Who Believes In God?

[fdd2blk]

i just came across this on another board. is this true?


"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church" (1 Corinthians 14:34-35).


"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression" (1 Timothy 2:11-14).


"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their husbands in every thing" (Ephesians 5:22-24)

 

[natmoon]

i just came across this on another board. is this true?


"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church" (1 Corinthians 14:34-35).


"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression" (1 Timothy 2:11-14).


"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their husbands in every thing" (Ephesians 5:22-24)

That is totally correct fdd.
I think that we have to try to determine from all of this doctrine what parts were written by Kings,priests and general asswipes as a form of control over women and the general populous and what was actually the truth.
The search for the truth will never be easy and in my opinon only can only be found within ourselves.

I do not believe that 90% of the Bible is in anyway true at all and was more than likely rewritten by various Kings etc. over the centuries to control people and keep women down.
Marriage itself was the same as cattle branding originally,the ring was engraved with the mans initials so as to mark her,and only the women was required to honour and obey.
Women were scared into this by their fear of God.

I believe that Jesus gave and healed poor people with cannabis oils and basically went around saying be excellent to each other so they killed him.
As to all of the rest of the Bible who knows,one thing i do know is that it was,for the most part,written by rich,powerful and corrupt men to control people and women.
Look inside yourself for the truth

 

[fdd2blk]

well, if there is a god, i don't like him.

 

[natmoon]

well, if there is a god, i don't like him.

I am sure the real God wouldn't mind if he does exist or he wouldn't have give us our own free will.
Only the Devil takes this away from you

 

[nomad]

whos to say god is a he and as for the bible i think they must have had really good grass back then and a man on a hill with plenty of smoke wrote it in his spare time.

 

[natmoon]

whos to say god is a he and as for the bible i think they must have had really good grass back then and a man on a hill with plenty of smoke wrote it in his spare time.

I think that it is more likely that God would be male dominant,as in almost every natural creature the male is dominant.
Having said this i also believe that none of us are completely male or female and it is very likely that God is a perfectly balanced being of some kind,the perfect blend of male and female aspects,balanced perfectly

 

[nomad]

so no one really knows. i is jus curious thats all. i myself do not believe but if someone can come up with proper evidence that god does exist you may get a few more believers. although it has been interesting reading all the different views and arguments.

 

[natmoon]

I don't claim to know if he/she/it does exist.
I base my beliefs on the fact that life the universe and everything cannot exist and is actually impossible,leaving me only one conclusion that a higher order of some kind must in fact exist.
Wether they have anything to do with us is the real debate

 

[nomad]

nothing is impossible that is why people believe there is a god of some form ,i just choose not to believe in god
life and the universe do exist otherwise what are we.
i do not believe in god as i have never seen it ,but i do not argue with people who do believe it is there choice
i do believe on ghosts though.

 

[natmoon]

nothing is impossible that is why people believe there is a god of some form ,i just choose not to believe in god
life and the universe do exist otherwise what are we.
i do not believe in god as i have never seen it ,but i do not argue with people who do believe it is there choice
i do believe on ghosts though.

I would like to know how you propose that the universe and everything in it is actually possible?

 

[crazy-mental]

wonder if we will ever find out, as we get to know more as the years go on.
earth mite even just be a t.v show for ailiens.lol

 

[natmoon]

To my mind it would seem that if we live in an impossible universe then the answer must also be impossible because the question is.
It is just as likely that we are mini gods in training as it is that we are nothing but worthless space dust in time.

Whichever one it is i don't pretend to know,but i do know that the universe and everything in it is against the laws of physics itself and therefore not possible at all.

I know the next question will be how do i know that the universe is impossible so heres the answer.
In all life something had to come first,this in itself is impossible.
There is no question of chickens and eggs as both are impossible as neither could have come first without the other and neither can be without the other one existing first but neither can exist first so the only answer is that neither actually exists at all.

Swirl that around your stoned heads for a minute or two

 

[Wigmo]

To my mind it would seem that if we live in an impossible universe then the answer must also be impossible because the question is.
It is just as likely that we are mini gods in training as it is that we are nothing but worthless space dust in time.

Whichever one it is i don't pretend to know,but i do know that the universe and everything in it is against the laws of physics itself and therefore not possible at all.

I know the next question will be how do i know that the universe is impossible so heres the answer.
In all life something had to come first,this in itself is impossible.
There is no question of chickens and eggs as both are impossible as neither could have come first without the other and neither can be without the other one existing first but neither can exist first so the only answer is that neither actually exists at all.

Swirl that around your stoned heads for a minute or two

beautiful. existence=the greatest paradox. god exists purely becuase of the fact that the concept exists. and the concept exists purely because god exists. this is the great duality of the universe

 

[natrone23]

beautiful. existence=the greatest paradox. god exists purely becuase of the fact that the concept exists. and the concept exists purely because god exists. this is the great duality of the universe

which god are we talking about Zeus, Thor, Mithras, Buddah, The god of Abraham, Saturn, Egyptian Sun God, Mayan Gods, Inca Gods, ect

 

[natmoon]

which god are we talking about Zeus, Thor, Mithras, Buddah, The god of Abraham, Saturn, Egyptian Sun God, Mayan Gods, Inca Gods, ect

Which God is really irrelevant

 

[Wigmo]

Which God is really irrelevant

Moony knows whatsup

 

[Garden Knowm]

nothing is impossible that is why people believe there is a god of some form ,i just choose not to believe in god
life and the universe do exist otherwise what are we.
i do not believe in god as i have never seen it ,but i do not argue with people who do believe it is there choice
i do believe on ghosts though.

what if you didn't believe in ghosts?
what if you didn't dis-belive in ghosts?

what is the purpose in believing or not believing?

this is a serious question..

thank you

 

[natmoon]

what if you didn't believe in ghosts?
what if you didn't dis-belive in ghosts?

what is the purpose in believing or not believing?

this is a serious question..

thank you

All though the question was not directed at me i do have a comment i would like to make.
I think that the answer to what is the purpose in believing or not believing?,is quite simply that people want to fit in,its a herd mentality and it is programmed into them from childhood and i also believe that 90% of the world has never even bothered to question whatever doctrine they have been born into,with some doctrines even now making this punishable by death.

How can people openly question such things when they live in fear of ridicule,being driven out of their community or even death depending on where they live?

 

[Garden Knowm]

Thanks Nat..

So you suggest that people believe or disbelieve because it allows them to "fit in"..

is this correct?

 

[natmoon]

I feel that that is one of the main reasons yes.
I think it all depends on where you live.
If you live in an American city no one would bat an eyelid if you said God sucked in the street,however if you lived in a small American town the likelihood of them being very angry with you is high and possibly even ostracizing you from the rest of the community.

Then again if you lived in the middle east and you said Allah sucked in the middle of a busy town or city they would probably stone you to death.

There are however many people that truly believe because they have faith and there are those that believe because they need a crutch but i think that this is probably only about 10% and the likelihood that the majority has even dared to question the bible,its origins and exactly what rogue dictator may have had his hands on those texts over the past 2000 years is something that should be highly questioned.

I for one will kill any God,if i could,that dares to burn my children whatever mistakes they may have made and i do not believe that any God that was good would do anything of the sort assuming that is that he/she even exists.

It all seem like a load of tosh to control the masses to me.

However having said all that i choose to believe in a higher power,i also believe that whatever it is is beyond the capability of my present state of mind to understand in any way shape or form.
I choose to follow the rules of my heart which are "If you hurt someone or something for no good reason then its wrong."

I must stop typing for fear of writing a whole rant whilst stoned and having no fingers left