Voting Against Prop 19 means :

[tc1]

I guess you weren't paying attention in high school Civics.

Under the Constitution, and the reason no broad based appeal to legalize has reached the Supreme Court is that the original Marihuana Tax Act, and all other statutes regarding Cannabis are Constitutionally irrelevant.

The issue has ALWAYS been about "State's Rights".

Obama is the first president since Jimmy Carter to attempt to let a little sanity into the Fed's position.

Of course, he ran into a brick wall of opposition from the DEA and every other government and corporate entity that saw this costing them money.

Follow the money.

Oh, that's right. You get paid to do this.

I don't profit a single penny from ANYTHING marijuana related and I work hard for my money.
But given your stern stance and unwillingness to call things how they are written ... I question whether you are.


And don't tell me that marijuana is a state right. Then why are people STILL going to FEDERAL prison for marijuana? Why are Medical Marijuana facilities STILL being raided by federal agents? It wont be a state right until Cali along with other states decide to legalize it themselves.

 

[veggiegardener]

So veggie ... how much you charge those patients you care so much about for their marijuana?

No need to hide your interior motives behind voting no on Prop 19.

Stupid, aren't you?

I get nothing for it. Basically I provide for my wife. My son and I use almost all the rest.

The 4th person is my oldest friend.

We never charged each other 40 years ago. Why start now?

Nice try.

 

[tc1]

please show me where i said "by weight". once again, you missed my point and you are arguing against yourself.

you made a PERSONAL ATTACK because you had no other defense. it shows desperation on your part. try to stay on the debate and not make it personal. people will better respect you that way.

LOL @ crying about personal attacks. Have you READ what these people have been saying to me? (long before I even made that comment) I guess that shows desperation on their part too huh?

 

[veggiegardener]

I guess I must admit, my buddy has been known to buy me breakfast once in a while.

Does that count?

 

[tc1]

Stupid, aren't you?

That's like Michael Moore calling Michael Phelps fat ...

 

[medicalsb420]

if you've been in the game 20yrs+ , raise yer fuckin hands! you youngster fuckin idiots need to listen to that man "veggiegardener", believe it or not he's looking out for a culture most of you fucks are so quick to sell out! fuckin kids talkin about "growers need real jobs"... listen you little pricks, theres people out here who have been strongly supplying all you little stoners for 50 fucken years- long before you planted yer first little clone! show some gratitude. if these people hadnt risked life and limb while it was still ILLEGAL we wouldnt have shit today as far as a legal movement. why are you so quick to build an empire for DICKHEAD LEE? fuck that perpetrating piece of shit! read this bill... analyze it.. go to school and learn basic economic theory.. review the current u.s farm bill... then speak up on 19. 19 is a clear representation of babylon deuche bags fucking our culture up the ass. as it stands we have the power thru 215-19 will change this.PROP 19 WILL CRIPPLE THE MEDICAL MOVEMENT.

 

[TokinPodPilot]

What rights to marijuana so we have?

The right to get a medical card? That doesn't keep the DEA away if they see fit. "I've got the right to be busted by the DEA and be sent to prison for 5+ years" YIPPEE!

Prop. 19 has no authority and nothing to do with the DEA. Nice deflection, but the utter lack of relevance is rather pathetic.

In any case, since Prop. 19 can only address state law and state law actually already allows for personal consumption and cultivation for personal consumption. Yes, you get a misdemeanor. It's also the only misdemeanor without jail time or arrest/detainment. You get a $100 fine and occasionally have to take a fairly lame "rehab" class. Aside from the misdemeanor charge, this is basically akin to getting a speeding ticket and doing traffic school. In addition, there is currently legislation that is sitting on the Governor desk to lower that offense to an infraction, removing the misdemeanor charge. In fact, the only thing that is really expressly illegal and will definitely land you jail time is "intent to sell" or "proof of sales" for recreational users. But, I expect that like most pro-19er's you'll piss and moan that it's not enough and it's not progress, etc. It's rather predictable at this point. In fact, there is no current limits on garden size for personal consumption. Granted if you have a fairly large one or large numbers of plants, you'll possibly be investigated for potential sales. But, the fact that you aren't selling and the services of a decent cannabis lawyer and that's easily beaten in court. The only thing that Prop. 19 adds is commercial sales for recreational users, a regulatory system with supporting tax structure, and limits on personal consumption which do not exist under current legislation.

