Cloning made as easy as 1,2,3. (Aero Cloner)

Joker209

Well-Known Member
This aerocloner was originally designed by Epixbud and can be found here.
https://www.rollitup.org/do-yourself/212657-all-one-diy-aero-cloner.html
I made very minor alterations to my cloner for stability and humidity. For the humidity dome I used an old cake lid like the cakes you get from WinCo or other big food places. I used electric fence wire to hold the sprayer in place a little better. The poly hose my local hydro shop might be a little stiffer or softer than yours and it may not need a stabilizer.

Here is my cloner...
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Now on to the cloning you all came for.

1.) Choosing your cutting and preparing it.
:D. First things first, get a good healthy looking branch from your mother and clip it at a good 45* angle about an inch below the node, like in this picture for example.
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Good healthy green leafs and stems, no redness, not too dark green. If you get too dark of green it will usually stunt the growth because the plant had too much nutrients.
:D. You want to then take a sharp sterile razor or scalpel and take off the bottom node and this is the most likely place your cutting will sprout roots from.
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:D. If any of your cuttings have too large of leafs you may want to trim them back so the plant uses less energy keeping large leafs alive rather than growing roots. You can see an example here in this picture.
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You can also recut your 45* to allow for fresh tissue right before dipping them into rooting hormone gel, powder, or solution.
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2.) Dip and ready your cuttings for the cloner.
:D. Dip your cutting into some rooting gel or powder and insert it into a neoprene insert (using the cloner above) and insert it into the cloner.
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When inserting the clone be careful not to squeeze too hard.
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Viola it's ready for the cloner :D
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3.) Finishing touches.
:D. Place your net pot into the cloner like so.
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:D. Make sure to mist them 2-3 times a day. The cutting has no roots so it has to rely on it's leafs to take in water and light for energy in building the roots.
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:D. If you're using a humidity dome you should mist that anytime you mist your cuttings. I used a cake lid and it works great. I built another humidity dome too that I never tried because I found the cake lid was almost the exact same size as what I needed and it works great. The lids come free with a cake so if you know someone who has a birthday "hey a gift for them and you :D "
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:D. In no time at all you will have this.
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Final Notes:
Room temps should remain around 75* F for optimal cloning.
Room humidity should remain 100% if possible until cuttings show roots.
Cloning solutions usually recommend 20-30 minutes soak but I use KLN and soak an hour and it works best.
I don't use a timer on my water pump.
My lights stay on 24 hours a day and I use tube lights. Daylight bulbs 6500k I do believe they are.
I use half a teaspoon of Super Thrive and half a teaspoon of Hygrozyme in my reservoir (10 gallons is what I keep the level at)
If your pump heats the water temps up over 70 you should look for a chiller or use frozen 2 liter bottles in your res to keep the temps down.

Good luck and happy cloning. I hope this has helped some of you in your journey to successful cloning.
 

jsgamber

Active Member
Hey Joker, nice post! Quick question about Hyrgozyme. I'm not sure you've popped over to my grow journal but I have some wierdness going on with my plants. I still have brown roots in my DWC and in some parts it looks like staining from my nutes (TechnaFlora Recipe for Success Formulas) but I'm not getting the "Thrive" I was hoping for. I've been wanting to boost up the immunity of my reservoirs a bit and have been looking into Hygrozyme since I'm currently using organics. My mum rez runs at about 9L of water so I wouldn't think I'd need anymore than less than a 1/4 tsp.

In a small chamber like mine, it's easy for things to get a bit whacked out temp wise and I'm just looking at a good safety net to keep those roots happy. I do the frozen water bottle thing and my water temps stay between 65 and 70 (as low as 60 right after the ice bottle gets thrown in).

I'll be doing more research but was just wondering your feelings on it!

peace
 

Joker209

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Hey Joker, nice post! Quick question about Hyrgozyme. I'm not sure you've popped over to my grow journal but I have some wierdness going on with my plants. I still have brown roots in my DWC and in some parts it looks like staining from my nutes (TechnaFlora Recipe for Success Formulas) but I'm not getting the "Thrive" I was hoping for. I've been wanting to boost up the immunity of my reservoirs a bit and have been looking into Hygrozyme since I'm currently using organics. My mum rez runs at about 9L of water so I wouldn't think I'd need anymore than less than a 1/4 tsp.

In a small chamber like mine, it's easy for things to get a bit whacked out temp wise and I'm just looking at a good safety net to keep those roots happy. I do the frozen water bottle thing and my water temps stay between 65 and 70 (as low as 60 right after the ice bottle gets thrown in).

