My Understanding Thus Far On Why We Are All Here

[3waterleaves]

Hi All,

I'm a long time reader first time poster.

I wanted to share with you my understanding thus far as to why I am here on this earth, in the hope that I may reach some others that have the same yearning for higher truth as I have always had.

I'll do it in point form so as not to ramble on.

1. I have always felt different from the norm, not in a negative or isolated sort of way (maybe when I was younger), just different in a good way (which I now see).

2. I have always felt a connection to animals and nature, when I was young I always used to rescue bugs from spider webs and similar things like that. I really love beautiful scenery and lookouts, I can literally feel the peace.

3. I was born vegetarian (my parents choice at the time, they eat meat now) but when old enough I never took up the eating of our fellow animals for compassionate reasons.

4. From a very young age I believed in reincarnation and there being more to life than just being born, living and dying once off.

5. I believe that we create and are resonsible for every circumstance or event that happens to us in our lives....whether we see it or not. You may say...but I didn't deserve to be mugged I was just walking on the street, that maybe true but you still made the choice to walk on the street, at that particualr time, did you not? Also believing in reincarnation I think you may be paying for something you've done in a previous existence. Take responsibility and LEARN.

6. I think we should all learn from any circumstance or event especially that shakes us profoundly or even just makes us think a little, as if we don't history has a very definate way of repeating. Learn and you do not have to relearn, unless you forget.

7. I think of this world (which I believe to be one of many physical worlds in this universe) as a school, and most of us are at different stages in this school, learning specific leassons for us to be able to go on the the next grade or year as ultimately we all should be striving to graduate (or become better people and spirits). Possibly, when we have learnt all there is to learn from this earth plane will will graduate to another physical or spiritual world.

8. Any good and bad in life, is part of the same energy, yin and yang, karma, negative and positive it is all one in the same, depending how you look and percieve things. (from any negative experiance you have, I guarantee something good can come from it).

9. As I become more open and my spirit grows, I find myself meeting more and more people of the same likeness, which is totally awesome.

10. We all are born naked, and thus should die naked. (do not hold onto or become obsessed with material things as this will hinder your spiritual progress) We will die with NOTHING MATERIAL in the end, so be smart and realise this. I'm sure your smart even if you don't.

11. Truth for me, may not be truth for you, but that by no means that either truth is not truth there is many different truths out there, on different levels and topics.

12. As we are all here, in our different stages or grades of this schools, refer to number 11 again and also realise if you are in University, it is not wise to tell your gradeschool friend all your answers, this may hinder them more than you both realise, be respectful of everyone and know that that will learn thier OWN lessons in time, as they need to and wish to.

13. One VERY IMPORTANT part of opening up to spirituality is knowing how to control and recognise your ego. The ego is all that is materialistic about you, (I, ME, WANT, BETTER THAN, PRIDE, JUDGEMENT, WORRYING ABOUT WHAT OTHERS THINK - are all part of the ego side of you. Ego (materialism) and spiritualism (true self/higher self) must be seperated to achieve real progress. Recognize that and start living from the spirit. Accept and respect everything.

14. Rely on NO-ONE, for NOTHING.

14. I'm tired and will continue another time, have a think, a ponder and read this. If it connects with you on any level and gets you thinking about the real issues in life (not about what you look like in the mirror or how much money is in your bank account) then that is all I could have asked for.

If I do not continue this thread and you wish to know more I have heaps of useful ebooks and hardbook recommendations that I'd love to give you and or discuss with you, as we are all one

PM me sometime.

PEACE, LOVE AND HAPPINESS TO ALL

 

[skunkushybrid]

Yes we are, even plants.

Originally there was only one living thing. this was what people may term as god. I do not agree with vegetarianism, as this hurts plants.

all life is one...

 

[3waterleaves]

Yes we are, even plants.

Originally there was only one living thing. this was what people may term as god. I do not agree with vegetarianism, as this hurts plants.

all life is one...

Hi Skunkushhybrid,
You seem very absolute in your answer, and good for you as you seem to really believe what you believe. I would agree that every living thing and every non living thing has all come from the same source of energy or "god" and I believe it is our destiny to one day merge back with that primary energy. But not before we have evolved enough to do so, as I think it would be the purest energy imagineable. I think as human beings we are far from being that pure.

When you say you don't believe in vegetarianism I think thats interesting for you to say, but I have to ask why. As in I have to ask myself why you would say that as your answer "as this hurts plants" does not quite do it for me. I'm asking myself if you care for plants that much, then there is no way you would eat anything animal related, as it is proven that animals can feel pain and that is one of the reasons I am vegetarian. I think it's totally wrong as humans to impose our will over animals, just so we can have a feed. If the animal were to die of natural causes, well that would be different, although I myself still could not bring myself to eat the flesh of something that once had it's own will, it's own feelings. But thats just me.

