Why I'm voting NO on prop. 19

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Needofweed

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look lets get one thing strait first and formost im not trying to disresrect anyone. this is my point of view. i want just as bad to have legal bud in the state i just dont think that prop 19 is the right way to do it. also im not talking about growers and there profits im talking about small companies that depend on todays maket wich will be destroyed buy big marijuana corporations. i know full well that there is larg scale marijuana ops exist in cali but they dont go down to to local head shop to buy a quart of nutrient or 12 plastic pot or a hydro set up. they buy bulk from big manufactering companies.also why is there such harsh restritions on how much people can grow at there own homes, because "they"(big marijuana) dont want competition.it says that a person can grow at a private residents in a 25 squared foot area. theres no specification on how many people at the resedent can grow,in othere words i live with 4 othere people all over the age of 21 and this prop does not garantee all of use individual 25 square foot plots. insted it sugguest that each household use a 25 foot plot regardless of the number of people in the house hold that use marijuana. this again is to prevent compitition with corporations what will try and monopolize the industy.
 
Sure Shot

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It is not illegal to grow tobacco. In fact, the practice of growing tobacco inside homes and gardens is widely accepted in most nations.
 
Needofweed

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look i got a friend of mine that owns a head shop , he gave me a job. all bullshit aside if prop 19 passes we'll go out of business. maybe not right away but it will happen. california needs to take a duth approach at it.

The regulations

The Dutch have divided drugs into two groups, depending on their influence on human health – soft drugs and hard drugs. Hard drugs as cocaine, LSD, morphine, heroin are forbidden in the Netherlands as in any other country.
Soft drugs as cannabis in all its forms (marijuana, hashish, hash oil) and hallucinogenic mushrooms (so called magic mushrooms or paddos – from Dutch: paddestoel - mushroom) are legal under condition of so called “personal use”. As a result smoking of cannabis even in public, is not prosecuted as well as selling it although technically illegal under still valid Opium Act (dating from 1919, cannabis added as drug in 1950), is widely tolerated provided that it happens in a limited, controlled way (in a coffee shop, small portions, 5 grams maximum transaction, not many portions on stock, sale only to adults, no minors on the premises, no advertisement of drugs, the local municipality did not give the order to close the coffee shop).
 
N!pples

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This is crazy! How long have you all been waiting for this to happen? If you've wanted this to happen as long as I have you'd be crazy to vote no.. 5 Sq ft is better than No square feet by far... This Prop has no effect on medical permits! Get your SB 420 and vote YES! More people will grow weed than "Big Tobacco", (cuz tobacco sux) so if you like what you grow better than "big marijuana" than grow it.. 5 square feet is plenty for personal smoke you greeds!!! 5x5 or Medicinal, who cares?! Vote yes for "bout time" sake.... The Prop could use some working but hell, you are 21 right? You are crazy or greedy if you smoke and vote no! IMO

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Needofweed

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5x5 would be great per person but not per household like prop 19 suggest.
i live with 4 othere people that smoke that 5 people so we each get 1x1 area.
we only get to legalize bud onces so lets make sure it right. the legislation is fluded it all about a bunch of rich people that got rich over years of selling bud illegaly trying to get even richer "walmartization of marijuana" aka big marijuana.there just taking advanyage of our broke ass state saying "tax revanue" wich means money for polititions aka big gverment.
 
N!pples

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Needofweed said:
look i got a friend of mine that owns a head shop , he gave me a job. all bullshit aside if prop 19 passes we'll go out of business. maybe not right away but it will happen. california needs to take a duth approach at it.

The regulations

The Dutch have divided drugs into two groups, depending on their influence on human health – soft drugs and hard drugs. Hard drugs as cocaine, LSD, morphine, heroin are forbidden in the Netherlands as in any other country.
Soft drugs as cannabis in all its forms (marijuana, hashish, hash oil) and hallucinogenic mushrooms (so called magic mushrooms or paddos – from Dutch: paddestoel - mushroom) are legal under condition of so called “personal use”. As a result smoking of cannabis even in public, is not prosecuted as well as selling it although technically illegal under still valid Opium Act (dating from 1919, cannabis added as drug in 1950), is widely tolerated provided that it happens in a limited, controlled way (in a coffee shop, small portions, 5 grams maximum transaction, not many portions on stock, sale only to adults, no minors on the premises, no advertisement of drugs, the local municipality did not give the order to close the coffee shop).
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I agree 100% but we need to take what we can get when we can get it... VOTE YES! Its only the beginning!
 
