Do Not Vote For Legalization Or You Are Stupid

[Dan Kone]

I dont know if theres anyone out there that is a grower who plans on getting a license to sell.NORML has proposed that mj be sold with a label that tell the consumer the exact level of THC.So growers that do have there license to sell will not be able to sell what they grow without getting the strain/strains tested at a laboratory for THC level.How much does that coast?

It costs $100 dollars per test. The test gives thc/cbd/cbn results as well as mold/pathogen results. If you don't want to pay for testing each time you can buy the machine for ~$15,000.

I think it's an extremely good idea. Don't bud smokers deserve to know exactly what they are getting?

And just fyi - cost = price. coast = where the land meets the ocean. Sorry for the spelling correction. I'm a terrible speller myself. Just thought you'd like to know.

It would cheaper to buy it of big marijuana corporations that will have the money to test there strains.Just another way to eliminate all compotition.(im not saying this is fact just what I read and heard.)

It's not that expensive. No reason commercial growers or dispensary owners can't just buy the machine and then test the product.

It provides a great service. Ironic that Mr Anti-capitalist is once again fighting for the rights of a group of people to profit over protection of the average smoker. Maybe you should get a job with BP. They'd really love your attitude.

 

[Needofweed]

what is the machine called?

 

[Dan Kone]

what is the machine called?

Here's the company that lab tests harborside's buds when I was vending there. It was pretty sweet actually. When they buy a pack off you they email your test results a week later. You get to see the exact quality of your strains. The results were pretty surprising at first. After getting used to it you get to the point where you can tell approximate thc/cbd by looking it your buds under a magnified light.

As a vendor, I loved it. Not only did I know exactly how good my bud was, but I knew for a fact that I was never selling any bud with any microscopic pathogens that could potentially make someone with a weak immune system sick. Every club and large commercial grower should this. At least the mod/pathogen testing.

http://steephilllab.com/

If you go to the "about" tab you can see the equipment. The gas chromatograph is the machine that actually does the thc testing.

 

[Needofweed]

that was very cool I think Im going to try it just for fun

 

[veggiegardener]

Vote no on 19.

 

[Needofweed]

Im voting NO

 

[Sure Shot]

I can't vote.
Vote yes on Prop 19! Or, you too could lose your voting rights!

 

[budsmoker83]

I hope that all made sense. I'm really high right now.

that made perfect sense and they would be dumb not to legalize, and for the rest of the states to. They talk so much about drugs crossing our borders and drug lords in south america making so much drug money, marijauna is a high profit for alot of them
. If you take that from them then both the state & goverment will gain from taxing CANNIBUS and if only cali. legalizes it then be ready for more tourist cause my peeps ,I and alot of other potheads will be visiting a cali spot near U....

 

[Needofweed]

most of the mj smoked in california is grown in california,Ill guess 40% of all the weed smoked in USA is grown in california.Plus cartel weed is alway midgrade and sold for 400-800 dollors a pound depending on quality.I think they will always have a market.And one other thing,cartels have millions maybe even billions of dollors so whats to stop them from going in to the mj business legitimate.

 

[Sure Shot]

Some Cali growers move 100's of lbs.
Cartels move 1000's of pounds!

 

[Needofweed]

how many differnt cartels is there compared to how many differnt growers in cali?

 

[Sure Shot]

How fast do 1000's add up compared to 100's?

 

[Needofweed]

you mean 100s and up to 1000s?

 

[Sure Shot]

I was trying to keep it simple, but yes.
I actually meant,
10's-100's vs 100's-1000's.
Truth is, Cartels are way more on the high end of their scale then Cali growers are.
It's still relatively the same math, just on simpler terms.
Like, take into the fact that we're not including our neighbor Colorado. Or, Canada for that matter.

 

[Grnthum]

I grow legally for my own personal use and am voting yes on prop. 19. The large growers and dealers want to keep it illegal to protect their obscene profit margins. That's the bottom line, it's about greed. They don't want you to be able to supply yourself or buy legally somewhere else.

 

[Needofweed]

what ever Like I said befor if voting no make some one a drug dealer then voting yes make some one a drug addict.

Oh by the way I also grow my own and I do not sell and I am voting NO

 

[Needofweed]

who ever said that prop 19 is our only chance and only way to legalization of cannabis is a liar.

