Why not round?

[Serapis]

You're missing the point of what I said. You need to read stuff better.

Aren't you the same guy that told someone he had to paint his black duct white? Don't deny it, I can go pull your stupid ass quote. And when he asked why, your explanation was " Just cause, it would be better"

Look dude, you give some shit advice on here. I'd suggest you sit back and read. You didn't specify you would buy the cheaper poly, you specifically said you would use the money "for other stuff"...

Then you tell me to read better... perhaps if you wrote clearer......

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

I really like the permaflect its really scrublable and difusses the light perfectly no hot spots at all here is a link http://shop.bkfarms.com/permaflect-25-x-54/?source=googlebase

Unlike traditional mylar Permaflect can be wiped clean for long-lasting reflectivity. Giant size roll is 54″ wide, a full 6 inches wider than the rest. Highly reflective & reinforced for durability! 25′ & 100′ length Wall & floor covering or room divider Mesh increases diffusion – no hot spots

 

[Serapis]

My edit The orca is more expensive but light tight and 11 mil. Sounds tough. I'm attempting to secure a small sample.

Panda Poly is 5.5 or 6 mil that I have seen and both are light tight. The only real advantage to the Orca appears to be reflectivity, but then only by 4%. If it is double the cost of Panda Poly, I wouldn't pay it. Some people like mylar. For conventional HID lighting, I agree with them. For LED, it's panda poly for me. Plus the poly can be disinfected and wiped clean.

 

[Serapis]

I really like the permaflect its really scrublable and difusses the light perfectly no hot spots at all here is a link http://shop.bkfarms.com/permaflect-25-x-54/?source=googlebase

Unlike traditional mylar Permaflect can be wiped clean for long-lasting reflectivity. Giant size roll is 54″ wide, a full 6 inches wider than the rest. Highly reflective & reinforced for durability! 25′ & 100′ length Wall & floor covering or room divider Mesh increases diffusion – no hot spots

Another new alternative. That is better than mylar as you stated simply because you can wipe it off. And the extra 6" should excite some people..

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

Another new alternative. That is better than mylar as you stated simply because you can wipe it off. And the extra 6" should excite some people..

here is what the permaflect looks like in my cab with a 400w ceramic metal hylide

 

[Serapis]

that first picture is nearly blinding, lol. Good looking stuff. Are you having to mail order it or pick it up local?

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

that first picture is nearly blinding, lol. Good looking stuff. Are you having to mail order it or pick it up local?

Local hydro shop.. its pretty good stuff I like it.. its bright everything is coverd from the floor to the ceiling I try to get the most out of my 54,000 lumens

 

[Serapis]

I thank when you were taught in school, the skill of comprehension must have been over your head. You are definitely lacking in that regard.

Dude, go back and look at some of the advice you have given since you joined how many days ago? You give BS advice, you argue about semantics and specific words.....

I know what you said.... You told a dude to paint his fucking black duct white. When asked to explain your asinine advice, you said, because it's better..... You don't have a fucking clue.

And above you stated you would forgo poly to "buy other stuff for my grow room".

I'm working on a four year degree and I can read and comprehend quite fucking well thank you. Two straight years on the University President's list assures me I'm correct. Thanks for your concern, now shoo fly, and get yourself some knowledge in these threads and quit giving out BS advice like painting black duct white.... of all the asinine things I have read on here, you are taking the fucking cake.

 

[oOBe RyeOo]

Dude, go back and look at some of the advice you have given since you joined how many days ago? You give BS advice, you argue about semantics and specific words.....

I know what you said.... You told a dude to paint his fucking black duct white. When asked to explain your asinine advice, you said, because it's better..... You don't have a fucking clue.

And above you stated you would forgo poly to "buy other stuff for my grow room".

I'm working on a four year degree and I can read and comprehend quite fucking well thank you. Two straight years on the University President's list assures me I'm correct. Thanks for your concern, now shoo fly, and get yourself some knowledge in these threads and quit giving out BS advice like painting black duct white.... of all the asinine things I have read on here, you are taking the fucking cake.

Dude, maybe you should go like I've suggested to you before. Who cares if I told a guy to paint his ducting white? You were they only person to even say anything about it. Who cares if I've only been on here a month? (fyi this is my second account, I forgot my password to the account I made back in 2008, sorry for forgetting the password)

It really floors me that you could have made it on "University President's list" once because you can't even grasp the concept of sentence structure.