N!pples

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Needofweed said:
5x5 would be great per person but not per household like prop 19 suggest.
i live with 4 othere people that smoke that 5 people so we each get 1x1 area.
we only get to legalize bud onces so lets make sure it right. the legislation is fluded it all about a bunch of rich people that got rich over years of selling bud illegaly trying to get even richer "walmartization of marijuana" aka big marijuana.there just taking advanyage of our broke ass state saying "tax revanue" wich means money for polititions aka big gverment.
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Get your SB420 and go for it.... 99 plants and only one person in the house needs it.. Then who is going to question? Why would they come for you and your 5 roommates first? They will have more to worry about than your 1x1 spot..... Its a step in the right direction! If you don’t vote yes you suck!( Not just you Need, Everyone who votes no) VOTE YES!!!!!!
 
CultivationArt

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those are all lies and you know it. why do you argue when so many of us have thrown you to the dirt, we backed up everything we said. And really, your gonna sit there and still pull out your crap. Who ever said 1000 an oz is a FUCKIN IDIOT. To the fullest.
Cannabis prices are gonna drop dramatically. Not rise. 19 does not override any mmj laws, specificlly sb 420.
Nothing will change. And if this does not pass, better belive that the federal goverment is gonna attack
us in full form. If it does pass the feds cant fuck with us no more!!. State police cant raid due to propable cause.
And your voting no. theres a name for people like you.....
veggiegardener said:
PLEASE WATCH THIS!

This lady attorney backs up everything I've said.

She KNOWS how our system works!

Prop 19 will be a disaster.

$1000/oz, anyone?
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Needofweed

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Voters in Rancho Cordova will decide in November whether to tax residents who grow their own pot.
The city measure, put on the Nov. 2 ballot by the City Council this week, would impose taxes on all local residential cultivation if California voters approve Proposition 19 to legalize recreational use.
But the city’s proposed “Personal Cannabis Cultivation Tax” also makes no distinction between medical and recreational cultivation, Peter Hecht writes in “Weed Wars.” So the tax would kick in for anyone currently cultivating for personal medical use — whether Prop. 19 passes or not
If passed by local voters, the taxation measure in the Sacramento County city would make at-home cultivation a much more expensive endeavor.

The Rancho Cordova measure would impose a $600 annual tax per square foot of indoor cultivation of 25 square feet of marijuana or less and a $900 per square foot tax if the indoor growing area is more than 25 square feet.

The city tax would cost a local indoor grower $6,000 a year on 10 square feet of pot plants and $15,000 for 25 square feet. Outdoor growers, who would be billed at a lower rate, would pay a $1,200 residential tax for 25 square feet of marijuana plants.
If Proposition 19 passes, it would allow California adults over 21 to cultivate in a 25-square foot residential space. Medical growers often exceed those limits by cultivating with other pot patients

http://calpotnews.com/government/ballot-initiatives/two-barreled-pot-growing-tax-goes-on-rancho-cordova-ballot/
 
nathenking

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CultivationArt said:
those are all lies and you know it. why do you argue when so many of us have thrown you to the dirt, we backed up everything we said. And really, your gonna sit there and still pull out your crap. Who ever said 1000 an oz is a FUCKIN IDIOT. To the fullest.
Cannabis prices are gonna drop dramatically. Not rise. 19 does not override any mmj laws, specificlly sb 420.
Nothing will change. And if this does not pass, better belive that the federal goverment is gonna attack
us in full form. If it does pass the feds cant fuck with us no more!!. State police cant raid due to propable cause.
And your voting no. theres a name for people like you.....
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Actually there not gonna drop dramaticly, why would anybody who wants to make a business profitable drop there prices really low... It makes no sense.... People have shown to pay a certain price and that wont change by alot... How can you have a warehouse, with employees, tax, insurance, monthly rent, money for supplies, electricity and still make good money... MJ will have to stay at 200 to 250 dollars a ounce... But that is what the distributor will get it at... so your looking at 250-350 when it gets to you... WOW that is such a huge price drop.... Shit is a scam and a way of people controlling you like they have since you have been born... The only reason they can do this is because you let them to... Congratulations, YOUR a CLONE....

BY the way, feds will still raid no matter what... That is what they do and that is there job description... They will raid warehouses and take the property and sell it...
 
Needofweed

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Voters in Rancho Cordova will decide in November whether to tax residents who grow their own pot.
The city measure, put on the Nov. 2 ballot by the City Council this week, would impose taxes on all local residential cultivation if California voters approve Proposition 19 to legalize recreational use.
But the city’s proposed “Personal Cannabis Cultivation Tax” also makes no distinction between medical and recreational cultivation, Peter Hecht writes in “Weed Wars.” So the tax would kick in for anyone currently cultivating for personal medical use — whether Prop. 19 passes or not
If passed by local voters, the taxation measure in the Sacramento County city would make at-home cultivation a much more expensive endeavor.

