Why I'm voting NO on prop. 19
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nathenking
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Shes not a activist, but you are...lol even on your best day you couldnt put together a piece like that man... you know it... quit fronting...
CultivationArt
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Theres nothing you can possibly say to make me belive that prop 19 is bad, and as for you nathenking i never said it would acually
drop, veggie said it was gonna be 1000 an oz, and i said if anything it would drop a gain.
ill keep all these posts coming to back up everything i have to say. Ill tell you as most on here know already, my step dad is a doctor,
and its only a phone call away or visit to get a couple tags (real tags) to prove my arguements correct.
theres no down fall to this prop. Its the greatest thing to happen since 1996 on prop 215.
and yes i know the feds can raid ALWAYS, but it would really make it that much harder for them to do it.
And stop bringing medical marijuana into this. this prop does nothing at all to prop 215, but make us obtain a tiny more
and grow a bit more. so stop
drop, veggie said it was gonna be 1000 an oz, and i said if anything it would drop a gain.
ill keep all these posts coming to back up everything i have to say. Ill tell you as most on here know already, my step dad is a doctor,
and its only a phone call away or visit to get a couple tags (real tags) to prove my arguements correct.
theres no down fall to this prop. Its the greatest thing to happen since 1996 on prop 215.
and yes i know the feds can raid ALWAYS, but it would really make it that much harder for them to do it.
And stop bringing medical marijuana into this. this prop does nothing at all to prop 215, but make us obtain a tiny more
and grow a bit more. so stop
klmmicro
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Right there, I will not have to pay my toll to some physician. I will be able to enjoy a joint without having to carry a permit. Legal is legal, and I could give a rip about business becoming involved. I will continue my self sustenance without having to involve others any longer.
We will get NOTHING passed if we cannot get the support someone making money off of cannabis. Big business owns the news outlets. Activism means nothing if the word never makes it to the masses. All they have to do is keep the status quo and it will remain illegal indefinitely. I should not have to pay anyone a yearly "fee" for a med rec. That is an industry in and of itself...one scared to death of disappearing. I have heard the arguments against Prop 19, but still cannot find basis in the fearful predictions.
We will get NOTHING passed if we cannot get the support someone making money off of cannabis. Big business owns the news outlets. Activism means nothing if the word never makes it to the masses. All they have to do is keep the status quo and it will remain illegal indefinitely. I should not have to pay anyone a yearly "fee" for a med rec. That is an industry in and of itself...one scared to death of disappearing. I have heard the arguments against Prop 19, but still cannot find basis in the fearful predictions.
you won't pay a DR a 100 dollars to smoke all the pot you want, but you'll gladly pay the tax to only be able to buy an ounce?
GO GOVERNMERNT
nathenking
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No doubt... Sometimes I wonder what people are thinking... Get your med card, smoke and grow as much as you want legally... How can you beat that??? Oh yeah, make it legal for everyone to have a ounce and bring in the Govt'... it makes no sense...
The bottom line is MONEY! You fail to understand that if this law passes, you just helped some asshole capitalist buy a new vacation home.
I keep hearing people say it won't happen unless we let big business in. That's bullshit! Take a note from Ghandi;
"If the people lead, the leaders will follow."
Wake the fuck up and start making your own decisions.
Now go play in your sandbox at your stepdad's house.
And change that retarded avatar, you embody the negative perception of the world about cannabis users.
nathenking
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Well said brudda.... These people never made it happen, so when some capitalist comes along and makes it happen for them they get on board... Except that they are hurting alot of people and pigeon holing the whole movement... Be your self, have a mind of your own and if you want a better law.. Make it happen instead of having some shitty law handed to all of us...
Sorry if I sound like a dick, but I kinda' am. I just hate the perception that we are stuck with what we're given. If people would just do what they want, the changes would happen.
Fuck anyone who tells me what to do. I make decisions based on my knowledge, experience and my heart. If it's wrong, I WILL NOT SUPPORT IT.
Who cares if you have to pay to get a doctors rec. I paid $200 dollars initially to have the ability to possess 2 lbs and up to 99 plants.
I have no problem with that and I have no worries that anyone is coming to knock on my door and bust me.
This old school of thought that says government is the ruler needs to be abolished. We need a revolution!
Fuck anyone who tells me what to do. I make decisions based on my knowledge, experience and my heart. If it's wrong, I WILL NOT SUPPORT IT.
Who cares if you have to pay to get a doctors rec. I paid $200 dollars initially to have the ability to possess 2 lbs and up to 99 plants.
I have no problem with that and I have no worries that anyone is coming to knock on my door and bust me.
This old school of thought that says government is the ruler needs to be abolished. We need a revolution!
The bottom line is MONEY! You fail to understand that if this law passes, you just helped some asshole capitalist buy a new vacation home.
That's so much worse than helping some asshole cartel boss buy new weapons, right? And please define capitalist. Like asshole capitalists who make pipes to smoke weed from and sell them for a profit? Hmm....
That's so much worse than helping some asshole cartel boss buy new weapons, right? And please define capitalist. Like asshole capitalists who make pipes to smoke weed from and sell them for a profit? Hmm....
