Islam: Evil or misunderstood

ginjawarrior

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Muhammed: Those dogs in the West make fun of our backward ways and adherence to Twelfth Century customs. They do not understand our faith allows us to disrespect their culture and beliefs, but tolerates no disrespect of ours. How should we respond Mohammad?

Mohammad: Let's kill the Pope!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100917/ts_nm/us_pope_britain
while no religion should try killing the leader or followers of an opposing faith bringing the pope up in a thread asking about if a religion is evil is a bit short sighted.

the pope is complicit with hiding repeated child abuse by many many of his preachers

evil comes in many forms
 

Johnnyorganic

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while no religion should try killing the leader or followers of an opposing faith bringing the pope up in a thread asking about if a religion is evil is a bit short sighted.

the pope is complicit with hiding repeated child abuse by many many of his preachers

evil comes in many forms
I think it's fair to say that the child abuse is not the motive behind the assassination attempt.

And your dismissal of a plot to assassinate the Pope based on the fact that some priests are kiddie diddlers is muted by the fact that Islam is awash with boy lovers.

But that's their culture so it's okay, right?
 

ginjawarrior

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I think it's fair to say that the child abuse is not the motive behind the assassination attempt.

And your dismissal of a plot to assassinate the Pope based on the fact that some priests are kiddie diddlers is muted by the fact that Islam is awash with boy lovers.

But that's their culture so it's okay, right?
did you miss the part where i said "no religion should try killing the leader or followers of an opposing faith"???
 

ginjawarrior

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Muhammed: Those dogs in the West make fun of our backward ways and adherence to Twelfth Century customs. They do not understand our faith allows us to disrespect their culture and beliefs, but tolerates no disrespect of ours. How should we respond Mohammad?

Mohammad: Let's kill the Pope!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100917/ts_nm/us_pope_britain
thought you should see follow up

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/09/18/uk.pope.threat/

London, England (CNN) -- Six men arrested Friday morning in London on suspicion of terrorism related to Pope Benedict XVI's visit were freed overnight without charge, an official said.
 

Johnnyorganic

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ok then seeing as we have agreement on the kiddie fiddling and the no killing other religions what about the last part? :P

"evil comes in many forms "
Dude, again. In this particular case, the fact that I choose not to challenge a point means I probably agree with you. At the very least it means I don't disagree.

Usually I will not respond to a point that I feel needs no rebuttal, is beneath a response, or is just plain boring.

But yes, I agree with your statement about evil taking many forms.

Jesus
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thought you should see follow up

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/09/18/uk.pope.threat/

London, England (CNN) -- Six men arrested Friday morning in London on suspicion of terrorism related to Pope Benedict XVI's visit were freed overnight without charge, an official said.
Interesting. Drudge completely removed any mention of the story so I should have realized something was afoot. Thanks for the update.

Okay, here's another one.

The American cartoonist who came up with Everybody Draw Mohammed Day has gone into hiding on the advice of the FBI.

She goes Casper because Muslims can't tolerate having their feelings hurt.

http://www.seattleweekly.com/2010-09-15/news/on-the-advice-of-the-fbi-cartoonist-molly-norris-disappears-from-view/
 

ginjawarrior

Well-Known Member
Dude, again. In this particular case, the fact that I choose not to challenge a point means I probably agree with you. At the very least it means I don't disagree.

Usually I will not respond to a point that I feel needs no rebuttal, is beneath a response, or is just plain boring.

But yes, I agree with your statement about evil taking many forms.

Jesus
!


Interesting. Drudge completely removed any mention of the story so I should have realized something was afoot. Thanks for the update.

Okay, here's another one.

The American cartoonist who came up with Everybody Draw Mohammed Day has gone into hiding on the advice of the FBI.

She goes Casper because Muslims can't tolerate having their feelings hurt.

http://www.seattleweekly.com/2010-09-15/news/on-the-advice-of-the-fbi-cartoonist-molly-norris-disappears-from-view/

i wont deny that there are some very fucked up muslims out there but that still doesnt make whole religon evil just the lunatic fringe

its the same as that cartoonist and that florida preacher shows theres some very stupid americans but that too doesnt mean all you guys are stupid just the lunatic fringe again

we should concentrate on the good muslims and the clever americans and for the most part ignore the nutters as best we can
 

Johnnyorganic

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i wont deny that there are some very fucked up muslims out there but that still doesnt make whole religon evil just the lunatic fringe

its the same as that cartoonist and that florida preacher shows theres some very stupid americans but that too doesnt mean all you guys are stupid just the lunatic fringe again

we should concentrate on the good muslims and the clever americans and for the most part ignore the nutters as best we can
Apples and oranges.

