Im voting yes

[vradd]

so unless something drastic changes (which i doubt since i have the text of prop 19 in front of me) but im voting YES FOR 19. outside of all THEIR reasons as to why it should/shouldnt be legal, heres mine.

--people say other people get cards and 'abuse' the use of it. well dispensaries are "abusing' patients by charging street prices at half the quality.

--dispensaries want to run a professional business yet from my research most dispensary employees dont know crap about sales/ customer service. im sorry to say it but most look like average pot smoking employees who dont know the true educational aspect of it. maybe im just in the wrong region of CA but if thats the case does it really need to come down to a big business showing how it needs to be done? remember right now is the perfect oppurtunity for small shops to make a TRUE impact and make a good name for themselves but they are not. they just want to rap about top shelf strains and give a free joint for helping make their 80% profit off you on that "$60 cap"

--dispensaries abuse the keyterms: donations and compassionate

--dispensaries are more concerned with their profit margins than the well being of patients.

--i agree pot can be abused and DOES alter the users mental perspective. everything else in america that does the same thing IS taxed also. im fine with that.

--if it becomes legal then big business would be forced to gain knowledge on all the strains and what they can accomplish, and not rely on some 30yr guy or 20 yr old hot chick to regurgitate "lots of crystals and dense and stinky" from google.

--if you think legal pot will destroy society because "more" people will be stonned on a daily basis your full of shit and need to go hide in a basement. i know this is a big if saying, but if the avg user has common sense they know their is still a time and place for it.

--i have yet to see anything in text that affects prop 215 patients

--if you dont want to be taxed on such a simple produce, get off your lazy ass and plant some seeds. if your the fortunate type who can afford to just buy it then hey more power to you. if you DONT want to get taxed, then stay underground and buy from your street doc.

--if your hating on regulating 5x5 grow space then your apparently growing more than you need because mathematically 5x5 sq feet has sooooo many variations!

--if this does become legal, street docs are in troubleeeee hehehe

--if this does become legal, and counties do tax that crap out of it, go buy from your street doctor since economics will show he WILL be forced to start taking the hit on prices which actually will still suit him better since his prices will be tax free lol.

--if this DOESNT become legal then our society is a tool

--if this does become legal whats the worst thats going to happen? increased revenue? more people admit to smoking pot? woopie doooo. worried about people being stoned in public? if they are i bet they can still control themselves. worried about someone driving stoned? i can bet the average person if they were too stoned wouldnt try driving like that. and if they did anyways? that still isnt any difference compared to those who are dumbass' and drive drunk now. the difference? mj doesnt hamper your motor skills anywhere near how alcohol can. try standing on 1 foot stoned and try standing on 1 foot drunk. so the arguement for stoned drivers can be a potential but i dont see the risk as many will try to say.

--if this doesnt become legal whats the worst thats going to happen? more reports on the millions of non violent drug offenses? its STILL more money for the govt. either way theyre still going to get their share from the crime convictions.

by not making this legal this just puts more of "that" failed money into their hands and not into local governments. to which our country was founded on remember?

i dare one of yall non prop 19 supporters to rebutle me. what is your arguement going to be on? small business? would your small business be one of the thousands who take advantage of cost to produce and demand to hike prices and make the bad guy street vendors prices look better?

being taxed on something were technically ''legally' allowed to do freely? who cares. this is ONLY the first step. yea it might get taxed like crazy at first but wouldnt that be one hell of a good start to get a movement going to fix those taxes for the next measure to go through? REMEMBER PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE WHATS BEING PUT ON PAPER DOESNT LOOK SMART TO MOST ITS A START AND LUCKILY IT CAN BE IMPROVED ON. and if it turns out to be a big fail then who cares were back to were we are today, the only difference is we as a society were able to stand up and unite against what we the people believe is wrong. remember ITS OUR HISTORY.

 

[stonedmetalhead1]

so unless something drastic changes (which i doubt since i have the text of prop 19 in front of me) but im voting YES FOR 19. outside of all THEIR reasons as to why it should/shouldnt be legal, heres mine.

If it's right in front of you should know how horribly written it is and how it doesn't benefit the average citizen.

--people say other people get cards and 'abuse' the use of it. well dispensaries are "abusing' patients by charging street prices at half the quality.

First of all you can't abuse a right. If a doctor tells you that you need something no one has the right tell you otherwise. As for the dispensaries, if you don't like their product don't buy it. The consumer can determine the market by choosing what they purchase. Also, you don't have to buy from dispensaries. There are plenty of other means to get cheaper and usually better herb.

--dispensaries want to run a professional business yet from my research most dispensary employees dont know crap about sales/ customer service. im sorry to say it but most look like average pot smoking employees who dont know the true educational aspect of it. maybe im just in the wrong region of CA but if thats the case does it really need to come down to a big business showing how it needs to be done? remember right now is the perfect oppurtunity for small shops to make a TRUE impact and make a good name for themselves but they are not. they just want to rap about top shelf strains and give a free joint for helping make their 80% profit off you on that "$60 cap"

Big business in no way can show how it's done. In case you haven't noticed big business is the reason are economy is the way it is right now. again, if you don't like the dispensary then don't support them. Every business can only be judged on a case by case basis and grouping them all together and making generalized statements is somewhat ignorant.