PROPOSED WORDING AS OF 05/13/2010:
California Cannabis Hemp & Health Initiative 2012​

California Cannabis Hemp & Health Initiative 2012​

AN ACT TO AMEND THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE OF CALIFORNIA:

I. Add Section 11362.6 to the Health and Safety Code of California, any laws or policies to the contrary notwithstanding:​

1. No person, individual, or corporate entity shall be arrested or prosecuted, be denied any right or privilege, nor be subject to any criminal or civil penalties for the possession, cultivation, transportation, distribution, or consumption of cannabis hemp marijuana, including:​

(a) Cannabis hemp industrial products.

(b) Cannabis hemp medicinal preparations.
(c) Cannabis hemp nutritional products.
(c) Cannabis hemp religious and spiritual products.
(d) Cannabis hemp recreational and euphoric use and products.
​

2. Definition of terms:

(a) The terms "cannabis hemp" and “cannabis hemp marijuana” mean the natural, non-genetically modified plant hemp, cannabis, marihuana, marijuana, cannabis sativa L, cannabis Americana, cannabis chinensis, cannabis indica, cannabis ruderalis, cannabis sativa, or any variety of cannabis, including any derivative, concentrate, extract, flower, leaf, particle, preparation, resin, root, salt, seed, stalk, stem, or any product thereof.

(b) The term "cannabis hemp industrial products" means all products made from cannabis hemp that are not designed or intended for human consumption, including, but not limited to: clothing, building materials, paper, fiber, fuel, lubricants, plastics, paint, seed for cultivation, animal feed, veterinary medicine, oil, or any other product that is not designed for internal human consumption; as well as cannabis hemp plants used for crop rotation, erosion control, pest control, weed control, or any other horticultural or environmental purposes, for example, the reversal of the Greenhouse Effect and toxic soil reclamation.
(c) The term "cannabis hemp medicinal preparations" means all products made from cannabis hemp that are designed, intended, or used for human consumption for the treatment of any human disease or condition, for pain relief, or for any healing purpose, including but not limited to the treatment or relief of: Alzheimer's and pre-Alzheimer's disease, stroke, arthritis, asthma, cramps, epilepsy, glaucoma, migraine, multiple sclerosis, nausea, premenstrual syndrome, side effects of cancer chemotherapy, fibromyalgia, sickle cell anemia, spasticity, spinal injury, stress, easement of post-traumatic stress disorder, Tourette syndrome, attention deficit disorder, immunodeficiency, wasting syndrome from AIDS or anorexia; use as an antibiotic, antibacterial, anti-viral, or anti-emetic; as a healing agent, or as an adjunct to any medical or herbal treatment. Mental conditions not limited to bipolar, depression, attention deficit disorder, or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, shall be conditions considered for medical use.
(d) The term "cannabis hemp nutritional products" means cannabis hemp for consumption by humans and animals as food, including but not limited to: seed, seed protein, seed oil, essential fatty acids, seed cake, dietary fiber, or any preparation or extract thereof.
(e) The term "cannabis hemp euphoric products" means cannabis hemp intended for personal recreational or religious use, other than cannabis hemp industrial products, cannabis hemp medicinal preparations, or cannabis hemp nutritional products.
(f) The term "personal use" means the internal consumption of cannabis hemp by people 21 years of age or older for any relaxational, meditative, religious, spiritual, recreational, or other purpose other than sale.
(g) The term "commercial production" means the production of cannabis hemp products for sale or profit under the conditions of these provisions.
​

3. Industrial cannabis hemp farmers, manufacturers, processors, and distributors shall not be subject to any special zoning requirement, licensing fee, or tax that is excessive, discriminatory, or prohibitive.

4. Cannabis hemp medicinal preparations are hereby restored to the list of available medicines in California. Licensed physicians shall not be penalized for, nor restricted from, prescribing or recommending cannabis hemp for medical purposes to any patient, regardless of age. No tax shall be applied to prescribed cannabis hemp medicinal preparations. Medical research shall be encouraged. No recommending physician shall be subject to any professional licensing review or hearing as a result of recommending or approving medical use of cannabis hemp marijuana.​

5. Personal use of cannabis hemp euphoric products.

(a) No permit, license, or tax shall be required for the non-commercial cultivation, transportation, distribution, or consumption of cannabis hemp.