What? You are thinking small. I'm saying politicians, corporate CEO's and things of that nature.
And do you mean to tell me that you think the government doesn't fund cartels? You need to do some research.
The guys making pipes would actually be more like small business owners.
Next?
And do you mean to tell me that you think the government doesn't fund cartels? You need to do some research.
The guys making pipes would actually be more like small business owners.
Next?
I live in El Paso Tx. I see people die every day at the hands of the cartels as a direct result of marijuana prohibition. It's claimed that as much as 60 percent of their money comes from weed. The murders have had a direct effect on me, and not because of higher weed prices. I'm just glad that the majority of marijuana users/activists are getting their info on prop19 from honest sources such as norml, leap and mpp. Honestly, if a guy can smoke a joint with out a hassle because of prop19 it's better than what californians have now. Most people are not growers and don't want to grow, and dont really care about the financial politics of it, other than getting relatively inexpensive weed. Will prop 19 allow the averege Joe to smoke a joint on the weekend, or after work without repercussion? Yea, I think it will, and these are the people who will be voting yes on prop 19.
nathenking
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Just because prop 19 is passed doesnt mean the violence stops man... All that mexi schwag goes to alot of places other than Cali, everybody smokes the bomb in cali, so techniqly it wont change a thing in the whole of USA and especially for texas... Those Mexicartels still run humans, heroin, cocaine, guns and methamp... Shit will not change because of prop 19 bro... all of a sudden after nov 2 the violence stops??? Yeah right, they will just focus more on coc, heroin meth and guns... Still the same people fighting over the same territory... nothing changes, except you dont get a ticket when you get caught with a ounce of Ganja...
I don't know, you may be right. But I dont think the market for other drugs is even close to the marijuana market, and as far as guns those all head south into Mexico. I still cannot help but believe that prop19 just might stop some of the violence in Mexico. 60% of profit for the cartels , poof, gone. I so wish news agencies outside of the border area would cover the stories that go on fifteen min away from my house. Faces sewn to soccer balls, 3 yar old girl shot in the head right in front of her dad at a burrito stand. It's so fucking sad here. I have to believe that prop19 would effect the violence here. O well, off to work.
You need to read rotnapl this post https://www.rollitup.org/legalization-marijuana/350002-vote-no-prop-19-great.html
You will realize how mistaken you are about some of the things you call "facts"
Plus, you don't even live in California, so in my honest opinion you should remain silent.
You will realize how mistaken you are about some of the things you call "facts"
Plus, you don't even live in California, so in my honest opinion you should remain silent.
nathenking
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There weed will still be sold in america... so 60 percent might turn into 30 percent... not 0... they can grow and sell MJ for so cheap that they wont stop... plus, they dont have area restrictions, plant number restrictions and all that BS
N!pples
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I'm still voting yes!!!! I want to smoke a joint in a bar without worries! We horribly need the tax money in cali and who gives a poop if some lobbyist or CEO gets a new town house.. Anyone over 21 will be able to smoke and grow marijuana in California... This sounds like a step in the right direction to me no matter who is losing or gaining a few dollars. Big business?! PFFFT, everything is big business! Get used to it! To all that vote no I say shame on you!!!! I grow herb also and believe me I thought hard about this.. I was seriously considering voting no but then I snapped out of that insanity and decided I have to vote yes just for the principal.. It will be considered LEGAL!
YES ON 19!
YES ON 19!
Dan Kone
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Here is a list of your fellow opposer's of prop 19 taken directly and unedited from the site that you're recommending people to read. You sure you want to side with these people? Some interesting friends you're making there.... You sure you're on the right team?
ORGANIZATIONS:
Anaheim Police Association
California Association of Code Enforcement Officers
California Association of Highway Patrolmen
California Correctional Supervisors Organization
California District Attorneys Association
California District Attorney Investigators Association
California Narcotic Officers’ Association
California Peace Officers’ Association — John Standish, President
California Police Chiefs Association
California State Sheriffs’ Association
CIA Investigation Academy
Crime Victims United of California
Fight Crime: Invest in Kids
Los Angeles County Police Chiefs Association
Los Angeles Police Protective League
National Association of Drug Court Professionals (NADCP)
National Organization of Black Law Enforcement (NOBLE)
Orange County Coalition of Police and Sheriffs (OC Cops)
Peace Officers Association of Los Angeles County
Peace Officers Research Association of California
Placer County Sheriffs’ Association
Dan Kone
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The funny part is that people are forgetting that there are big businesses in Cannabis now and there always has been. It's basically a difference between the guy who is getting rich off of cannabis now VS the people who would get rich if prohibition ends.
My argument against that is pretty simple... Who gives a shit if this leads to an end to prohibition? Why should I or anyone else really care which group of people are getting rich? Why should I protect one group of rich people from another group of rich people? Are the group of people getting rich off of cannabis now so worthy of defending that we are willing to give up a potential end to prohibition?
This is insane. People are turning themselves into pawns in a game of competing groups of rich people. The current group of people getting rich off of cannabis have all these people convinced that siding with law enforcement to continue prohibition is in their best interest. lol.
N!pples
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Seriously! lol
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