Vote NO Prop 19

KlosetKing

KlosetKing

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you mean dont put the greedy monopolies that dispensaries/caregivers/doctors are running with the mmj shroud out of business? no thanks.
 
malicifice

malicifice

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Umm are you sure you got your facts right? Only people this will effect negatively are the illegal. dealers. I actually heard a no on prop 19 this morning that was so false it sounded like a retard wrote it. It claimed anyone can come to work high (nurses,child care providers,police) and not be fired. That best part was because get this."federally protected work rights" anyone else catch that. I am a employer and legal or not ill still fire someone's ass for showing up high. There are no laws now or coming from 19 protecting stoned workers. Only dealers would suffer. On the other hand I used to live in humboldt and I can honestly say that passing 19 would make the county greatly suffer. There are businesses that only keep going because a grower will be there at harvest spending thousands in cash at their stores. But again there dealers,
 
KlosetKing

KlosetKing

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i am not worried about how the illegal growers will suffer. fuck them. get a legit job like the rest of us....

there is absolutely no reason to not legalize in my mind. any step forward is a fucking step, and the illegal growers and doctors that write prescrips and numerous other sources keep getting in the way with stupid reasons about how it will some how 'effect our mmj' (which it wont) or 'hurt humboldt county and its growers'. None of these reasons are good enough. sorry.
 
KlosetKing

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MrStickyScissors said:
fuck prop 19. im voting no. if you dont grow and want to switch from a 9to 5 get sum lights read up and start growing.
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That's the whole thing. i don't WANT to make growing and selling pot illegally to be my 9-5. i want to grow my own and stop paying the ridiculous illegal growers, like the ones in nocal, that funnel money into the hands of our own cartels (biker gangs, etc) let alone illegals paid to protect fields.

To say that the illegal growers in Humboldt aren't hurting anyone is a lie. they are not paying taxes, they are supplying a black market, and are as much of a criminal as i am for being a smoker. yet they have this 'protection' on the whole. sure some get popped here and there, gotta keep the headlines. but never all of them. its a fucking ring, and it keeps shit looking despicable.

i as both a legal mmj smoker AND recreational smoker think its bullshit. It isn't about illness anymore, its about money. who has the 250 to sign up and who doesn't. how often are you hearing of someone with wasting syndrome getting mmj? sure i happens, but it sure as hell aint the 'cash crop' of mmj patients. That title remains for people with insomnia, and carpel tunnel.

we need to stop protecting the rich and the criminal, and start treating marijuana the way we should, a recreational chemical in no more dangerous of a category than tobacco or alcohol. fuck voting no because 'Humboldt's economy might suffer'; and ESPECIALLY fuck voting no because it will put you out of your tax-free criminal 9-5. you're no better than the mob. in fact you're worse.
 
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fdd2blk

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"biker gangs"


hahahhahahahhahaha

where will it end?




prop 19 passing would cause the government to cut federal funding to A LOT of people dependent on it in cali. and it's not biker gangs. ;)
 
KlosetKing

KlosetKing

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fdd2blk said:
"biker gangs"


hahahhahahahhahaha

where will it end?




prop 19 passing would cause the government to cut federal funding to A LOT of people dependent on it in cali. and it's not biker gangs. ;)
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i know for a fact that the Hells Angels alone have been linked to several busts in nocal... but thats besides the point. My point is iam tired of money going to criminals, and iam tired of good people being treated like criminals.

fdd2blk said:
if you don't like "drug dealers" then simply stop going to them. :dunce:
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obviously, i dont go to them =P
 
KlosetKing

KlosetKing

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And that's not to say that you don't bring a valid point. the cut in federal funding would be bad for the already wrecked cali economy. But if there is a state that is going to start it, cali is the one. Oregon and Washington will follow, but they sure as hell wont lead. someone needs to get the ball rolling, and fear of deepening an already dire recession doesn't sound very legitimate to me.
 
MrStickyScissors

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I think it should be legal. I just think that there shouldnt be a limit of 25 sqf for everyone except a couple fucks in oakland that will be able to grow as much as they want. So lets give our money to sum rich guy and keep everyone else that has been growing gud quality bud for the last 20 years out of bizz because he can only grow 5x5. sounds to me like that prop is a way for very few people to get rich and bring alot of people down
 
KlosetKing

KlosetKing

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MrStickyScissors said:
I think it should be legal. I just think that there shouldnt be a limit of 25 sqf for everyone except a couple fucks in oakland that will be able to grow as much as they want. So lets give our money to sum rich guy and keep everyone else that has been growing gud quality bud for the last 20 years out of bizz because he can only grow 5x5. sounds to me like that prop is a way for very few people to get rich and bring alot of people down
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i find the difference is you no longer need to rely on them. are you not capable of growing what you need in 25sq ft? there are plenty of methods that can utilize that space for plenty of yield.

i would never be so bold as to say that this bill is perfect. nor would i try to deny that it would undoubtedly make somebody rich somebody poor. i just feel that almost any step at this point is a good step, and this one isnt the marijuana doomsday that mj doctors/dispensaries/caregivers and patients (and do i even need to say, illegal growers/dealers) want you to think it is. its gone on too long!
 