--dispensaries abuse the keyterms: donations and compassionate

These people are taking big risks in a time where everything is changing in order to make a statement. By opening a shop, while they are making money, they are bringing this issue to the public eye and making more people aware which is a good thing allowing marijuana to gain normalcy. The one thing they face by being in the public eye is legal troubles. Dealing with the legal system is costly and you actually need a good bit of money to deal with the types of problems dispensaries could face.

--dispensaries are more concerned with their profit margins than the well being of patients.

Go to CVS or any other drug store and tell me how concerned they are about you. They're not your doctor why should they care about your well being? At the same time each shop is different and generalized statements don't mean much. Clubs are there to supply you a product. You the consumer can determine which establishments continue operate by choosing to give them business or not.

--i agree pot can be abused and DOES alter the users mental perspective. everything else in america that does the same thing IS taxed also. im fine with that.

No, you can make your own beer and not pay tax on it you just can't sell it. Tax on sales is one thing but to tax you to produce your own is horrible. Taxing your grow was put in this bill to make more people think twice about growing and be more willing to go buy from the corporate asshats.

--if it becomes legal then big business would be forced to gain knowledge on all the strains and what they can accomplish, and not rely on some 30yr guy or 20 yr old hot chick to regurgitate "lots of crystals and dense and stinky" from google.

Bullshit! They would just make everything up. It would be more documented after the fact but there is already to much confusion on what's what from people misrepresenting what they have to start a credible database and to prove which strain is which. I'm not so much talking about documented strains so much as the clone only's and the closet crosses and people blatantly making shit up because it has not been greatly documented up to this point.

--if you think legal pot will destroy society because "more" people will be stonned on a daily basis your full of shit and need to go hide in a basement. i know this is a big if saying, but if the avg user has common sense they know their is still a time and place for it.

No one thinks this. They want it legal they just don't like this particular bill and there are others out there. This is just the first bill that made it this far and was created by people who want to control the market.

--i have yet to see anything in text that affects prop 215 patients

It's debatable and it's not so much that it effects medical laws directly it's just how it's worded. The law will be able abuse this loosley written bill because it can be interpreted differently depending on who's reading it and that is the problem.

--if you dont want to be taxed on such a simple produce, get off your lazy ass and plant some seeds. .

Personal grows will be taxed under this bill.

--if your hating on regulating 5x5 grow space then your apparently growing more than you need because mathematically 5x5 sq feet has sooooo many variations!

Who are you to say how much one person consumes or is allowed to consume? Variations? 5x5 is 25 square feet. Thats 1 1000w light and anywhere from 300 to 1200 grams a cycle depending on the strain and the grower.

--if this does become legal, street docs are in troubleeeee hehehe

Quality will always determine the market.

--if this does become legal, and counties do tax that crap out of it, go buy from your street doctor since economics will show he WILL be forced to start taking the hit on prices which actually will still suit him better since his prices will be tax free lol.

What's the point of it being legal if you still need to do things illegaly?

--if this DOESNT become legal then our society is a tool

You are a tool and obviously don't have any sense of what this bill is trying to accomplish.

--if this does become legal whats the worst thats going to happen? increased revenue?

For who? not the average person.

more people admit to smoking pot? woopie doooo. worried about people being stoned in public? if they are i bet they can still control themselves. worried about someone driving stoned? i can bet the average person if they were too stoned wouldnt try driving like that. and if they did anyways? that still isnt any difference compared to those who are dumbass' and drive drunk now. the difference? mj doesnt hamper your motor skills anywhere near how alcohol can. try standing on 1 foot stoned and try standing on 1 foot drunk. so the arguement for stoned drivers can be a potential but i dont see the risk as many will try to say.

No one is arguing this.

--if this doesnt become legal whats the worst thats going to happen? more reports on the millions of non violent drug offenses? its STILL more money for the govt. either way theyre still going to get their share from the crime convictions.

Weed is not the only non-violent crime and there will still be arrests because of the stipulations of this bill.

by not making this legal this just puts more of "that" failed money into their hands and not into local governments. to which our country was founded on remember?

This bill is so far away from what our country is supposed to be about it's not funny.

i dare one of yall non prop 19 supporters to rebutle me. what is your arguement going to be on? small business? would your small business be one of the thousands who take advantage of cost to produce and demand to hike prices and make the bad guy street vendors prices look better?

Because the corporations are going to be so compassionate. yeah right! Yes price will go down and so will the quality. This is supposed to be a free market society and you want to put all of the money in the hands of a few and make the rest work low paying jobs with unfair wages, you are deplorable.

being taxed on something were technically ''legally' allowed to do freely? who cares. this is ONLY the first step. yea it might get taxed like crazy at first but wouldnt that be one hell of a good start to get a movement going to fix those taxes for the next measure to go through? REMEMBER PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE WHATS BEING PUT ON PAPER DOESNT LOOK SMART TO MOST ITS A START AND LUCKILY IT CAN BE IMPROVED ON. and if it turns out to be a big fail then who cares were back to were we are today, the only difference is we as a society were able to stand up and unite against what we the people believe is wrong. remember ITS OUR HISTORY.

Who's the tool?

Once the marijuana corporations gain footing and have enough money they will determine future law because thy can pay for it and I guarantee you it's not going to favorable to the average person.

 

[Luger187]

i typed out a huge rebuttle like stonedmetal did. but i went to highlight a part of it to delete it, and it deleted the whole thing =[

im not typing it again, but stoned pretty much got it right