The rich get richer...

[NoDrama]

The richest person in the world is a College dropout. The second richest person in the world dropped out of High School at age 16.

 

[hanimmal]

Bill gates is number two, he was not only basically a child prodigy, he did go to harvard.

And I don't know anything about the Mexican in the top spot, but A Mexican billionaire Doesnt really mean much when talking about income in the US.

 

[doc111]

you just shot yourself in the foot, doc.

as if insurance rates didn't already double in the previous decade.

yet for you, it is all obama's fault, not the companies who actually raised the rates.

go ahead and preach to me about personal responsibility now.

I don't see how I shot myself in the foot. This is blowback from Obamacare, plain and simple, and after he promised this would save the middle class $$.

 

[NoDrama]

Bill gates is number two, he was not only basically a child prodigy, he did go to harvard.

And I don't know anything about the Mexican in the top spot, but A Mexican billionaire Doesnt really mean much when talking about income in the US.

They switched positions again. Bill now has 58 Billion. He Dropped out of Harvard, never Graduated.

 

[doc111]

you just shot yourself in the foot, doc.

as if insurance rates didn't already double in the previous decade.

yet for you, it is all obama's fault, not the companies who actually raised the rates.

go ahead and preach to me about personal responsibility now.

Of course the insurance companies share in the blame but they are corporations and corporations are all about making money. I'm not against all regulation. Of course we need some regulation. We don't need a twisted mess of red tape, which is essentially what we have now. Hold CEO's accountable when they break the law. Insurance rates have been going up faster than income has risen but my parents have never seen this big of an increase and my mother is a 2 time cancer survivor! What is wrong with personal responsibility? And I never said it was ALL Obama's fault. I don't think he is doing a good job, and I'm not alone. A lot of people in his OWN party don't think he's doing a good job, and liberals seldom, if ever, admit when their "boy" is failing. Well, Obama is failing big time! I don't know why I have to keep reminding you that I was complaining about a lot of the shit Bush did. Unfortunately I wasn't a member here back when Georgie boy was prez or you would've seen me holding his feet to the fire just as I'm holding the "messiah's" feet to the fire. I don't give a fuck if he's black. Makes no difference to me in the least. He could be purple or cerulean blue for all I care! He is a shitty, pompous ass, political newbie and he talks a mean game but as prez, he sucks! If in 10 or 15 years time healthcare costs come way down and everybody is happy, I'll gladly come back on here and eat my words. I doubt that will need to happen though.

 

[hanimmal]

They switched positions again. Bill now has 58 Billion. He Dropped out of Harvard, never Graduated.

Are you being serious, or you just messing with me? Because I have too much respect for you to think you don't understand that the computer program degree from harvard in 1973 may not have even existed when Bill gates who was a computer genius here is a fun little snippet:

Gates graduated from Lakeside School in 1973. He scored 1590 out of 1600 on the SAT[19] and enrolled at Harvard College in the autumn of 1973.[20] While at Harvard, he met Steve Ballmer, who later succeeded Gates as CEO of Microsoft. In his sophomore year, Gates devised an algorithm for pancake sorting as a solution to one of a series of unsolved problems [21] presented in a combinatorics class by one of his professors. Gates' solution, which was later formalized in a published paper in collaboration with Harvard computer scientist Christos Papadimitriou [22], held the record as the fastest version for over thirty years[21][23]; its successor is faster by only one percent[21]. Gates did not have a definite study plan while a student at Harvard[24] and spent a lot of time using the school's computers.

What degree should he have stuck around to get? Face it this guy was way ahead of his time. But lets look at who he hires shall we?

Im literally going down the list: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/leadership/default.aspx

J Allard
Chief Experience Officer and Chief Technology Officer, Entertainment and Devices Division


Allard holds a bachelor's degree in computer science from Boston University and was recognized in 2003 as a Distinguished Alumnus, the highest honor the university confers on its alumni.

Robert J. Bach President, Entertainment & Devices Division


Before joining Microsoft, Bach worked as a financial analyst at Morgan Stanley & Co. He has a bachelor's degree in economics from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and an MBA from Stanford University.

harvard, ucla, Not sure where this is "A French national, Courtois obtained his diplôme des études commerciales supérieures (DECS) from the Ecole Superieure de Commerce, Nice (CERAM/Skema)" Yale, Fudan university in China, blah blah blah, you get the point.

So for the wealthiest person in the world to put such an emphasis on a higher education when he himself did not get one, doesn't it show how important it is?

Of course the insurance companies share in the blame but they are corporations and corporations are all about making money. I'm not against all regulation. Of course we need some regulation. We don't need a twisted mess of red tape, which is essentially what we have now. Hold CEO's accountable when they break the law. Insurance rates have been going up faster than income has risen but my parents have never seen this big of an increase and my mother is a 2 time cancer survivor!

I take it you are just talking about dollar amount right? Because the biggest increase was from 2001-2006, The % change is less now than it was then. This is why there had to be healthcare reform. It was going to be too expensive to the point our businesses would have been crippled if something did not change.