So, if you don't believe in vegetarianism because it hurts plants, then obviously you don't believe in meat eating either, right? Or is your answer just a means to justify your eating of meat?

I can't imagine what you would eat if you didn't eat plants, or animals ?

I invite all to read and discuss this thread, and please don't take anything personally here as thats not my intention....for anyone. I'm after some progressive discussion that could benefit all that read this.

Peace out.

 

[HippyVibes]

Skunk if full of little white mice hahaha

 

[natmoon]

Anything alive feels pain when you harm or kill it,even a plant,you should have respect for anything that you consume,even a carrot.

Just because someone is mugged doesn't mean they deserved it from another life's guilty concious as you cannot judge them as they may be a totally innocent victim of a new crime committed against an innocent by an offender,you do not know the difference between these 2 so you cannot assume anything as it is not yours to know.

I can see that your outlook is that the universe is fair and balanced.
I think that you are very wrong and that even if the universe itself is balanced the earths nature is not and nature can seem to be very cruel if you try to humanize it with our emotions.
Nature is pure chaos with a logical path of genetic redesign and perfection.
Nothing else matters to nature except evolution.

It will destroy anything and anyone in its way without thought or emotion.
Nature is not human and has nothing to do with humans.
It is merely a process,a function.

Its cool to imagine that we can lie down on a beach and be at one with the earth and nature but sure as shit if you don't get out of the way of the sea when it comes in it will kill you mercilessly and without thought.
You should never try to emotionalize nature with the human element,if you do you will only end up disappointed.

It may be true that the planet itself has a soul and it may well also be true that we can connect to it if we try but even if that is all true i believe that the soul of the planet would have as little control over its elemental forces as you do over the functions of your own digestive system.

I of course may be talking shit as i haven't slept for 36 hours

 

[skunkushybrid]

Although i believe the explosion of life is different to the explosion of the universe, they are still really the same thing.


Everything is one, even plants and the germs you try so desperately to kill. Life is life is life, if you're going to kill one for food, why not kill another?

Your perception is wrong, we have not evolved to where we are today through eating vegetation. You think you're better than a meat eater? More spiritual because you choose to kill plants instead?

Hypocrite.

 

[undertheice]

....it is proven that animals can feel pain and that is one of the reasons I am vegetarian. I think it's totally wrong as humans to impose our will over animals, just so we can have a feed....

pain and death are a natural part of life and to seek to place yourself above the natural order seems to me to be among the greatest examples of the hubris of humanity. the more powerful feeds upon the weaker, this is the nature of existence and man is no exception. it would seem that to do so with kindness would be the greater goal, instead of taking yourself out of the loop entirely and denying your rightful place within the world you are a part of.

i realize that it is tempting to consider yourself somehow superior by this act of denial, but that feeling of superiority would seem contrary to the concept that all is of equal worth. you are a part of all and denying your given role denies everything else their roles.

 

[kayasgarden]

hey i have an idea lets teach all the meat eating animals and such on this planet to eat only vegetation!!!!!!! I feel a connection in many of the feelings you have about nature in general but in nature you have this amazing thing called the food chain!!!

 

[undertheice]

many years ago i knew a man who had a wolf. he raised that wolf on grains and vegetables, hoping to change its nature. the first chance she got, the wolf escaped and was last seen eating a small neighborhood dog.

 

[3waterleaves]

Anything alive feels pain when you harm or kill it,even a plant,you should have respect for anything that you consume,even a carrot.

Just because someone is mugged doesn't mean they deserved it from another life's guilty concious as you cannot judge them as they may be a totally innocent victim of a new crime committed against an innocent by an offender,you do not know the difference between these 2 so you cannot assume anything as it is not yours to know.

I can see that your outlook is that the universe is fair and balanced.
I think that you are very wrong and that even if the universe itself is balanced the earths nature is not and nature can seem to be very cruel if you try to humanize it with our emotions.
Nature is pure chaos with a logical path of genetic redesign and perfection.
Nothing else matters to nature except evolution.

It will destroy anything and anyone in its way without thought or emotion.
Nature is not human and has nothing to do with humans.
It is merely a process,a function.

Its cool to imagine that we can lie down on a beach and be at one with the earth and nature but sure as shit if you don't get out of the way of the sea when it comes in it will kill you mercilessly and without thought.
You should never try to emotionalize nature with the human element,if you do you will only end up disappointed.

It may be true that the planet itself has a soul and it may well also be true that we can connect to it if we try but even if that is all true i believe that the soul of the planet would have as little control over its elemental forces as you do over the functions of your own digestive system.