I'll be doing more research but was just wondering your feelings on it!

peace
I was actually having the same problem and I will have to blame it on the heat. It seems as though it causes root rot a lot faster in DWC reservoirs with the heat of summer coming then during the past few months. I have some pictures of a plant of mine before and after some heat hit. It went from 80* in there to 110* in the matter of an hour and I didn't realize there was more going on than I could see. I am still somewhat new to DWC and I hadn't seen that before in my history of growing. I washed off the roots and threw in some horticultural peroxide and it took care of the problem in a couple days. Works like a charm for root rot.
 

jsgamber

Active Member
Heat?!? I've never had that problem! NOT! :lol:

That was my first foray into building foam coolers around my reservoirs rather than taping them. 82* water and I bet my roots are still paying for it. With my coolers, even at my worst neglect, water temps never go over 75* and if I'm paying attention they stay 68*.

I've been reading that heat allows pathogens to grow, and my environment isn't yet perfectly stable, I was just wondering if Hygrozyme added to my mums and my clones would be the "ounce of prevention" I need for now.

The reason for the worry is I've seen several posts referring to it as "I grow slime" and "Hygro slime" so I just want to make sure I'm on the right track to success and not failure! But then there are those who just swear by it!

Are you using organic nutes? Like I said before, I use Techna Flora Recipe for Success and their formula right to the letter for now and haven't experimented. Here's the most recent shot of my roots (couple of days). Does this look familiar to you and did you cure it?

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Thanks for your help!
 

Joker209

Well-Known Member
You should spray the roots off with plain water then add some H2O2 to your res as well as a little bit of hygrozyme and it should clear it up pretty quickly. Another thing you could give them a dose of (very small dose) is rooting hormone (liquid works best here) and it will make the plant throw away the old damaged roots and grow clean new roots without the problem of wilt. Give this a try and see if it helps you. It has worked for me.
 

DarthD3vl

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Heat?!? I've never had that problem! NOT! :lol:

That was my first foray into building foam coolers around my reservoirs rather than taping them. 82* water and I bet my roots are still paying for it. With my coolers, even at my worst neglect, water temps never go over 75* and if I'm paying attention they stay 68*.

I've been reading that heat allows pathogens to grow, and my environment isn't yet perfectly stable, I was just wondering if Hygrozyme added to my mums and my clones would be the "ounce of prevention" I need for now.

The reason for the worry is I've seen several posts referring to it as "I grow slime" and "Hygro slime" so I just want to make sure I'm on the right track to success and not failure! But then there are those who just swear by it!

Are you using organic nutes? Like I said before, I use Techna Flora Recipe for Success and their formula right to the letter for now and haven't experimented. Here's the most recent shot of my roots (couple of days). Does this look familiar to you and did you cure it?

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Thanks for your help!


i think its the nutes i use the same thing in dwc my roots are also brown have tryed everything more air stones more water less water more heat less heat i think its the nutes im switching to house and garden aqua flakes next time its more suitable to dwc
 

DarthD3vl

Well-Known Member
You should spray the roots off with plain water then add some H2O2 to your res as well as a little bit of hygrozyme and it should clear it up pretty quickly. Another thing you could give them a dose of (very small dose) is rooting hormone (liquid works best here) and it will make the plant throw away the old damaged roots and grow clean new roots without the problem of wilt. Give this a try and see if it helps you. It has worked for me.


h2o2 i guess i need this also could you link me to something explaining what it is and what its used for please
 

jsgamber

Active Member
h2o2 i guess i need this also could you link me to something explaining what it is and what its used for please
Surely. H2O2 is Hydrogen Peroxide. Normally used as an antiseptic to clean out cuts and scrapes as well as bleach ladies hair! :) The kind you get at the pharmacy is 3% in solution and the stuff you get at the hydro store is 35% in solution. You aren't supposed to use H2O2 with organic nutes because H2O2 eats organic stuff up!

At least that's what I've read. :)
 

DarthD3vl

Well-Known Member
Surely. H2O2 is Hydrogen Peroxide. Normally used as an antiseptic to clean out cuts and scrapes as well as bleach ladies hair! :) The kind you get at the pharmacy is 3% in solution and the stuff you get at the hydro store is 35% in solution. You aren't supposed to use H2O2 with organic nutes because H2O2 eats organic stuff up!