And as for you're ridiculous argument that people are abusing Prop 215 and the medical cannabis system. As someone that was there gathering signatures and asking pertinent questions of the writers, no one is abusing the medical system. Prop 215 is for ANYONE that derives ANY benefits whatsoever to quality of life from the use of cannabis. If you'd rather take a rip of cush rather than take aspirin for your headache, that is your right under Prop. 215. Your regular doctor doesn't want to give you a recommendation, then you find one that will. It's no different than any other medical situation.

 

[fdd2blk]

if you've been in the game 20yrs+ , raise yer fuckin hands! you youngster fuckin idiots need to listen to that man "veggiegardener", believe it or not he's looking out for a culture most of you fucks are so quick to sell out! fuckin kids talkin about "growers need real jobs"... listen you little pricks, theres people out here who have been strongly supplying all you little stoners for 50 fucken years- long before you planted yer first little clone! show some gratitude. if these people hadnt risked life and limb while it was still ILLEGAL we wouldnt have shit today as far as a legal movement. why are you so quick to build an empire for DICKHEAD LEE? fuck that perpetrating piece of shit! read this bill... analyze it.. go to school and learn basic economic theory.. review the current u.s farm bill... then speak up on 19. 19 is a clear representation of babylon deuche bags fucking our culture up the ass. as it stands we have the power thru 215-19 will change this.PROP 19 WILL CRIPPLE THE MEDICAL MOVEMENT.

you said "cripple".

 

[veggiegardener]

I don't profit a single penny from ANYTHING marijuana related and I work hard for my money.
But given your stern stance and unwillingness to call things how they are written ... I question whether you are.


And don't tell me that marijuana is a state right. Then why are people STILL going to FEDERAL prison for marijuana? Why are Medical Marijuana facilities STILL being raided by federal agents? It wont be a state right until Cali along with other states decide to legalize it themselves.

Exactly.

I want marijuana legalized, not regulated into oblivion.

If you don't make a dime, you value your time too cheaply. If prop 19 passes, its authors will make a ton of money, selling you pot for $400/oz.

I don't think you'll get much smoke out of your 25 sq. ft.

You strike me as someone who refuses to learn.

Sometimes called a "Seed Killer".

 

[tc1]

if you've been in the game 20yrs+ , raise yer fuckin hands! you youngster fuckin idiots need to listen to that man "veggiegardener", believe it or not he's looking out for a culture most of you fucks are so quick to sell out! fuckin kids talkin about "growers need real jobs"... listen you little pricks, theres people out here who have been strongly supplying all you little stoners for 50 fucken years- long before you planted yer first little clone! show some gratitude. if these people hadnt risked life and limb while it was still ILLEGAL we wouldnt have shit today as far as a legal movement. why are you so quick to build an empire for DICKHEAD LEE? fuck that perpetrating piece of shit! read this bill... analyze it.. go to school and learn basic economic theory.. review the current u.s farm bill... then speak up on 19. 19 is a clear representation of babylon deuche bags fucking our culture up the ass. as it stands we have the power thru 215-19 will change this.PROP 19 WILL CRIPPLE THE MEDICAL MOVEMENT.

"Those who give up liberty in order to gain security do not deserve, nor shall they have either." - Thomas Jefferson.

Prop 19 wont cripple the medical marijuana movement ... it will ENFORCE the rights of LIBERTY for responsible adults to use marijuana in any way they see fit.

 

[tc1]

Exactly.

I want marijuana legalized, not regulated into oblivion.

If you don't make a dime, you value your time too cheaply. If prop 19 passes, its authors will make a ton of money, selling you pot for $400/oz.

I don't think you'll get much smoke out of your 25 sq. ft.

You strike me as someone who refuses to learn.

Sometimes called a "Seed Killer".

You're living in a dream world if you think marijuana is going to be legalized without any regulation.
The ONLY way marijuana is going to be legalized is if we treat it the same way we treat alcohol ... regulated and taxed.