I of course may be talking shit as i haven't slept for 36 hours

I agree, that all should be respected, even carrots. I didn't realize plants had pain receptors, or that they express that they are explicitly feeling pain, that's news to me. I guess we really do learn something new each day, thanks for the insight.

I never said they deserved it or that it was definately from a previous karmic action or life, I was just trying to shed some insight as to why things possibly happen sometimes seemingly for no reason (just because you can't see the reason or cause). When people see things in black and white they fail to see they huge grey area of life and can possibly start blaming everyone else for thier problems. Just take responsiblity for everything that happens to you, learn from it, move on and better youself.

I do think that the universe is fair and balanced and has no favoritism, I also think that the people, spirits, and beings ARE NOT ot so fair and balanced. Hence (I think the reason for universal law) karma.

Try meditating one day my friend and you will notice that being one with the earth and universe is not in your imagination, and if the sea was going to be crazy that day, you'd have a "feeling" or hunch or whatever you want to call it, not to go to the beach that day, unless of course it was your time, even them you may get the feeling, and simply ignore it. I do believe you should have great respect for nature or it may just "kill you" one day.

I think the main thing we can gain from nature, is to learn from it. Sure animals kill each other in the food chain, and man (I think) has MISTAKINGLY put himself at the top. If we look at nature, we see that animals kill other animals in order to survive, or to protect.

WE AS HUMANS DO NOT NEED TO KILL ANIMALS TO SURVIVE, I'm sure we have all heard the studies that vegetarians live longer, be it true or not it goes to say that we can live perfectly without eating the flesh of animals, I myself am a prime example as well as the millions of other vegetarians out there.

Like I said, we are all at different stages of spiritual and human evolution, I no way expect you to understand where I'm comming from or understand what I say and be able to fit it into your existence. All I can do is try my best to understand where you are comming from and reply accordingly.

Thanks for your input, I really appreciate it, and damn man, get some sleep.

 

[3waterleaves]

Although i believe the explosion of life is different to the explosion of the universe, they are still really the same thing.


Everything is one, even plants and the germs you try so desperately to kill. Life is life is life, if you're going to kill one for food, why not kill another?

Your perception is wrong, we have not evolved to where we are today through eating vegetation. You think you're better than a meat eater? More spiritual because you choose to kill plants instead?

Hypocrite.

MY PERCEPTION IS WRONG ? To who, you? Well thats great buddy, each to his own. So you think man's evolution is all good, proper and great do you? Just take a look around, just for a second. Wow, is has been accepted throughout known time, so lets just stick with that shall we, get comfortable in that little rut thats so easy to do?

When you say, we kill one thing, so why not just kill another, to me that speaks voumes about your inner self, which in no way am I or have I tried to personallu attack, please believe that.

But its not a very wise statement, plants, herbs and veges do not walk around, have a will of thier own or as far as I can tell express that they can feel pain. Animals on the other hand do and my problem with it is when we have these slaughter houses we (man) are expressing our will over anothers that I do not agree with. I don't think if any animal knew it was about to get killed, would simply walk into that slaughter house, bow down and wait for its head to be chopped off, and its guts to be ripped out, do you, really ? Simple enough for you ?

When have I ever said I am better than a meat eater (looks through) um, no, nowhere. I think perhaps your perception may be flawed on that one.

I don't want to say that because I see things from a more compassionate point of view that I am more spiritual than you are, but perhaps more evolved (learned) in relation to the connectedness (is that even a word) that all living beings have with one another, it is, undeniable.

If it makes you happy to call me a hyprocrite, so be it and I'll love you all the more (unconditionally) for expressing your will and attitude.

Peace Brother

 

[3waterleaves]

pain and death are a natural part of life and to seek to place yourself above the natural order seems to me to be among the greatest examples of the hubris of humanity. the more powerful feeds upon the weaker, this is the nature of existence and man is no exception. it would seem that to do so with kindness would be the greater goal, instead of taking yourself out of the loop entirely and denying your rightful place within the world you are a part of.

i realize that it is tempting to consider yourself somehow superior by this act of denial, but that feeling of superiority would seem contrary to the concept that all is of equal worth. you are a part of all and denying your given role denies everything else their roles.

In Regards to men being more powerful, therefor we should prey and eat the weaker, well, hell why not just eat other humans? Animals eat other animals of the same type, right ?

I don't have a feeling of superiority either, just a different view and outlook to yours. When did I say anything about superiorty, your the only one mentioning it, thanks. LOL, just kidding.

Peace to you as well my man

Very insightful, cheers.

 

[3waterleaves]

hey i have an idea lets teach all the meat eating animals and such on this planet to eat only vegetation!!!!!!! I feel a connection in many of the feelings you have about nature in general but in nature you have this amazing thing called the food chain!!!