(b) Testing for inactive and/or inert residual cannabis metabolites shall not be required for employment or insurance, nor be considered in determining employment, other impairment, or intoxication.
(c) When a person falls within the conditions of these exceptions, the offense laws do not apply and only the exception laws apply.
​

6. Use of cannabis hemp products for religious or spiritual purposes shall be considered an inalienable right; and shall be protected by the full force of the State and Federal Constitutions.

7. Commerce in cannabis hemp euphoric products shall be limited to adults, 21 years of age and older, and shall be regulated in a manner analogous to California's wine industry model. For the purpose of distinguishing personal from commercial production, 99 flowering female plants and 12 pounds of dried, cured cannabis hemp flowers, bud, not leaf, produced per adult, 21 years of age and older, per year shall be considered as being for personal use.
8. The manufacture, marketing, distribution, or sales between adults of equipment or accessories designed to assist in the planting, cultivation, harvesting, curing, processing, packaging, storage, analysis, consumption, or transportation of cannabis hemp plants, industrial cannabis hemp products, cannabis hemp medicinal preparations, cannabis hemp nutritional products, cannabis hemp euphoric products, or any cannabis hemp product shall not be prohibited.
9. No California law enforcement personnel or funds shall be used to assist or aid and abet in the enforcement of Federal cannabis hemp marijuana laws involving acts which are hereby no longer illegal in the State of California.
10. Any person who threatens the enjoyment of these provisions is guilty of a misdemeanor. The maximum penalties and fines of a misdemeanor may be imposed.
​

II. Repeal, delete, and expunge any and all existing statutory laws that conflict with the provisions of this initiative.

1. Enactment of this initiative shall include: amnesty, immediate release from prison, jail, parole, and probation, and clearing, expungement, and deletion of all criminal records for all persons currently charged with, or convicted of any non-violent cannabis hemp marijuana offenses included in this initiative which are hereby no longer illegal in the State of California. People who fall within this category that triggered an original sentence are included within this provision.

2. Within 60 days of the passage of this Act, the Attorney General shall develop and distribute a one-page application, providing for the destruction of all cannabis hemp marijuana criminal records in California for any such offense covered by this Act. Such forms shall be distributed to district and city attorneys and made available at all police departments in the State to persons hereby affected. Upon filing such form with any Superior Court and a payment of a fee of $10.00, the Court shall liberally construe these provisions to benefit the defendant in furtherance of the amnesty and dismissal provision of this section. Upon the Court's ruling under this provision the arrest record shall be set aside and be destroyed. Such persons may then truthfully state that they have never been arrested or convicted of any cannabis hemp marijuana related offense which is hereby no longer illegal in the State of California. This shall be deemed to be a finding of factual innocence under California Penal Code Section 851.8 et seq.
​

III. The legislature is authorized upon thorough investigation, to enact legislation using reasonable standards to:

1. License concessionary establishments to distribute cannabis hemp euphoric products in a manner analogous to California's wine industry model. Sufficient community outlets shall be licensed to provide reasonable commercial access to persons of legal age, so as to discourage and prevent the misuse of, and illicit traffic in, such products. Any license or permit fee required by the State for commercial production, distribution or use shall not exceed $1,000.00.

2. Place an excise tax on commercial sale of cannabis hemp euphoric products, analogous to California's wine industry model, so long as no excise tax or combination of excise taxes shall exceed $10.00 per ounce.
3. Determine an acceptable and uniform standard of impairment based on performance testing, to restrict persons impaired by cannabis hemp euphoric products from operating a motor vehicle or heavy machinery, or otherwise engaging in conduct that may affect public safety.
4. Regulate the personal use of cannabis hemp euphoric products in enclosed and/or restricted public places.
​

IV. Pursuant to the Ninth and Tenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the people of California hereby repudiate and challenge Federal cannabis hemp marijuana prohibitions that conflict with this act.