At least that's what I've read. :)
thank you im gonna get some tomorrow, how much do you use? can you use this with the techna flora recipe for succes? dont belive its organic
 

jsgamber

Active Member
Okay did a bit more reading. Seems the Sugar Daddy and Thrive Alive components tend to colorize the roots in a hydro setup. Some people have actually stopped using those components. Upon closer inspection of my roots, I can tell the difference between the stained roots and the slimy brown roots. My Cherry AK-47 has always had nice roots is now a bit tinged brown, but they still have lots of little root hairs everywhere. Some ppl are using 3/4 strength so I think that's what I'll do.

Second thing I learned is that the line of nutes I'm using are synthetic and not organic. Hoy what an idiot! So I'm gonna start off with 3% H202 at 3ml/gallon or approx 500ppm. I'll also add H202 to any water during top off since H202 ultimately breaks down to water and Oxygen within 3 to 4 days. This is from the TechnaFlora site so I feel pretty good.

Now to go fix my spider mite infestation...never a dull moment for a MMJ grower!!

peace all
 

Joker209

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i think its the nutes i use the same thing in dwc my roots are also brown have tryed everything more air stones more water less water more heat less heat i think its the nutes im switching to house and garden aqua flakes next time its more suitable to dwc
If you're using any kind of powder in your res then you're doing it wrong. You should use plain water until the roots have a good healthy start then move to other stuff to help keep it clean and keep the roots growing. If you switch you should consider General Hydro for beginning and then Fox Farm and Bcuz when you get a little more familiar with the DWC method.
h2o2 i guess i need this also could you link me to something explaining what it is and what its used for please
H2o2 Is Hydrogen peroxide and the horticultural will do a better job because it's stronger and last longer.
Surely. H2O2 is Hydrogen Peroxide. Normally used as an antiseptic to clean out cuts and scrapes as well as bleach ladies hair! :) The kind you get at the pharmacy is 3% in solution and the stuff you get at the hydro store is 35% in solution. You aren't supposed to use H2O2 with organic nutes because H2O2 eats organic stuff up!

At least that's what I've read. :)
Yes thanks for pointing that out. The hydrogen in the peroxide will counteract your organic nutes. If you're using organic too I would recommend going with soil as less is wasted this way. If you want to go organic hydro you should be ready for a costly start.
thank you im gonna get some tomorrow, how much do you use? can you use this with the techna flora recipe for succes? dont belive its organic
Yes you can and I would recommend 1/2 - 1 cup every 2-4 days.
also this is safe during flower? im alread 4 5 weeks into flower
Hydrogen will give them a good boost that will make bud development a little easier on the plant. Give it a try.
Okay did a bit more reading. Seems the Sugar Daddy and Thrive Alive components tend to colorize the roots in a hydro setup. Some people have actually stopped using those components. Upon closer inspection of my roots, I can tell the difference between the stained roots and the slimy brown roots. My Cherry AK-47 has always had nice roots is now a bit tinged brown, but they still have lots of little root hairs everywhere. Some ppl are using 3/4 strength so I think that's what I'll do.

Second thing I learned is that the line of nutes I'm using are synthetic and not organic. Hoy what an idiot! So I'm gonna start off with 3% H202 at 3ml/gallon or approx 500ppm. I'll also add H202 to any water during top off since H202 ultimately breaks down to water and Oxygen within 3 to 4 days. This is from the TechnaFlora site so I feel pretty good.

Now to go fix my spider mite infestation...never a dull moment for a MMJ grower!!

peace all
If your plant has a well established root system you can slowly creep the nutrients up to 100-110% and should be fine. Make sure to watch your plants when adding anything more than what you've been using or you chance losing it over night... Keep an eye on the leafs and stem. If the stem starts to turn red or purple then watch those leaves very carefully. If the leaves get to be a very dark green you really want to back down on the nutes until the plant is prime again. BE WARNED! Different strains require different nutrient amounts, water amounts, and might burn at any kind of increase. I know when I was growing AK47 it had a good strong system and didn't usually have a problem with 1400-1700 ppm during veg and mid flower.
Spider mites can be taken care of! There are 2 methods I've used and gotten rid of my mites. I have a thread up for one of those techniques and the other is mixing 2 bug killing formulas that kills on contact and they stay dead. 3 Spray down's and the mites were gone. The 2 things I use are called "Take Down" which is a formula of pyrethrum and canola oil :D and the other is "Neem oil". The Take Down kills them and the Neem oil makes sure they don't come back :D Mix the 2 formulas then add about 2-3 drops of dish soap to help break down the oils and keep them in the spray :D
 
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