If we are going to blame the victim, then let's put the blame squarely where belongs; on the one religion that consistently portrays itself as a victim as the justification for it's bad behavior.

The evil is the tacit approval of the "peaceful" Muslims when they permit these acts to be committed in the name of their religion.

There is a huge distinction between and an insult and murder committed, or even threatened, directly related to said insult.

Murder is not protected as free speech. Neither are death threats.

I believe Theo van Gogh would agree with me.

Unfortunately he could not be reached for comment.

He's dead.
 

HomeGrown&Smoked

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The evil is the tacit approval of the "peaceful" Muslims when they permit these acts to be committed in the name of their religion.
So then by your reasoning all Catholics approve of child molestation . . . since they continue to worship under the roof of an organization that has been proven to have members that take the innocence from children.

Or is it apples and oranges because they use a different book to worship their God?
 

ginjawarrior

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Apples and oranges.

If we are going to blame the victim, then let's put the blame squarely where belongs; on the one religion that consistently portrays itself as a victim as the justification for it's bad behavior.

The evil is the tacit approval of the "peaceful" Muslims when they permit these acts to be committed in the name of their religion.

There is a huge distinction between and an insult and murder committed, or even threatened, directly related to said insult.

Murder is not protected as free speech. Neither are death threats.

I believe Theo van Gogh would agree with me.

Unfortunately he could not be reached for comment.

He's dead.
how exactly does the peacefull muslim world allow the terrible things that the fucked up part do?
what are they supposed to do to stop them?

i see plenty of muslim leaders speaking out against the violence carried out by their counter parts in 3rd world countries

just because it happens does not make it the whole relgions fault.

in africa evangelicalist churches are declaring children witches does that mean the congregation in middle america should be tainted with same brush?



kiddy fiddling by the catholic church has be known about for years does it make it every catholics fault do we call all catholics kiddy fiddlers for it?
 

ginjawarrior

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So then by your reasoning all Catholics approve of child molestation . . . since they continue to worship under the roof of an organization that has been proven to have members that take the innocence from children.

Or is it apples and oranges because they use a different book to worship their God?
lol you got there before me
 

Johnnyorganic

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So then by your reasoning all Catholics approve of child molestation . . . since they continue to worship under the roof of an organization that has been proven to have members that take the innocence from children.

Or is it apples and oranges because they use a different book to worship their God?
Pay attention. It is apples and oranges to compare offensive speech to murder. Sheesh.

And the Catholic Church is addressing the child abuse issue, albeit belatedly.

My bad- I guess it wasn't quick enough for Johnny. He probably needed to pick his hood and sheets up from the cleaners . . .
Brilliant retort. :roll:

Obviously crying racism comes naturally to you when you run out of salient points.

The is not a question of race. Muslims are all races.

I would expect a rocket surgeon like yourself would understand that.
 

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September 18, 2010
Message to Muslims: I’m Sorry
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Many Americans have suggested that more moderate Muslims should stand up to extremists, speak out for tolerance, and apologize for sins committed by their brethren.

That’s reasonable advice, and as a moderate myself, I’m going to take it. (Throat clearing.) I hereby apologize to Muslims for the wave of bigotry and simple nuttiness that has lately been directed at you. The venom on the airwaves, equating Muslims with terrorists, should embarrass us more than you. Muslims are one of the last minorities in the United States that it is still possible to demean openly, and I apologize for the slurs.

I’m inspired by another journalistic apology. The Portland Press Herald in Maine published an innocuous front-page article and photo a week ago about 3,000 local Muslims praying together to mark the end of Ramadan. Readers were upset, because publication coincided with the ninth anniversary of 9/11, and they deluged the paper with protests.

So the newspaper published a groveling front-page apology for being too respectful of Muslims. “We sincerely apologize,” wrote the editor and publisher, Richard Connor, and he added: “we erred by at least not offering balance to the story and its prominent position on the front page.” As a blog by James Poniewozik of Time paraphrased it: “Sorry for Portraying Muslims as Human.”

I called Mr. Connor, and he seems like a nice guy. Surely his front page isn’t reserved for stories about Bad Muslims, with articles about Good Muslims going inside. Must coverage of law-abiding Muslims be “balanced” by a discussion of Muslim terrorists?