And you can't possibly believe if marijuana is legalized ... thus more accessible ... that marijuana will increase in price. Did alcohol become more expensive after the end of prohibition? Hell no, the price dramatically dropped.

 

[fdd2blk]

"Those who give up liberty in order to gain security do not deserve, nor shall they have either." - Thomas Jefferson.

Prop 19 wont cripple the medical marijuana movement ... it will ENFORCE the rights of LIBERTY for responsible adults to use marijuana in any way they see fit.

as long as your grow is under 25 sqf, and you carry less than an ounce, and no kids are present, and, ...........

 

[Cali.Grown>408]

tc1 who are u?? u aint nobody stop talking like ur thomas jefferson or martin luther..ur dreams are JUST dreams u dont even know what ur talking about..read medical420 and tokinpods post..and everybody else's

 

[Cali.Grown>408]

as long as your grow is under 25 sqf, and you carry less than an ounce, and no kids are present, and, ...........

for real thats bullshit..how bout "its legal so grow as much as u want, it's like a fruit or a flower now" then i would vote yes

 

[tc1]

tc1 who are u?? u aint nobody stop talking like ur thomas jefferson or martin luther..ur dreams are JUST dreams u dont even know what ur talking about..read medical420 and tokinpods post..and everybody else's

u aint nobody either. stop talking like yous know someten. ur opinions are JUST ur opinions. u dont know what ur talking bout either.


LMFAO

 

[fdd2blk]

i'm gonna run to the liquor barn and pick me up a few kegs of IPA.

 

[medicalsb420]

"Those who give up liberty in order to gain security do not deserve, nor shall they have either." - Thomas Jefferson.

i couldnt agree more... the way i see it tho. you are the one giving up liberties (we already have) for security (we already enjoy).

i offer you this; i'll trade you $10 for a crispy $100. by your pro-19 logic, you should love that deal.

 

[tc1]

as long as your grow is under 25 sqf, and you carry less than an ounce, and no kids are present, and, ...........

Gotta start somewhere ....

Did you vote for Prop 215? Was it perfect? Or were you one of those people who said "I can't vote for this, too many loopholes and poor writing, I'll wait until something better comes around" Sound familiar?

And exactly what's wrong with not smoking while a kid is present? I don't approve of exposing children to second hand marijuana smoke either. Prop 19 says NOTHING about it being illegal to smoke marijuana on the same PREMISES of a child. You simply can not smoke in front of a child.

 

[tc1]

"Those who give up liberty in order to gain security do not deserve, nor shall they have either." - Thomas Jefferson.

i couldnt agree more... the way i see it tho. you are the one giving up liberties (we already have) for security (we already enjoy).

i offer you this; i'll trade you $10 for a crispy $100. by your pro-19 logic, you should love that deal.

You're giving up your freedom to smoke marijuana because you have the freedom to do so for any number of reasons in order to gain the security of Prop 215. (Even though they are two ENTIRELY different issues).

Hiding behind Prop 215 might seem like a great ride right now. But wait until they tighten government control on it. (Already starting to happen) It wont be long before you have to get your recommendation from a state certified medical facility and THEY'LL tell you where you can get your marijuana.

You want medical marijuana and that's it? You're about to get it for sure. Along with all the bureaucracy and redtape that comes with any other medicinally classified substance.

 

[TokinPodPilot]

"Those who give up liberty in order to gain security do not deserve, nor shall they have either." - Thomas Jefferson.

Prop 19 wont cripple the medical marijuana movement ... it will ENFORCE the rights of LIBERTY for responsible adults to use marijuana in any way they see fit.

An intellectual quote doesn't really bestow any intellect to you. Your argument is still pretty shallow and naive. Assuming you're on the level and actually believe this tripe your spewing and are not just spewing talking points. Can't quite tell if you're a colluder or capitulant. Either way, the proposition is far to ambiguously worded for you to give ANY assurances against misinterpretation, especially given the propensity of law enforcement and government agencies to decide against the cannabis community. Prop 215 was purposely ambiguous in favor of patients/the public. Prop 19 is purposely ambiguous in favor of law enforcement and government agencies, the majority of which see us as a scourge on society still.