V. Severability: If any provision of this Act, or the application of any such provision to any person or circumstance, shall be held invalid by any court, the remainder of this Act, to the extent it can be given effect, or the application of such provisions to persons or circumstances other than those as to which it is held invalid, shall not be affected thereby, and to this end the provisions of this Act are severable.
VI. Construction: If any rival or conflicting initiative regulating any matter addressed by this act receives the higher affirmative vote, then all non-conflicting parts shall become operative.
VII. Purpose of Act: This Act is an exercise of the police powers of the State for the protection of the safety, welfare, health, and peace of the people and the environment of the State, to protect the industrial and medicinal uses of cannabis hemp, to eliminate the unlicensed and unlawful cultivation, selling, and dispensing of cannabis hemp; and to encourage temperance in the consumption of cannabis hemp euphoric products. It is hereby declared that the subject matter of this Act involves, in the highest degree, the ecological, economic, social, and moral well-being and safety of the State and of all its people. All provisions of this Act shall be liberally construed for the accomplishment of these purposes: to respect human rights, to promote tolerance, and to end cannabis hemp prohibition.
Eddy Lepp​

George Clayton Johnson​

Michael S. Jolson

http://youthfederation.com/cchhi2012.html​

 

[Matt Rize]

http://www.steephilllab.com/industry...t-oct-2010.pdf

Here goes Steep Hill Lab's report, They cover some of the possible affects of Prop on 19 on medical Cannabis.

"1- Shrinking of doctors’ sector. It seems feasible that if patients can get their cannabis without a doctor’s recommendation, they will do so.

2- Reduction of cannabis price overall. While this seems inevitable, Prop. 19 passing or not, the passing could speed up the process. Low income patients who cannot afford recommendations would be able to utilize local dispensaries. The increased demand would be met with increased supply and increased competition from dispensaries. This is a recipe for lower prices on the retail side.

3- Increased effort from outdoor growers to market their products. Outdoor cannabis is far cheaper to produce than indoor. With more price declines, outdoor cannabis becomes more competitive. Technological advances in outdoor growing are already closing the gap between indoor and high- end outdoor quality cannabis. With marketing, consumers may begin to migrate back to outdoor cannabis.

4- Expansion of capital investment from other industries. Investors are waiting for legalization. Hundreds of millions of dollars will flow into the industry over the next five years." Big up the researchers! Some really interesting ideas here, like the outdoor gaining in popularity. GO STEEP HILL LAB!

 

[tc1]

http://www.steephilllab.com/industry...t-oct-2010.pdf

Here goes Steep Hill Lab's report, They cover some of the possible affects of Prop on 19 on medical Cannabis.

"1- Shrinking of doctors’ sector. It seems feasible that if patients can get their cannabis without a doctor’s recommendation, they will do so.

2- Reduction of cannabis price overall. While this seems inevitable, Prop. 19 passing or not, the passing could speed up the process. Low income patients who cannot afford recommendations would be able to utilize local dispensaries. The increased demand would be met with increased supply and increased competition from dispensaries. This is a recipe for lower prices on the retail side.

3- Increased effort from outdoor growers to market their products. Outdoor cannabis is far cheaper to produce than indoor. With more price declines, outdoor cannabis becomes more competitive. Technological advances in outdoor growing are already closing the gap between indoor and high- end outdoor quality cannabis. With marketing, consumers may begin to migrate back to outdoor cannabis.

4- Expansion of capital investment from other industries. Investors are waiting for legalization. Hundreds of millions of dollars will flow into the industry over the next five years." Big up the researchers! Some really interesting ideas here, like the outdoor gaining in popularity. GO STEEP HILL LAB!

1. No more "rollerskate" doctors hanging out at the beach filling prescriptions? Oh well ...

2. Woohoo! Cheaper weed! Outstanding news for medical patients who pay ridiculous prices for medicine.

3. Farmers are gonna be happy. (In more ways than one ... if you know what I mean)

4. Finally! A new industry to help lift the ailing American economy ... Medical marijuana for the economy? Methinks so ....

 

[veggiegardener]

1. No more "rollerskate" doctors hanging out at the beach filling prescriptions? Oh well ...

2. Woohoo! Cheaper weed! Outstanding news for medical patients who pay ridiculous prices for medicine.

3. Farmers are gonna be happy. (In more ways than one ... if you know what I mean)

4. Finally! A new industry to help lift the ailing American economy ... Medical marijuana for the economy? Methinks so ....

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