Now go smoke some fucking bud and chill the fuck out you little kid!

 

[Serapis]

Dude, maybe you should go like I've suggested to you before. Who cares if I told a guy to paint his ducting white? You were they only person to even say anything about it. Who cares if I've only been on here a month? (fyi this is my second account, I forgot my password to the account I made back in 2008, sorry for forgetting the password)

It really floors me that you could have made it on "University President's list" once because you can't even grasp the concept of sentence structure.

Now go smoke some fucking bud and chill the fuck out you little kid!

I suspect that you are the kid. Anyone knows that when you lose a password, you click on the password assistance link and retrieve it, you don't just start another account, unless you are a kid that doesn't know better.

As for painting that duct white, that was asinine advice that also showed you haven't been around long and didn't know. and yes, other people did ridicule your answer, go look the thread up again, you never responded after you were called a dumb ass.

I've got straight A's thanks very much, for the last two years. I don't even know why I'm having to explain myself to a kid, but your sentence structure sucks. As I suggested several times already, get the fuck off my back you monkey and go your own way, I'll go mind. We don't care for each other, plain and simple, and should avoid each other. At least I was fucking talking about the god damn topic at hand when i was being a smart ass on this thread earlier.... All you are doing now is just fucking arguing.

shoo fly..... shoo.....

And quit giving others stupid ass advice.... If you don't know, don't answer the thread, just sit back and read it until a good answer comes up, then you will know.

I also recommend any indoor growing book by Ed Rosenthall, especially Closet Cultivator and Marijuana Success Indoors. Some of the info is dated a bit, but it's a start and will provide you with ACTUAL knowledge of indoor growing. At least then you won't tell people to paint their damn ducting white....

 

[T.H.Cammo]

Actually a vertical light utilizes MORE light because it emits it directly at the walls, bouncing it all around the grow room... This is the technique that dispensaries use to generate more side growth and yield up to a couple pounds per indoor plant...

Really? Perimeters are useful? Because if I tell you my grow space has a 20 ft perimeter, you can tell me how many plants I can put in? This is elementary school geometry, lol, you CANNOT determine the area of a space simply by knowing the perimeter... A 20 ft perimeter could be a 1 X 9 (9 square feet), 2 X 8 (16 square feet), or 5 X 5 (25 square feet)... So, how many plants, and how many lights? 9, 16 or 25? 400, 600 or 1KW? See, it is useless, just as a circumference is.

I'll tell you how it could be more efficient, though I already said it: Since there wouldn't be corners, the reflective material on the walls of the room would be closer to the light, thus reflecting more. This means better light penetration/intensity, which = more side growth and a better yield. I wanna see someone do this.

Remember what I said back in post 64? Remember: "You can't teach an old dog new tricks, and you can't teach a dumb dog nothin'!". You also can't have a logical discussion with someone who uses their own negotive opinion as a misguided subterfuge. I think the "dumb dog" analogy fits this situation very well!

He has already quoted all sorts of scientific and mathimatic nonesense and now he is using his "Pretzel Logic" to infer that "round is wrong" because Ed Rosenthal or George Cervantes don't endorse the idea. What a load of simple minded crap! The truth is that no guru speaks out against the round shape - nowhere do they say it is wrong! Probably because it is not practical to build or economical to mass produce.

All the reasons that oppose the round shape seem to be based on personal opinions about "practicality", as opposed to the actual "Working Merits" of the concept.
1. The "Practical Opposition's" main argument is that it would waste space in a "conventional square world".
My responce is "So (Fucking) What? If you live in a tiny, square, room; then you probably shouldn't build a big, round, tent that fills up your space - I get that, I really do. But I have plenty of space to "waste" and I'll be damned if I'm going to listen to some Ya-hoo's who think they have the expertese to tell me how I should use it! The whole premise of my design calls for a "round" floor, that's my choice and I'm not asking for your approval, or opinion - it's just a "given". Given the round floor, a cylendrical structure makes sense - of course you are entitled to your own opinion. But I really couldn't care less, because you don't present any substancial reason why a round shape wouldn't work. The only argument you make, that really makes sense, is that a "Dome Shape" would limit vertical clearance around the circumferance. Okay, I'll buy that - but how about a Silo Shape?
By "Silo Shape" I mean cylendrical sides, with a "Domed Roof/Cieling" that could act as a "Parabolic Reflector". The "Roof/Cieling" could actually be detached from the cylendrical walls and fit neatly inside them (so that the parabolic reflector could be raised and lowered as needed). If a little wasted space isn't really a biggie for someone - the "Round" shape starts to make more sense for some people, those with "Open Eyes"!
2. The other main argument against the "Round Shape" is that they are too difficult to build (DIY style. And that is probably the same reason why they are hard to find commercially, too expensive to produce)!
My responce to that is, "That's just the way it is - you gotta do what you gotta do!". If it's too hard for you to figure out, then you shouldn't build one! But I ain't lettin' that stop me! Half the fun is figuring out the "wrinkles"! The point to all this is whether or not a "Round Grow Tent" will work (and hopefully work well!).