The Rancho Cordova measure would impose a $600 annual tax per square foot of indoor cultivation of 25 square feet of [URL="https://www.rollitup.org/"]marijuana[/URL] or less and a $900 per square foot tax if the indoor growing area is more than 25 square feet.

The city tax would cost a local indoor grower $6,000 a year on 10 square feet of pot plants and $15,000 for 25 square feet. Outdoor growers, who would be billed at a lower rate, would pay a $1,200 residential tax for 25 square feet of [URL="https://www.rollitup.org/"]marijuana[/URL] plants.
If Proposition 19 passes, it would allow California adults over 21 to cultivate in a 25-square foot residential space. Medical growers often exceed those limits by cultivating with other pot patients

http://calpotnews.com/government/bal...ordova-ballot/ wtf do you call this
this is the type of crap prop 19 starts and it not even law yet.
hight taxes coming to a city near you.
 
CultivationArt

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The final clause of this section specifically exempts Prop 215 (which is Health and Safety Section 11362.5). So the purpose is to ensure that if a city does not tax/regulate sales then (a) buying/selling is illegal; (b) citizens can still possess and consume small amounts; and (c) anything legal under Prop 215 remains legal.
 
CultivationArt

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Lies About Prop. 19

By: Jonathan Perri Friday August 27, 2010 12:31 pm
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When it comes to California’s Prop. 19, I’ve found there are roughly 3 types of people opposed to the initiative.
  • Some politicians or law enforcement types who think it is in their best interest to oppose cannabis reform.
  • People who have not read the initiative and have been relying only on hearsay and urban legends (or who misunderstand the language in the initiative).
  • Those with investments in the medical marijuana industry who are more concerned about losing money if the price of cannabis goes down or if CA residents no longer have to pay MediCann $200 to get a doctor’s note saying it’s ok for them to use medical marijuana.
Below are parts of a post from Opposing Views that includes a debate going on between Chris Conrad, NORML and Dragonfly de la Luz. Dragonfly is the author of a blog called "Stoners Against Prop 19" in which she states mountains of misinformation and lies that were quickly and easily refuted by Chris Conrad and Russ Belville at NORML.
Dragonfly: Nowhere in my article do I claim that marijuana is more legal when it’s decriminalized. I said it is more legal now because it IS legal now. Marijuana has been legal in California since 1996.

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NORML: Really, I’ll have to mention that to the 78,514 Californians arrested in 2008 for marijuana offenses. In fact, marijuana IS NOT legal in California and since 1996 a handful of Californians have only been exempted from criminal prosecution under Prop 215 (except, of course, Eugene Davidovich, Donna Lambert, James Stacy, Jovan Jackson, Felix Kha, and a whole bunch of other people who thought they were legal under Prop 215 yet still ended up in a courtroom and behind bars for a time). . . .
Specifically in Prop 215:
…patients and their primary caregivers who obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes upon the recommendation of a physician are not subject to criminal prosecution or sanction.

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Which means that criminal prosecutions and sanctions for marijuana still exist. Shorter: it ain’t legal.
You really have to read the whole thing to believe this nonsense. She even goes so far as to speak on behalf of Jack Herer, a man who died months ago. We’re assuming she hasn’t seen the statement that the Herer family released calling on people like Dragonfly to stop using Jack Herer’s name to spread lies about Prop 19.
Unfortunately, Jack passed away before Prop 19 made the 2010 ballot; so many people think he would still oppose it. We don’t believe that, and we ask that everyone stop saying he would cling to that position as we move toward the Nov. 2 vote.
As his family, we want the world to know that the last thing Jack Herer would want is for Californians to vote to keep Cannabis illegal. He was smart and had the political savvy to know that once a measure is on the ballot, the time for bickering has passed. That is why he campaigned for Prop 215 despite its shortcomings. That is why, were he able, he would now be telling voters to rally around and Vote Yes on Prop 19.

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Dragonfly calls herself a marijuana activist because she "travel(s) the world, find(s) the best ganja, smoke(s) it, and write(s) about it for pot magazines."
I’m sorry Dragonfly, that’s not called activism, that’s called partying. And while you’re busy partying, nearly 900,000 people are being arrested for marijuana charges every in this country and about 10% of those arrests are coming from California.
Step aside and let the real activists do our work. http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/67766
 
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