Balls to the Wall grow, Riddleme Gets Serious

cowboylogic

cowboylogic

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I would think any exposure to UV, especially visually could manifest into headaches and nausea. I would proceed with caution if I were you guys. Def. get a very good pair of UV blocking sunglasses.
 
gumball

gumball

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cowboylogic said:
I would think any exposure to UV, especially visually could manifest into headaches and nausea. I would proceed with caution if I were you guys. Def. get a very good pair of UV blocking sunglasses.
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thanks cowboy, will def be watching it. i have been meaning to put a pair of shade in my case. my growing so bright i gotta wear shades, ya know!!!
 
cowboylogic

cowboylogic

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riddleme said:
everything I'm finding indicates that far red and infrared are the same thing?

here is a quote from dictionary



and a pic of the entire spectrum (note the little blue green yellow red in the middle, that is where we normally play)

but infrared happens right after red and before microwaves

and here is a book link that backs up what ed was saying detailing a couple of studies that were done
http://books.google.com/books?id=lvss7MQ4pOsC&pg=PA110&lpg=PA110&dq=infrared+light+and+plants&source=bl&ots=bc12Jl-mH0&sig=KuZn3J3ZjfKe4br9v-Zq3R2p1Ng&hl=en&ei=aA3BS7mlLKKCnwfCxqyBBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CBoQ6AEwBjgU#v=onepage&q=infrared%20light%20and%20plants&f=false

here is a great explanation of what infrared heat is and how it benefits humans (I'm sure plants get similar benefits)
http://www.cronicfatiguerelief.com/why/what-is-infrared.html
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I am trying desperately to find an article I read a few years back. The gist of it was, without light from the UV wavelengths. The world we know today would not be as colorful and vibrant as it is. It was and is, a key component to the bio-diversity of the world that surrounds us.
 
skunkushybrid01

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riddleme said:
And we will see what happens? If I am correct this will very much change the way we grow indoors :hump::shock::hump:
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Thanks for that... I knew i'd read about this somewhere before. I'm doing a similar experiment... got some seedlings on a force flower now, and we got some super warm weather coming this week... going to be in the 90's. I'm expecting to see the seedlings begin flowering much sooner than they ordinarily would.

I see why you wanted me to follow this thread now.
 
riddleme

riddleme

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skunkushybrid01 said:
Thanks for that... I knew i'd read about this somewhere before. I'm doing a similar experiment... got some seedlings on a force flower now, and we got some super warm weather coming this week... going to be in the 90's. I'm expecting to see the seedlings begin flowering much sooner than they ordinarily would.

I see why you wanted me to follow this thread now.
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I do need to point out that this experiment is NOT about growing in higher heat/temp conditions it is about PROPERLY adjusting the light for what the plant needs to reach it's full potential and supplimenting INFRARED HEAT (same as the sun) at the proper temp. IOW not using the light for the heat that the plant needs
 
skunkushybrid01

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all heat is infra red. we can't see heat, it is below our visible range... below red.

I won't be using the light either... lol. I'm talking about the extra heat once the lights go down. Warmer nights... not warmer days ;)
 
DaveCoulier

DaveCoulier

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riddleme said:
everything I'm finding indicates that far red and infrared are the same thing?

here is a quote from dictionary



and a pic of the entire spectrum (note the little blue green yellow red in the middle, that is where we normally play)

but infrared happens right after red and before microwaves

and here is a book link that backs up what ed was saying detailing a couple of studies that were done
http://books.google.com/books?id=lvss7MQ4pOsC&pg=PA110&lpg=PA110&dq=infrared+light+and+plants&source=bl&ots=bc12Jl-mH0&sig=KuZn3J3ZjfKe4br9v-Zq3R2p1Ng&hl=en&ei=aA3BS7mlLKKCnwfCxqyBBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CBoQ6AEwBjgU#v=onepage&q=infrared%20light%20and%20plants&f=false

here is a great explanation of what infrared heat is and how it benefits humans (I'm sure plants get similar benefits)
http://www.cronicfatiguerelief.com/why/what-is-infrared.html
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I think the problem is there is lots of conflicting info out there. Ive found links saying far-red is between red and infrared according to wiki. While other sources say Far-Red and Near Infra red are one in the same, but Far-Red and Infrared are not the same. There are multiple subdivisions of Infrared, which is why I think saying Infrared and Far-Red are the same is confusing and misleading.

I think one may be able to say Near-Infrared and Far-Red overlap each other to an extent. Near-Infrared would appear to start at 700nm-780nm, while Far-Red starts at 700nm and ends at 780nm-800nm. Beyond 800nm we are definitely in the infrared spectrum.

Lots of confusing info out there.
 
riddleme

riddleme

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DaveCoulier said:
I think the problem is there is lots of conflicting info out there. Ive found links saying far-red is between red and infrared according to wiki. While other sources say Far-Red and Near Infra red are one in the same, but Far-Red and Infrared are not the same. There are multiple subdivisions of Infra-red, which is why I think saying Infrared and Far-Red are the same is confusing and misleading.

