Issues With Prop 19 Solved! Now we can all Support it.

Dan Kone

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Shitty...I still don't know which way I want to vote and I know I've read at least 24 hours worth of writing on this prop...
No matter how you vote on prop 19, please remember to vote for Kamala Harris for state Attorney General. Her opponent Steve Cooley considers medical marijuana just a front for growing/selling drugs. He has shut down hundreds of dispensaries in LA where he is currently district attorney. He's made his entire career on throwing people in jail for cannabis.
 

mccumcumber

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2 doors down at my buddies house. kinda why he shut down. the dogs sat down in front of his warehouse door. it's all they needed. :dunce:
That's all they needed because weed isn't legal now. The cops had a reason to enter the house, they witnessed illegal activity. However, prop 19 makes it so a dog smelling weed isn't illegal. There's no way to tell from outside a house how much someone is growing, and a cop cannot enter a house without a warrant. If s/he barges in anyway then any evidence found cannot be used against you in court. Cops will probably be getting warrants if the prop passes based on electricity used. So no, you cannot grow an unlimited amount. You probably could grow a good amount more than 25 sqft and get away with it though... but that's really pushing it, and if you're planning on growing to sell, why not just get a club card?
 

fdd2blk

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That's all they needed because weed isn't legal now. The cops had a reason to enter the house, they witnessed illegal activity. However, prop 19 makes it so a dog smelling weed isn't illegal. There's no way to tell from outside a house how much someone is growing, and a cop cannot enter a house without a warrant. If s/he barges in anyway then any evidence found cannot be used against you in court. Cops will probably be getting warrants if the prop passes based on electricity used. So no, you cannot grow an unlimited amount. You probably could grow a good amount more than 25 sqft and get away with it though... but that's really pushing it, and if you're planning on growing to sell, why not just get a club card?

he's medical. :dunce:
it's as legal for him today as it will be for you tomorrow.




so under prop 19 everyone can grow as much as they want and the cops can't do anything about because it's all been tried in the courts already.

well shit, i gotta get my ballot back. :wall:




who said anything about selling? :?
 

Dan Kone

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That's all they needed because weed isn't legal now. The cops had a reason to enter the house, they witnessed illegal activity. However, prop 19 makes it so a dog smelling weed isn't illegal.
Correct. Any evidence gathered because a dog smells a legal substance will likely be thrown out in court.
 

UncleBuck

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why don't YOU show me how? ;)

you can't.

:hump:


i don't swing that way dude, give up. :(
i don't find you "annoying as fuck". no need for me to ignore you and move on with my merry day.

quite the ego thogh, thinking i want to "swing that way" with you....whatever the fuck you mean by that.

if i was going to be gay with someone, it would be with someone who has the presence of mind to understand decades of legal precedent, like mccumcumber.

what are you doing tonight, mccumcumber? :razz:
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
i don't find you "annoying as fuck". no need for me to ignore you and move on with my merry day.

quite the ego thogh, thinking i want to "swing that way" with you....whatever the fuck you mean by that.
Dude. He's trying to bait you to say something he considers a personal insult so he can lock the thread. Don't play into it.
 

UncleBuck

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he's medical. :dunce:
it's as legal for him today as it will be for you tomorrow.
if he had a reason to grow (medical) and got busted in the way you describe, by simply 'smelling heavy', then he *should* be able to get illegally obtained evidence dismissed. you gave us none of the details. they may have already had a huge case on him for illegal activities anyway.
 

beardo

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Tom Ammiano to the rescue again! He just wrote an assembly bill that fixes all the flaws in prop 19 if it's passed. This solve almost all of everyone's reasonable concerns with prop 19.

Makes medical patients exempt from prop 19 in every way. (no taxes on 215!)
Makes unlawfully cultivation a misdemeanor instead of a felony.
Increases limits from an ounce to a pound.
Makes possession of more than a pound a $100 fine.
Decriminalizes for those under 21.

So the problem is solved. Now we can all vote for prop 19.

http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_0001-0050/abx6_9_bill_20100921_introduced.html
Prop 19 HAS NOT been changed. Tom Ammiano's bill would not automaticaly take effect their would have to be a vote with 2/3 majority in favor of his bill.
 

