were no trichomes even though the plant is already flowering that that is "irrelevant?" Are you absolutely positive about that?
Things like you have been writing is why I so often say that growers should really consider taking some botanical courses so they can actually learn some facts rather than only relying on what they believe things to be.
Read the information below and keep your eye out for the few places that are underlined and bold. I chose the most simplistic to understand information in hopes that you, and others, will be able to understand it and then stop filling peoples heads with malarkey.
The information is not specifically about cannabis plants but that, unlike what you incorrectly claimed to be irrelevant, is actually irrelevant. For some inexplicable reason many growers refuse to accept that many botanical facts are equally accurate and applicable in regards to many or most plants, including of course cannabis, and instead seem to like to believe that cannabis is somehow outside the realm of botanical facts, that they do not equally apply to cannabis plants when they absolutely do equally apply to cannabis.
That is the reason why I often hear some of the lyrics of an OLD Bachman - Turner, Ovedrive song, "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet" running through my head while reading messages like you write. It goes; "B-B-B-Baby, you know, you know, you know, you just ain't seen nothin' yet. You need an education, got to go to school."
That is my advice to you.
Land of the Glandular Trichomes
A brief glimpse into the microscopic world of the Lamiaceae
Trichomes are specialized epidermal cells present in most plants. Glandular trichomes contain volatile oils and other secretions that are produced by the plants. In the Lamiaceae (Mint Family), there are two types of trichomes commonly found on leaves and stems: peltate and capitate.
An example of a capitate trichome from Ocimum ssp. (Lemon Basil) is shown here:
Note the obvious globular head, which can be made up of one or more cells. The head is attached to the epidermal surface by several elongated stalk cells. Essential oils build up in the head cells. Before secretions reach the outside, the head cells may release materials into a subcuticular space, which forms when the cuticle detaches from the top (apical) walls of the secretory head (Handilou et al., 1991).
An example of a peltate trichome, from the same Ocimum plant is shown here:
The stalk on the peltate trichome is very short and is actually sunk down into the epidermis. Peltate trichomes can have heads made up of dozens of cells.
All trichomes develop very early in the life of the leaf. First, a protodermal cell, prior to division, undergoes reorganization, with the nucleus migrating towards the upper (apical) end of the cell, and the bottom of the cell filling with large vacuoles. The cell then divides asymmetrically and periclinally. The lower, vacuolated cell becomes the foot cell (or cells), while the top cell undergoes another periclinal division. The bottom cell of the second division is committed to stalk cell formation, while the top cell differentiates to form the head cell or cells (Karousou et al., 1992). The head undergoes additional anticlinal divisions as necessary, depending on whether the trichome is capitate or peltate and contains numerous cells (Ascensão et al., 1995).
Since trichomes develop so early, the number of trichomes per square unit of leaf is dependent on the expansion of the leaf's epidermis, i.e. the growth of the leaf. The following photo shows the close proximity of glandular trichomes on a very young leaf of Rosmarinus officinalis (Rosemary):
Here is a photo of an epidermal peel from the abaxial surface (underside) of a leaf from Coleus:
Note that the distribution of glandular trichomes is more widely spaced and appears to be even. The pointed structures in the bottom half of the photo are non-glandular trichomes.
References
Ascensão, L., N. Marques and M.S. Pais. 1995. Glandular trichomes on vegetative and reproductive organs of Leonotis leonurus (Lamiaceae). Annals of Botany 75: 619-626. Handilou, E., S. Kokkini, A.M. Bosabalidis and J.-M. Bessière. 1991. Glandular trichomes and essential oil constituents of Calaminta menthifolia (Lamiaceae). Plant Systematics and Evolution 177: 17-26.
Karousou, R., A.M. Bosabalidis and S. Kokkini. 1992. Sideritis syriaca ssp. syriaca: glandular trichome structure and development in relation to systematics. Nordic Journal of Botany 12(1): 31-37.
skunkushybrid01
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although i agree with you that we can associate and make relationships between varying plants, i do not agree that all plants are the same, and not even all cannabis plants are the same. Some strains will not show trichomes till the 5th week of flower, other strains will be covered in them.Really? You say that because the plant does not have any trichomes as of when the picture was taken and Duckfoot said there were no trichomes even though the plant is already flowering that that is "irrelevant?" Are you absolutely positive about that?
Things like you have been writing is why I so often say that growers should really consider taking some botanical courses so they can actually learn some facts rather than only relying on what they believe things to be.
Read the information below and keep your eye out for the few places that are underlined and bold. I chose the most simplistic to understand information in hopes that you, and others, will be able to understand it and then stop filling peoples heads with malarkey.
The information is not specifically about cannabis plants but that, unlike what you incorrectly claimed to be irrelevant, is actually irrelevant. For some inexplicable reason many growers refuse to accept that many botanical facts are equally accurate and applicable in regards to many or most plants, including of course cannabis, and instead seem to like to believe that cannabis is somehow outside the realm of botanical facts, that they do not equally apply to cannabis plants when they absolutely do equally apply to cannabis.
That is the reason why I often hear some of the lyrics of an OLD Bachman - Turner, Ovedrive song, "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet" running through my head while reading messages like you write. It goes; "B-B-B-Baby, you know, you know, you know, you just ain't seen nothin' yet. You need an education, got to go to school."
That is my advice to you.
Land of the Glandular Trichomes
A brief glimpse into the microscopic world of the Lamiaceae
Trichomes are specialized epidermal cells present in most plants. Glandular trichomes contain volatile oils and other secretions that are produced by the plants. In the Lamiaceae (Mint Family), there are two types of trichomes commonly found on leaves and stems: peltate and capitate.
