hey riddle, have you thought about trying to shorten the days? like make a 24 hour day into an 18 hour day? withe the spraying of far red light to speed up the switch to active flowering hormone you might be able to get away with 10 hour nights and then cut the day hour by a third to 8 hours... finsih a 12 week from seed in 8? just curious... saw somethign mentioned in one of your threads about the plant like people not being tied to a 24 hour day
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riddleme
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I have thought about it, read about it and discussed it, but nothing I would do as I am never in a hurry
I can understand that, do you think it would work though? I may be under the gun here in finishing what I have , it would not surprise me if it took 6 more weeks to finsih my 3 non-auto plants and if I could shave even a week or 10 days off that it might be worth trying
riddleme
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I have read about folks doing this and they claim it works but does diminish yields, I would be more inclined to chop 10 days early and allow the buds to ferment now that I have seen them finish in the chamber
yeah I've been watching, assuming the trichs still ripen in fermenting, which I believe you have seen ? do you have a guess of how much they can ripen in fermenting? in terms of trich going from cloudy to amber? wiuld you guess they could go from say 5% amber to 50%? or not so much?I have read about folks doing this and they claim it works but does diminish yields, I would be more inclined to chop 10 days early and allow the buds to ferment now that I have seen them finish in the chamber
riddleme
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have been seeing 5 to 10 going to 40 to 50% pretty steadily in the chamber
really? thats awesome ... Ill keep watching your fermentation exercises ...calyxes aren't swelling in ferm are they? cant see how they would.
riddleme
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no they unswell as they dry
gumball
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hey bobhamm, i have read from many to not shorten the whole day, but shorten the light cycle. so maybe 11/13, or 10/14. riddle is still correct that this will diminish yield. it could be a form of stress that will make them hermie, because your screwing with their light, and towards the end of their life. just my .02
DOH!! ... sorry, not enough cofffee in the morningno they unswell as they dry
gumball
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i didnt catch that at first, but LOL. dont we wish they swelled!!DOH!! ... sorry, not enough cofffee in the morning
agreed on the yield, partly just curious in how far you could push them and I just may have to chop early and was wondering if it might speed up the flowering
gumball
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yes, i followed a grower named bagz who dropped to a 10 or 11 hour light length and shortened by what he thought was a week or 2. unless you know the genetics of the plant, and know it finishes at 8 weeks everytime, you really wont know if it will speed up the flowering. the stages of flowering/ripening happen quickly. but if you have to chop you have to chop. do as riddle does, drop the light 15 minutes a day until you get to 11/13. unless you dont mind chopping early and having hte heady high. if it is medicine and not recreational, you may really need a fully mature plant. i know the plants i harvested prematurely did give me more energy/motivation, but they didnt have the effects on the arthritis in my knees. the pain was diminished, but not like a fully ripened plant.
well its all medical for my wife(not that I dont take a hit now and then) and Im fairly sure she will do better with the more amberish trichs its a guess but borne out by the easy ryders we've tested at just cloudy making her paranoid(she has anxiety/panic attacks) so Id be more interested in very amber and less yield as opposed to less amber and more yield, we're in a non-mdeical state and have no "connections" so Im just flying by the seat of my pants with my selection and thoughts as to ambericity (amberiousness?
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gumball
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i understand you there. i have anxiety to, but i am able to cope with mine normally without cannabis. sometimes i get pretty bad, but normally im ok. i was just reading this thread the other day about anxiety https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/365900-need-help-high-cbd-strains.html. obviously different strains affect everyone differently. but it seems your right that the mostly amber will be good for anxiety. it also seems a good indica/sativa hybrid will be good for her. i think riddleme has his northern lights for PTSD, if i remember reading correctly. anxiety is one of the symptoms of PTSD, so may be something to look into. riddleme will be able to speak to that better of course.well its all medical for my wife(not that I dont take a hit now and then) and Im fairly sure she will do better with the more amberish trichs its a guess but borne out by the easy ryders we've tested at just cloudy making her paranoid(she has anxiety/panic attacks) so Id be more interested in very amber and less yield as opposed to less amber and more yield, we're in a non-mdeical state and have no "connections" so Im just flying by the seat of my pants with my selection and thoughts as to ambericity (amberiousness?
riddleme
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Yes my Tilders plant gives me much comfort
here is something that you all may find interesting,,,,,
taken from here,
http://www.hempreport.com/issues/17/malbody17.html
you would be wanting "aged" buds like I do
here is something that you all may find interesting,,,,,
b. Effect of gland age on cannabinoid content
We also examined cannabinoid content of stalked gland by age to measure the major cannabinoid components in both a fiber and drug strain (Table 2). Glands, viewed under a microscope, can be classified according to their secretory phases from the color of their contents. Glands most active in secretion (mature) are translucent in appearance, aged glands are yellow in appearance and senescent glands are brown in color. Mature glands possessed the highest content of their major cannabinoid in both the fiber and drug strains. Senescent glands possessed low levels of cannabinoids. The concentration of some components, as CBD in the drug strains, may be so low that is was not detectable in our analysis; similarly, for THC and CBN in the fiber strain. It is unknown where the cannabinoids go during the aging process, but we suggest that it is possible they volatilize into the atmosphere along with the terpenes in glands, as noted later in this report. Nevertheless, this phenomenon of altered content in glands during aging is one that should be studied to gain a more complete understanding of the secretory process of cannabinoids in the cell.
Table 2. (Above) Cannabinoid content of capitate-stalked glands of different ages.
taken from here,
http://www.hempreport.com/issues/17/malbody17.html
you would be wanting "aged" buds like I do
yeah its interesting reading medical patients views and opinions...anyway, mostly I was concerned with speeding up flower, plus lets face it , most of us just like messing around with stuff to see what will happen... my answer today is that better to harvest early with lower percentage of amber and let it rinpen in fermentation... the fermentation chamber is a lot easier to move than 3 large plants , lighting etc, a fermentation chamber I can handle diy too, you just need to be able to control temp and humidity seperatley , right?
riddleme
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that is essentially correct
thanks for the link, yeah, aged is about what I think too, I was able to get a few different types(no names though) and did some experiments with her, then tried to judge her effect by how I would rate the high. which I am now so that doesnt make sense... anyway, thanks, as always you're a treasuretrove and a credit to the IT community...Yes my Tilders plant gives me much comfort
you would be wanting "aged" buds like I do
Shrubs First
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Riddleme, everythings lookin good here, how you been? Still giving lessons?