And I never said it was ALL Obama's fault. I don't think he is doing a good job, and I'm not alone. A lot of people in his OWN party don't think he's doing a good job, and liberals seldom, if ever, admit when their "boy" is failing. Well, Obama is failing big time! I don't know why I have to keep reminding you that I was complaining about a lot of the shit Bush did. Unfortunately I wasn't a member here back when Georgie boy was prez or you would've seen me holding his feet to the fire just as I'm holding the "messiah's" feet to the fire. I don't give a fuck if he's black. Makes no difference to me in the least. He could be purple or cerulean blue for all I care! He is a shitty, pompous ass, political newbie and he talks a mean game but as prez, he sucks! If in 10 or 15 years time healthcare costs come way down and everybody is happy, I'll gladly come back on here and eat my words. I doubt that will need to happen though.

Time makes fools of us all. We all know I am a liberal, and very proud of it because I do care more about human rights and know that the alternative does more to deny groups of people basic rights that I will not be able to vote for the republicans until they pull their heads out of their asses.

But economically right now Obama is trying to get the right things through to get us out of this mess. Its just a shame that what finally comes out of congress and the senate it is not even close to what it could have been and mediocre at best by the time he gets to sign it.

But again the alternative right now, less spending would be going back to depression era economics (hoover raise taxes and cut spending) simply out of fear. And although I do not think that they should increase taxes on anyone, the problem is you extend the tax cuts for everyone for two years, we have this conversation during Obamas run for the white house (smart on the republicans part to force this on him), the alternative is you put the tax cuts through for the next decade and it kills any chance of getting out of this deficit.

And luckily whatever happens in the fall wont really matter, if the dems walk over the tea party canidates or if the tea party ends up being normal republicans for the most part (minus the big three kooks) which I think will happen, they will finally have to start to contribute to running the country and some shit that is needed should get done.

We are pretty close if they don't screw the pooch to getting out of this bad economy for the most part (unemployment will still stay high though because most the people that are unemployed do not have much needed skills and will not be competitive in the job market until they do something about that themselves), so I dont have too much of an issue if republicans get into office in '10. In fact I think it would make it more likely that Obama gets reelected if the republicans take control of the house in the fall.

 

[UncleBuck]

View attachment 1163268View attachment 1163269 I take it you are just talking about dollar amount right? Because the biggest increase was from 2001-2006, The % change is less now than it was then. This is why there had to be healthcare reform. It was going to be too expensive to the point our businesses would have been crippled if something did not change.

exactly.

Time makes fools of us all.

and time is usually on the side of liberals.

a majority of americans didn't think interracial marriage was ok back around the time civil rights passed.

time will be the judge here.

 

[NoDrama]

You fellas have such faith in the new health care bill. Personally I think it will end up as a huge failure, pretty much just like every other big gubbermint program.

 

[doc111]

exactly.





and time is usually on the side of liberals.

a majority of americans didn't think interracial marriage was ok back around the time civil rights passed.

time will be the judge here.

And a hundred years before that a good number of Americans owned slaves or were ok with slavery. What's your point? Oh, that time is usually on the side of the liberals? You do realize it was a republican prez that freed the slaves don't you? You guys act like the republicans have contributed nothing to the political landscape and are basically rich, racist, homophobes sitting in their ivory towers scoffing at the poor and the middle class. Get real! There have been a good deal of contributions from both parties. Unfortunately we haven't seen much of that from either party for a couple of decades now.

 

[jeff f]

And a hundred years before that a good number of Americans owned slaves or were ok with slavery. What's your point? Oh, that time is usually on the side of the liberals? You do realize it was a republican prez that freed the slaves don't you? You guys act like the republicans have contributed nothing to the political landscape and are basically rich, racist, homophobes sitting in their ivory towers scoffing at the poor and the middle class. Get real! There have been a good deal of contributions from both parties. Unfortunately we haven't seen much of that from either party for a couple of decades now.

hence, the tea party. seriously doc, what is so hard to see here? is it me or is this blatently obvious?

i am definitely partisan if conservative is a party. i guess closest to libertarian. but this onslaught from conservative "speaking" people is pretty much right out in the middle of the street obvious. like white on rice, like maggots on a gutwagon, like 2 rats fucking in a wool sock....obvious....

the big question to me is, will they govern as conservative or will they give into the "establishment". in 94 they definitely governed that way. pretty much bailed clinton out from the abiss. if the results are as good as back then, we should be in pretty good shape. i just dont get the feeling that obama is the same. obama is an idealog, clinton was a clintinalog. i think bam will push for more agenda.

but for the sake of the country, i hope i am dead wrong.

 

[doc111]

hence, the tea party. seriously doc, what is so hard to see here? is it me or is this blatently obvious?

i am definitely partisan if conservative is a party. i guess closest to libertarian. but this onslaught from conservative "speaking" people is pretty much right out in the middle of the street obvious. like white on rice, like maggots on a gutwagon, like 2 rats fucking in a wool sock....obvious....

the big question to me is, will they govern as conservative or will they give into the "establishment". in 94 they definitely governed that way. pretty much bailed clinton out from the abiss. if the results are as good as back then, we should be in pretty good shape. i just dont get the feeling that obama is the same. obama is an idealog, clinton was a clintinalog. i think bam will push for more agenda.

but for the sake of the country, i hope i am dead wrong.

That's what I can't figure out. What is so hard to see here? I listen to NPR occasionally and when they are talking about how bad shit is for Obama and the democrats you KNOW it's bad!