thank you accord & n!pples,
and @FeF- This is not a scrog setup, I am using netting, but thats just to support the buds when they fatten up. They were topped once in veg, and then allowed to veg into bushes with little to no training.
@big- thank you for the comments, I appreciate it. And as for them being healthy... I think its just about keeping your environment right, temperature and nutrient wise especially. My BIGGEST problems have always had to do with temp. Now that I have gotten that under control its been a lot easier. I also have been using potassium silicate this run. I cant tell you how strong this stuff seems to be making my stems, and probably leaves as well. I have never had stems this solid. even the skinny low light branches are strong... good stuff. And for lighting I am using 4kw HPS.