Ah, balance — who can be against that? But should reporting of Pope Benedict’s trip to Britain be “balanced” by a discussion of Catholic terrorists in Ireland? And what about journalism itself?

I interrupt this discussion of peaceful journalism in Maine to provide some “balance.” Journalists can also be terrorists, murderers and rapists. For example, radio journalists in Rwanda promoted genocide.

I apologize to Muslims for another reason. This isn’t about them, but about us. I want to defend Muslims from intolerance, but I also want to defend America against extremists engineering a spasm of religious hatred.

Granted, the reason for the nastiness isn’t hard to understand. Extremist Muslims have led to fear and repugnance toward Islam as a whole. Threats by Muslim crazies just in the last few days forced a Seattle cartoonist, Molly Norris, to go into hiding after she drew a cartoon about Muhammad that went viral.

And then there’s 9/11. When I recently compared today’s prejudice toward Muslims to the historical bigotry toward Catholics, Mormons, Jews and Asian-Americans, many readers protested that it was a false parallel. As one, Carla, put it on my blog: “Catholics and Jews did not come here and kill thousands of people.”

That’s true, but Japanese did attack Pearl Harbor and in the end killed far more Americans than Al Qaeda ever did. Consumed by our fears, we lumped together anyone of Japanese ancestry and rounded them up in internment camps. The threat was real, but so were the hysteria and the overreaction.

Radicals tend to empower radicals, creating a gulf of mutual misunderstanding and anger. Many Americans believe that Osama bin Laden is representative of Muslims, and many Afghans believe that the Rev. Terry Jones (who talked about burning Korans) is representative of Christians.

Many Americans honestly believe that Muslims are prone to violence, but humans are too complicated and diverse to lump into groups that we form invidious conclusions about. We’ve mostly learned that about blacks, Jews and other groups that suffered historic discrimination, but it’s still O.K. to make sweeping statements about “Muslims” as an undifferentiated mass.

In my travels, I’ve seen some of the worst of Islam: theocratic mullahs oppressing people in Iran; girls kept out of school in Afghanistan in the name of religion; girls subjected to genital mutilation in Africa in the name of Islam; warlords in Yemen and Sudan who wield AK-47s and claim to be doing God’s bidding.

But I’ve also seen the exact opposite: Muslim aid workers in Afghanistan who risk their lives to educate girls; a Pakistani imam who shelters rape victims; Muslim leaders who campaign against female genital mutilation and note that it is not really an Islamic practice; Pakistani Muslims who stand up for oppressed Christians and Hindus; and above all, the innumerable Muslim aid workers in Congo, Darfur, Bangladesh and so many other parts of the world who are inspired by the Koran to risk their lives to help others. Those Muslims have helped keep me alive, and they set a standard of compassion, peacefulness and altruism that we should all emulate.

I’m sickened when I hear such gentle souls lumped in with Qaeda terrorists, and when I hear the faith they hold sacred excoriated and mocked. To them and to others smeared, I apologize.

I invite you to comment on this column on my blog, On the Ground. Please also join me on Facebook, watch my YouTube videos videos and follow me on Twitter.



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ginjawarrior

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Pay attention. It is apples and oranges to compare offensive speech to murder. Sheesh.

And the Catholic Church is addressing the child abuse issue, albeit belatedly.


Brilliant retort. :roll:

Obviously crying racism comes naturally to you when you run out of salient points.

The is not a question of race. Muslims are all races.

I would expect a rocket surgeon like yourself would understand that.

i wasnt comparing offensive speech to terrorism i was saying that you should judge a group of people by the acts of a few

not all muslims are terrorist is like not all americans are fucking dumb now do you get it?

freedom of speech has got nothing to do with generalizations
 

Johnnyorganic

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i wasnt comparing offensive speech to terrorism i was saying that you should judge a group of people by the acts of a few

not all muslims are terrorist is like not all americans are fucking dumb now do you get it?

freedom of speech has got nothing to do with generalizations
Yeah, I get it....

Plunging a knife into a film director's chest with a note attached is not free speech.

Drawing a cartoon; however, is free speech.

Apples and oranges.
 

ginjawarrior

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how many muslims did it take to put that knife into a directors chest 1?

theres 1.5 billion muslims are they all guilty of that crime? no

the actions of a few are not indicative of the whole group

this has got nothing to do with freedom of speech
 
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