With all Ive read so far, I think saying Near Infrared and Far-Red are the same would be a fair assessment. Alot of the stuff Ive looked at say Far-Red starts at 700nm, which is often the same for when Near-Infra red begins.
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I have to agree, I think we can find things that would support any theory if we look long enough, or look with a closed mind, but as I said earlier it really does not affect the experiment as it relates to adding heat to allow for proper light adjustments with heat suplimentation

so I think I will simply follow the path and see where it leads???
 
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Illumination

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riddleme said:
I have to agree, I think we can find things that would support any theory if we look long enough, or look with a closed mind, but as I said earlier it really does not affect the experiment as it relates to adding heat to allow for proper light adjustments with heat suplimentation

so I think I will simply follow the path and see where it leads???
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I might suggest that "we" identify what the particular frequencies are which "we" believe to cause the effects we are looking for and speak in the terminology of frequencies rather than hoping the vernacular accurately conveys what exactly we are referring to as to far red and what are infrared.

Hello Dave, I wish to take the time to tell you that I have lurked for quite a while before ever writing anything and I am pleased to see you in our lil "fold"... I have found you very knowledgeable and wise as to growing etc. as it seems with the rest of the friends gathered here. There will be great learning sharing of good accurate info along with an abundance of common sense to make it work. This is coming together awesomely Mr. Riddle as Dave's as well as Desert's, Cowboy's, hell everyone's presence affirms. We need UB to pop up now:bigjoint:

Namaste':eyesmoke:
"A state licensed personal medical grow...Thank you":peace:
 
desertrat

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It has been my experience that open minds lead to full wallets.

I was serious about investing in a light meter company.
 
SensiStan

SensiStan

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DaveCoulier said:
I think the problem is there is lots of conflicting info out there. Ive found links saying far-red is between red and infrared according to wiki. While other sources say Far-Red and Near Infra red are one in the same, but Far-Red and Infrared are not the same. There are multiple subdivisions of Infrared, which is why I think saying Infrared and Far-Red are the same is confusing and misleading.

I think one may be able to say Near-Infrared and Far-Red overlap each other to an extent. Near-Infrared would appear to start at 700nm-780nm, while Far-Red starts at 700nm and ends at 780nm-800nm. Beyond 800nm we are definitely in the infrared spectrum.

Lots of confusing info out there.
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My understanding of it, and i think i might be right. Is that Infra red and Far red are one and the same sorta. As you said Dave there are many different types of infra red. Far-red simply indicates the far end of the red spectrum which as you correctly said manifensts itself in the form of heat whereas Infra red couldent generate the tiniest bit of heat.

Heres where i get my info i'm rather sure these guys know what theyre on about even if it is for kids sometimes that makes it easier :D

http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/infrared.html
 
DaveCoulier

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SensiStan said:
My understanding of it, and i think i might be right. Is that Infra red and Far red are one and the same sorta. As you said Dave there are many different types of infra red. Far-red simply indicates the far end of the red spectrum which as you correctly said manifensts itself in the form of heat whereas Infra red couldent generate the tiniest bit of heat.

Heres where i get my info i'm rather sure these guys know what theyre on about even if it is for kids sometimes that makes it easier :D

http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/infrared.html
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I came across that link earlier when googling :).

Im not sure where I mentioned heat in that post you quoted. Plus infrared does generate heat, or were you referring to near infrared?
 
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Illumination

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desertrat said:
It has been my experience that open minds lead to full wallets.

I was serious about investing in a light meter company.
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Hell why not develop our own and get some Chinese giant to make it for us dirt cheap and we'll all do awesome?

Left an idea on your thread for one

Namaste':eyesmoke:
"A state licensed personal medical grow...Thank you":peace:
 
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farmboss

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riddleme said:
The spectrum of most HPS lights sucks IMO as far as plants are concerned and the plant can only process so much light.
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whoa, my HPS light and plants would beg to differ. no need for anything but an HPS.

when was the last time you saw a deficiency guide and they said "your problem is only using an HPS light"... never.

also, the people on this forum who say shit like "400watts? thats your problem, you need at least 1000" would also probably argue that anything under 800 is never too much (given proper distance from light)
 
cowboylogic

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farmboss said:
whoa, my HPS light and plants would beg to differ. no need for anything but an HPS.

when was the last time you saw a deficiency guide and they said "your problem is only using an HPS light"... never.

also, the people on this forum who say shit like "400watts? thats your problem, you need at least 1000" would also probably argue that anything under 800 is never too much (given proper distance from light)
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ha........
 
Rocky Mountain High

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farmboss said:
whoa, my HPS light and plants would beg to differ. no need for anything but an HPS.

when was the last time you saw a deficiency guide and they said "your problem is only using an HPS light"... never.

also, the people on this forum who say shit like "400watts? thats your problem, you need at least 1000" would also probably argue that anything under 800 is never too much (given proper distance from light)
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How, exactly, do you KNOW your plants beg to differ? Have you run the HPS side by side with CMH? Until then, sorry Bo, you don't know diddly !

Riddleme has done extensive research, as he would say 'shoving lumens up the plants ass don't make it grow'. I'll take 2 400w CMH over a 1000w HPS anyday !

It's very very easy to see, when you look at PAR values and spectrums.
 
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