MrStickyScissors

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KlosetKing said:
i find the difference is you no longer need to rely on them. are you not capable of growing what you need in 25sq ft? there are plenty of methods that can utilize that space for plenty of yield.

i would never be so bold as to say that this bill is perfect. nor would i try to deny that it would undoubtedly make somebody rich somebody poor. i just feel that almost any step at this point is a good step, and this one isnt the marijuana doomsday that mj doctors/dispensaries/caregivers and patients (and do i even need to say, illegal growers/dealers) want you to think it is. its gone on too long!
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I sum what agree with that. but you have to figure that no matter what happens weed is still going to be in the 200 dollar an ounce range. it cost alot to grow it indoor. I sell my purple for 220 a zip I find that fair. what needs to happen is people need to stop being so greedy and charging 350 to 400 dollars a zip.the last pic i just croped its not purple its green kush from the coffee shop in oakland
 
colonuggs

colonuggs

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If you live in california and you dont already grow your own weed.... your just retarded

I dont live in cali and I been growing for almost 20yrs....I havent had to buy any weed in 20 yrs

At the present time the State can not Tax weed crops without a vote.......with 19 they can impose any tax amount they choose fit.... without any voting


Reasons to Vote No


1. Proposition 19 isn’t really legalization. It only allows possession of up to one ounce of cannabis. Under current California law, an ounce or less of pot isn’t an arrestable offense. And soon this amount will be a simple civil infraction. Prop 19 doesn’t make any improvements to decriminalization or prop 215.

2. Prop 19 creates several new cannabis related crimes with extremely severe penalties. Don’t pass a joint to a 17 year old, you will be looking at a max of 7 years in state prison, seriously.

3. Prop 19 is solely designed to allow large scale cannabis production by politically connected corporations. Oakland has already granted a license to the Prop 19 Cartel.

4. Most legal experts agree that Prop 19 is poorly written and will leave police and judges to enforce it at their discretion. For example, consuming cannabis would be illegal in the same "space" as a minor. Police and judges are free to interpret the word "space" to mean the same room, house, or entire apartment complex.

5. There is no need to rush into a law that will be difficult to change. There are better full legalization laws, including one set to be on the ballot in 2012.

6. Prop 19 will lead to the walmartization of the cannabis industry. And unfortunately, this will result in lower quality and fixed prices. Limited competition and government control will allow large scale growers to determine prices and dictate quality standards (or lack thereof).

7. Local governments will control the taxation, production, and distribution of cannabis. This is a touchy political issue; most local politicians won’t risk a backlash by allowing dispensaries in their city. This means many people will have to travel long distances or break the law to purchase cannabis.


8. The federal government has decided to not prosecute medical cannabis users. This will not be the case if Prop 19 passes. Many people believe that the passage of Prop 19 will bring an aggressive response from the feds, perhaps putting medical users at risk of losing access to medicine
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JayTrinity

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The law looks like it was written by pot heads. under prop 19 what if a Mexican drug lord paid for a county permit to grow 10,000 plants would you still like prop 19 because it opens Pandoras box for corruption and confusion.
 
KlosetKing

KlosetKing

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colonuggs said:
If you live in california and you dont already grow your own weed.... your just retarded

I dont live in cali and I been growing for almost 20yrs....I havent had to buy any weed in 20 yrs

At the present time the State can not Tax weed crops without a vote.......with 19 they can impose any tax amount they choose fit.... without any voting
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oh em gee! you mean they will start taxing it like they tax everything else that's legally produced? oh em gee indeed. we've NEVER paid an unfair tax before..... so why would it be worth it now to stop arresting millions of Americans that SHOULD NOT be treated like criminals every year?

JayTrinity said:
The law looks like it was written by pot heads. under prop 19 what if a Mexican drug lord paid for a county permit to grow 10,000 plants would you still like prop 19 because it opens Pandoras box for corruption and confusion.
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a Mexican drug lord probably wouldn't be able to get the permit.... as he probably wouldn't be a legal citizen. Oh and corruption is already plaguing the mmj industry, what between all the corrupt dispensaries and mmj doctors lining their pockets.

Sorry, but again just more stupid excuses that don't actually make any sense. just misdirection to protect your ALREADY corrupt industry.
 
Dan Kone

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MrStickyScissors said:
fuck prop 19. im voting no. if you dont grow and want to switch from a 9to 5 get sum lights read up and start growing.
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Why not just form a legal business and keep growing? The only people prop 19 puts out of business are those who are too lazy to form a legal business. Laziness is a really stupid reason to support prohibition. This is an opportunity.
 
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