Yes, amazing isnt it ! Amazing that men have the choice to kill, whereas animals (I feel) do it more out of subconcious impulse for a yearning to survive or protect.

Ok then Mr food Chain, lets see you go out and slaughter your next cow that you have on your Maccas burger, well? Oh no its easier to to pay someone to do it for you, huh? Amazing food chain these days, really and trully amazing

 

[3waterleaves]

many years ago i knew a man who had a wolf. he raised that wolf on grains and vegetables, hoping to change its nature. the first chance she got, the wolf escaped and was last seen eating a small neighborhood dog.

If that story is true, whats your damn point. It was a wolf, I am talking about humans and thier spirits here. Is anyone else talking about wolves?

I see what your saying about things having a nature of thier own, and it's perhaps not wise to try and interfere with that nature, but my friend....we have CHOICES and we dictate or nature, be it good or bad. We must not forget that our environmental surroundings (friends family and so on) also have a big effect on our nature but the mere fact that we can see that, is what makes us hugely different from the rest of nature.

Have a nice day bud

 

[undertheice]

If that story is true, whats your damn point. It was a wolf, I am talking about humans and their spirits here. Is anyone else talking about wolves?

are we really any different than the wolves? our minds enable us to survive when our frail bodies fail us, but otherwise we are we are of the same predatory nature. though we may over complicate our world with metaphysical nonsense and airy fantasies concerning invisible creatures; we are still a part of nature and one of our roles is to kill and devour, just as our final role is to die and become the feast. though we have the choice of how we kill, kill we must.


by the way:
the story is actually true; though, in all honesty, the dog in question had already been killed by a passing motorist.

 

[skunkushybrid]

Exactly, just as we devour vegetation, it will one day devour us... on and on and on.

Animals on farms are 'farmed' for the purpose of food. If not for the purpose of food the cows would not exist.

You think animals are different to plants, this is not life being one. If you've never communicated with a plant how do you know it does not feel? And what of the germs that eat us from the inside out? Should we not have compassion for those too.

Yes man evolved to where it is, where YOU are today through eating meat. the day we started sucking marrowbone from left-over kills like dogs, is when we first gained the brain power necessary to become the number 1 species on the planet.

You want to feel sorry for a dumb cow? What do you want to do, set them all free? They'd die, and die out. Simple as that. They're only here because we need them for food. They haven't got the entertainment value to make it to the zoo.

 

[3waterleaves]

Fair enough Brothers, point taken, accepted and respected.

Thanks heaps for your input, it has been both informative and entertaining.

Peace to you both and to all out there.

 

[skunkushybrid]

Fair enough Brothers, point taken, accepted and respected.

Thanks heaps for your input, it has been both informative and entertaining.

Peace to you both and to all out there.

Does this mean you're going to visit a Macdonalds now? ha ha ha.

just kidding.

Peace to you too... a difference of opinion is always something worth getting excited about, imo.

 

[3waterleaves]

Man I love maccas, always have. I just ask for the burgers without meat. Sure sometimes I have to repeat myself to the stupid box, but meh.

Each to his own ay Skunky

 

[natmoon]

What you seem to fail to understand is that if we stop eating animals in this vegetarian manner as a society the animals will then become useless to the farmers and then as a logical progression in a money and power dominated land what exactly is it that you think all the farmers will do with their previously live stocked land?

Eventually once the farmers have sold the land that once held animals or grown vegetables in it there will be no room for the animals that we once ate.
The only reason that these animals are not extinct is because we do eat them.

Do you really believe that if we all stopped eating animals that they would just be allowed to roam free and breed till they were out of control?
Nope so once again they would at the least have to be culled so in essence nothing has changed as the animals are still being killed except this time they are being killed and just wasted as no one is allowed to eat them or use their hides.

I appreciate the fact that you are full of empathy and kindness but you must realize that the proposals that you make will only lead to these animals extinction and the selling off of the farmers lands and even more disgusting polluting city's popping up on the once green land that is kept green and beautiful by the farmers and their animals that we eat.

You need to accept the circle of life and if you want to do something good or appeal to people appeal their sense of decency so that farmed animals are treated properly and given a proper and non abusive life before they are humanely slaughtered.

You should be fighting for animals rights to live in a free range environment and them not having to waddle about in their own piss and shit until their feet are burning of.

Or the disgusting treatment of pigs who are highly intelligent and regularly abused in intensive farming schemes packed in so solid they can hardly move around at all whilst also standing in their own feces and being kicked and punched and prodded with tazer like staffs to get then to move more quickly in the intended direction.

Anyway i am sure all of your intentions are very good but really you need to rethink your position and the harsh reality's of our world.