An example of a capitate trichome from Ocimum ssp. (Lemon Basil) is shown here:
Note the obvious globular head, which can be made up of one or more cells. The head is attached to the epidermal surface by several elongated stalk cells. Essential oils build up in the head cells. Before secretions reach the outside, the head cells may release materials into a subcuticular space, which forms when the cuticle detaches from the top (apical) walls of the secretory head (Handilou et al., 1991).
An example of a peltate trichome, from the same Ocimum plant is shown here:
The stalk on the peltate trichome is very short and is actually sunk down into the epidermis. Peltate trichomes can have heads made up of dozens of cells.
All trichomes develop very early in the life of the leaf. First, a protodermal cell, prior to division, undergoes reorganization, with the nucleus migrating towards the upper (apical) end of the cell, and the bottom of the cell filling with large vacuoles. The cell then divides asymmetrically and periclinally. The lower, vacuolated cell becomes the foot cell (or cells), while the top cell undergoes another periclinal division. The bottom cell of the second division is committed to stalk cell formation, while the top cell differentiates to form the head cell or cells (Karousou et al., 1992). The head undergoes additional anticlinal divisions as necessary, depending on whether the trichome is capitate or peltate and contains numerous cells (Ascensão et al., 1995).
Since trichomes develop so early, the number of trichomes per square unit of leaf is dependent on the expansion of the leaf's epidermis, i.e. the growth of the leaf. The following photo shows the close proximity of glandular trichomes on a very young leaf of Rosmarinus officinalis (Rosemary):
Here is a photo of an epidermal peel from the abaxial surface (underside) of a leaf from Coleus:
Note that the distribution of glandular trichomes is more widely spaced and appears to be even. The pointed structures in the bottom half of the photo are non-glandular trichomes.
References
Ascensão, L., N. Marques and M.S. Pais. 1995. Glandular trichomes on vegetative and reproductive organs of Leonotis leonurus (Lamiaceae). Annals of Botany 75: 619-626. Handilou, E., S. Kokkini, A.M. Bosabalidis and J.-M. Bessière. 1991. Glandular trichomes and essential oil constituents of Calaminta menthifolia (Lamiaceae). Plant Systematics and Evolution 177: 17-26.
Karousou, R., A.M. Bosabalidis and S. Kokkini. 1992. Sideritis syriaca ssp. syriaca: glandular trichome structure and development in relation to systematics. Nordic Journal of Botany 12(1): 31-37.
Here are some examples for you... My own though, not cut n pasted from anywhere else:
Clone 5 Weeks into Flower...
Different Clone 5 Weeks into Flower:
Still think plants start producing the trich's at the same time?
Brick Top
New Member
If you only rely on Wiki for your information then you will remain in the dark forever. One Wiki page about drying and curing cannabis claims that the entire drying and curing process only takes three days.
What does that say about the accuracy of Wiki?
Yes some trichomes are called "hairs" but some are extremely intricate organs that are totally unlike "hairs" as people think of "hairs." The confusion in part comes from there being non-glandular trichomes, that are called hairy trichomes, and glandular trichomes that are not called hairy trichomes.
People learn one small piece of information and then tend to believe they know everything there is to know, Wiki is one cause of that since it is next to worthless. In this case the misconception is that all trichomes are "hairs" when that is not the case, at least not when using actual proven and accepted botanical terminology rather than using stoner terminology.
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Bigby
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Ah, wikepedia, the font of all decent ganja information lmao.
I stand by what my original statement. The main hairs on marijuana plants are the pistils, the trichomes on marijuana look nothing like hairs, they look like glitter or crystals. Whenever anyone is talking about hairs on ganja they are talking about pistils. To start calling the trichs hairs is a route to mass confusion.
Brick Top
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Do you honestly believe that you or anyone else is capable of seeing all trichomes at all stages of their development with the naked eye or that they will be clearly visible in a photograph, or even seen when at their smallest and most spread out using the average scopes that growers use?
When scientific research was done to discover the information I have provided things like a low-vacuum scanning electron microscope (LV-SEM, S-3500 N, Hitachi, Japan) with a chamber pressure of 30 Pa and an accelerating voltage of 15 kV were used and the samples were glued into aluminium stubs and placed on a chamber stage that had been pre-cooled to − 120 °C with liquid nitrogen.
When you can duplicate that process and prove yourself to be correct I will then and only then begin to accept what you are saying. But for now I have to stick with what I have learned through reading scientific research studies and due to being one of the owners of a nursery that covers roughly 15 to 17 acres of land now and the experience that comes from that and also from what I have learned going to botanical short-courses and also because of what I have been told by three family members with degrees in botany. Oh, I guess I could also mention my nearly four decades of cannabis growing experience, a bit over 38 years now to be more precise, but then that is not actually proof so I guess it would not really be worth mentioning now would it?
And what did you rely on for your information? Wiki and what you can see when you look at plants. Gee ... now that I compare your level of expertise to mine I have to admit that I feel the fool for ever doubting you.
skunkushybrid01
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trichomes are glandular hairs...
tricho literally comes from the Greek for hair. when scientists named trichomes... why do you think they did that? just for the fuck of it?
tricho literally comes from the Greek for hair. when scientists named trichomes... why do you think they did that? just for the fuck of it?
Brick Top
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Read and learn sonny, read and learn.This shit is fun to read
skunkushybrid01
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Obviously for some... but that will always be the way unfortunately.
skunkushybrid01
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lol... so why then do you expect duckyboy to see them? You can't claim that there are no trich's on the plant as you have yourself admitted they cannot be seen with the naked eye. so you telling duckyboy there are no trich's is completely wrong...
thankyou