Weedoozie

Well-Known Member
Must you ridicule one another? Is it too hard to argue factually and without all these emotional insults?
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
if he had a reason to grow (medical) and got busted in the way you describe, by simply 'smelling heavy', then he *should* be able to get illegally obtained evidence dismissed. you gave us none of the details. they may have already had a huge case on him for illegal activities anyway.
maybe he did get it dismissed. AFTER it was all taken. after he was arrested and jailed, after his family was harassed and his home destroyed. but yeah, sure, they can't do shit. ;)
 

mccumcumber

Well-Known Member
he's medical. :dunce:
it's as legal for him today as it will be for you tomorrow.




so under prop 19 everyone can grow as much as they want and the cops can't do anything about because it's all been tried in the courts already.

well shit, i gotta get my ballot back. :wall:
Turns out cops can still arrest you for having weed, even with a card if they're dicks. You need an attorney to help you out of jail or a ticket. I got caught in the central coast with a little less than an ounce, and I had to fight the ticket in court, which is actually a misdemeanor. When weed is only legal for a small amount of the population, there's nothing to stop local law enforcement from going into a house b/c a dog smells weed. The cop had no idea until after he was in (or maybe when your buddy went to jail in his case) that what your buddy was doing was legal. When cops cannot state (or feign) ignorance, then they have no grounds to barge into a house. Eliminating any chance of someone going to jail just because they smell weed.

I never said you could grow as much as you wanted. I actually said that the cop could get a warrant to search your house if you did that, and you would be fucked. All I said was that weed smell will no longer be a reason to invade a house, making the likelihood of getting arrested go WAY down. The whole dunce thing is superfluous man, please don't insult me for no reason.
 

fdd2blk

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Turns out cops can still arrest you for having weed, even with a card if they're dicks. You need an attorney to help you out of jail or a ticket. I got caught in the central coast with a little less than an ounce, and I had to fight the ticket in court, which is actually a misdemeanor. When weed is only legal for a small amount of the population, there's nothing to stop local law enforcement from going into a house b/c a dog smells weed. The cop had no idea until after he was in (or maybe when your buddy went to jail in his case) that what your buddy was doing was legal. When cops cannot state (or feign) ignorance, then they have no grounds to barge into a house. Eliminating any chance of someone going to jail just because they smell weed.

I never said you could grow as much as you wanted. I actually said that the cop could get a warrant to search your house if you did that, and you would be fucked. All I said was that weed smell will no longer be a reason to invade a house, making the likelihood of getting arrested go WAY down. The whole dunce thing is superfluous man, please don't insult me for no reason.

it was several others who keep saying you can grow as much as you want. your reply simply got mixed in with theirs. if it doesn't pertain to you, don't reply to it. i meant no insult towards you.
 

UncleBuck

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maybe he did get it dismissed. AFTER it was all taken. after he was arrested and jailed, after his family was harassed and his home destroyed. but yeah, sure, they can't do shit. ;)
so you have no idea of the details of the case yet shove it in our face as a trump card? :clap:

if his property was taken and he and his family suffered as a result of illegally obtained evidence, he has recourse. it is written in the first amendment. goes under the 'right to petition the government for a redress of grievances'.

understanding your legal rights is not only fun, but helpful.
 

nathenking

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Turns out cops can still arrest you for having weed, even with a card if they're dicks. You need an attorney to help you out of jail or a ticket. I got caught in the central coast with a little less than an ounce, and I had to fight the ticket in court, which is actually a misdemeanor. When weed is only legal for a small amount of the population, there's nothing to stop local law enforcement from going into a house b/c a dog smells weed. The cop had no idea until after he was in (or maybe when your buddy went to jail in his case) that what your buddy was doing was legal. When cops cannot state (or feign) ignorance, then they have no grounds to barge into a house. Eliminating any chance of someone going to jail just because they smell weed.

I never said you could grow as much as you wanted. I actually said that the cop could get a warrant to search your house if you did that, and you would be fucked. All I said was that weed smell will no longer be a reason to invade a house, making the likelihood of getting arrested go WAY down. The whole dunce thing is superfluous man, please don't insult me for no reason.
it wont be a reason, but they still will search you... i dont care what anybody says... maybe in 2-4 years after this law has taken effect they may not search you but make no mistake that if this law changes that the cops are just gonna go with out resistance....
 

fdd2blk

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so you have no idea of the details of the case yet shove it in our face as a trump card? :clap:

if his property was taken and he and his family suffered as a result of illegally obtained evidence, he has recourse. it is written in the first amendment. goes under the 'right to petition the government for a redress of grievances'.

understanding your legal rights is not only fun, but helpful.
um, i know all the details. i just chose not to share them all. you're making shit up now because of it. :roll:


you're so easy it's fun. and i am having fun. :)
 

fdd2blk

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it wont be a reason, but they still will search you... i dont care what anybody says... maybe in 2-4 years after this law has taken effect they may not search you but make no mistake that if this law changes that the cops are just gonna go with out resistance....

dude, if this law passes everyone can do whatever they want. :clap:

cops won't be able to do a thing. and if they do you can sue them.

:)
 
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