I don't care if it's inconvenient (to build or to fit in a room) and I don't care if it wastes a little space (after all, it's my space). The real issue here is "What principles are broken that would prevent a cylendrical grow tent from functioning properly?". I beleive that is what the OP was really asking in the first place, by his title "Why Not Round?". So, it makes no difference if you, or I, want one or not! The real question (for all the marbels) is, "Will it work, or not, and if not - why not?".

So here's the bottom line, I challange all you "Naysayers" to give serious answers to my two questions:
1. What principles are broken that would prevent a cylendrical grow tent from functioning properly?
2. Will it work, or not, and if not - why not?

This is your chance to dig deep into your knowledge and show us all what you are really made of. So, what will it be, "Wise Guru" or "Wisecracking Juvenile (full of shit)"? Are you up to it?

 

[Serapis]

Here is something I've been thinking of, is the lighting. your lights can only be so far from the plants before the light dissipates. Each type of reflector puts off a different "footrpint" if you will. It was suggested that parabolic reflectors be used. So, based on that, here is an attachment that represents a round grow room with three lights. The red circle is the grow room wall and the blue circles are optimum light from parabolic hoods. The unlit spaces are not getting the required lighting and some spaces are getting more than enough.

A square or rectangular room by comparison, using rectangular hoods has no wasted light. The only reason to even consider a round growing room would be if you could make it more efficient. the original poster suggested a dome or a circular room. We shot the dome down quickly for obvious reasons, ceiling height. The circular room has lighting issues... You are going to have to use more lights than necessary in a circle vs a standard grow space that is rectangular or square.

This is the primary reason for my being against the idea.

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

You could do a small scale set up for expermental fun... say one plant inside a 55 gallon drum lined with mylar with a 250w hps with parblolic reflector at the top... just a thought....

 

[T.H.Cammo]

Your whole post #132 is the exact reason I propose using a rotating floor - for the light mover effect! Just aim the multiple light footprints where they do the most good (provide the best coverage) and rotate the floor. Problem solved!

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

You guys just made me break out PAINT BRUSH for 55 gallon setup I call it the LIGHT TUBE muhhahaha

 

[T.H.Cammo]

You could do a small scale set up for expermental fun... say one plant inside a 55 gallon drum lined with mylar with a 250w hps with parblolic reflector at the top... just a thought....

The parabolic cieling/reflector idea isn't really part of my plan, it was just something I threw out there.

But I bet that the footprints of 3 bulbs, under a "Half Domed" parabolic reflector wouldn't look anything like what Serapis shows in post #132. Those look like straight perpendicular spotlights.

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

The parabolic cieling/reflector idea isn't really part of my plan, it was just something I threw out there.

But I bet that the footprints of 3 bulbs, under a "Half Domed" parabolic reflector wouldn't look anything like what Serapis shows in post #132. Those look like straight perpendicular spotlights.

It wasnt directed towards you just throwing ideas around ....

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

I just added Dyson cyclonic action to the light tube set up

 

[i8urbabi]

you know since we are all just throwing shapes and stuff, a diamond shape could be useful if you had a jeweler at hand to do all the math.... Then capture sunlight in a jar... and open it up at the flat top of the diamond shape and wooooosh right before your eyes growth. im sure we can get someone on here to do the math??? even kryptonite might work for a good light source know what i mean?

just try a parabolic refelector before wasting money on a unscaled plan. might workout for you who knows

 

[G.J. Stoner]

Don't take this the wrong way, SCOTTYBALLS. Your really scratching my itch with your Dyson Cyclonic Grow Tube.

Anyone have the resources to try this? I'm fascinated. Would love to see what kind of results this thing could produce.

I just added Dyson cyclonic action to the light tube set up