Fairly new grower wants opinions and other help!

This post is rather long giving info about my plants. Any advice and tips much appreciated.

I am currently growing a strand called Ice. I am closet growing. My closet is only about 2 feet deep and about 3 feet wide. Currently I have 1 plant that is 40 days old, and one that is 31 days old. I have a 20inch flourescent tube running verticle with each plant, that are 1650 lumens a piece. Also I have a dome light over each plant. One dome has a reptigro 5.0 uva\uvb bulb. The other has a sunglo bulb. I believe each bulb is 500 lumens. Everyday I rotate each plant a quarter turn as well as switch the plants placements under the two different bulbs.

Each plants is growing in a topped gallon jug, with miracle grow potting soil. At the plants four week mark I introduced a 20-20-20 plant food. I mixed one gallon of water with 2 indoor sized scoops of food. Which was 2x the dose suggested. Watering like usual until the gallon was gone. I plan on continuing this evey two weeks.

I also use a 4inch fan as well as a low grade humidifier and spray bottle. Only using bottled water vs tap.

Everyday multiple times a day I spray the plant to resist against drying out. Also I lightly bend each branch downward as to allow good light to all limbs. Now for some specifics on each plant.

Plant 1 - 40 days as of 10\28\2010
At 4 weeks plant had 4 nodes and height of about 5 inches. Today the plant has 7 nodes. The bottom three have been pruned. The nodes have new nodes starting at the main stalk. Including the highest of the pruned ones. The plant is about 6inches.
On 10\28\2010 I accidentily snapped one of the branches on the 6th node up. I carefully cut the branch off as if pruning made another cleaner cut and submerged this nodes stem in water. Hoping to clone. Starting at the 5 node from the bottom the plant has 5 leafed nodes. This planted needed support since the first week and is just about sturdy enough to hold itself.

Plant 2 - 31 days as of 10\28\2010
At 4 weeks plant had 4 nodes at a height of 2 1\2inches. Growth was stunted due to compact soil above seed. Now the plant has the starts of the 7th node and about 3 1\2inches tall. With new nodes from the 2nd node up. The bottom 2 nodes have been pruned. Plant has 5 leaf nodes starting at the 5th node.

Both plants get yellowing edges on the leaves but overall look healthy. I plan on continuing 24 hour light period until at least 8 weeks old.

I would like to hear from expierienced growers. Whether its good or bad feedback. Tell me what I am doing wrong and tell me what I need to continue with. Thanks.
 

ilove2sell

Active Member
First and best way to get some better product is to dump that mircle grow and buy some real nutes. I am not a fan of that stuff at all. I would buy some good soil like PROMIX or BECUZZ and transplant them before flowering. Then go out and buy some good flowering nutes. You don't have to buy top $ nutes to get a good product. After that I would invest some better lights.....

IMO only.... I am by no means an expert however I am grown some nice looking budzzzzz....

Cheers!!

One more thing... If you get some real lights you will see your plants TAKE OFF in growth.... them seem to be growing very slowy even with issues.
 

Snow Crash

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You need to ditch all of your lighting as well. Get yourself some 6500K CFL bulbs (27w) and a few clamp light reflectors. At 40 days old your plant should be 2 or 3 feet tall, not 6 inches.
 

Snow Crash

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No. They aren't.

This:
fluorotube.jpg

Is not this:
cfl.jpg

Also your UV lights, and basking lights, are not for growing with.

As I stated before. 6 inches in 40 days is about as bad as I've ever heard. I'm actually surprised your plants are even alive.
 

Kerovan

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what's your point? these spiral wound compact flourescents with built in ballasts are not the only compact flourescents made. In fact, they are not even the first type of compact flourescents made. I've been using compact flourescents in my aquariums for a long time, and not one of them is that cheap spiral kind that screws in. They are all long bulbs with pins. And no, they aren't t5's either.
 

Snow Crash

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You're a fool dude.

COMPACT fluorescent bulbs are just that. COMPACT!!!

I know what they are, and how long they have been around.

I'm suggesting he use this technology because, get this, it's more efficient for just 1 or 2 plants.

You are the one who is clearly confused. What you have are called Fluorescent Tubes, they are not CFL. Notice how they are not "compacted." You have 2 feet of lighting, and it's 20 some odd watts, so you're looking at about 1 watt per square inch. Or... you get the kind that has all those watts twisted together so that you can focus it on your plant which is only a few inches wide.

T5 lighting is obviously designed for growing. This person is not using T5 though, so your statement holds no water and is really just inflammatory. For this grower, CFL lighting is an obvious addition to their grow. If the grower had a nicely sized garden that will utilize all of the energy then T5 strip lighting is fine. For smaller gardens where you need to focus your energy on to just one or two plants CFL bulbs work great.

Would I suggest CFL to a T5 user? No.
 

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Yes I know. I have two tube lights that run vertical with the plants. The bulbs are 20 inches long f15t8s. I know there not the best light but there what I ca afford right now. Plus where I live doesn't have that good a selection. But they are cfls. As for the reptigrow, I know its not meant for this but its a little extra light. The other bulb I have is a sun lamp for plants. So as I said may not be the best but its what I got. But for future reference when I have a better funding system what specific bulb would you recommend?
 

Snow Crash

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CFL is not a tube light. Period. They are COMPLETELY different!!!

WTF is going on here guys?

Tube lighting. Strip lighting. Yes it is fluorescent but it is most obviously NOT COMPACT!!!

Compact Fluorescent Bulbs are, by definition, the twisty kind.

What you're trying to say is the equivalent to "Apples are fruit. Oranges are fruit. Therefore, Apples are Oranges." CFL is not tube lighting. I cannot make this any more clear than I already have. If you still don't get it you probably never will.

CFL bulbs are $3.50 each.

To say "this is what I got" is to say you don't have $5 to actually grow your plant with. Might as well not waste your time and the energy. Your sun lamps are not providing "sun light." They are providing heat, and plants don't grow on heat.
 
I'm just saying the package said the sun light was meant for plant growth. Would you say I should get these small twisty kind of bulbs? I have one but its meant for my lizard. It does have a high uva\uvb output, but I didn't know if that would help or not so I've just been using it. I have a very small budget for this. Would the cfls, small spirally ones, work for my plants? Or would the tubes be better?
 

fatality

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dude, if you want to go cheap get a bunch of a the small "twisty" cfl's, pick em up from wall mart, make sure to get 6500k spectrum ones, but the 6500k spectrum is for veg only, make sure to keep them fuckers as close as you can to the plant or the intensity will diminish, even if they are 1 more inch away than they could be, you would have diminishing return as far as photons go. keep them fuckjers as close to your plant(s) as possible, when you change the light cycle however (12/12) you will want to purchase more cfl's with more of a red spectrum (just look on the label) 3000k or so. make your ratio of bulbs when flowering to be about 2/3 red spectrum , 1/3 blue spectrum. the more bulbs you have the better end product you will have. you cant grow a jungle with these bulbs but you still can manage to have a decent crop off of 2 plants with this method. so start out with 24 hour light , then when they are bout 1 1/2 - 2 feet tall switch the cycle to 12/12 and introduce the red spectrum bulbs. do what i say and you will produce bud. or save your damn money and get a nice 600 watter. I start my plants out with 3 shoplight fixtures that hold two 48" t8 6500k bulbs, the sproutlings seem to love it. let me know if this helps. gimme some rep too lol
 

Kerovan

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CFL is not a tube light. Period. They are COMPLETELY different!!!

WTF is going on here guys?

Tube lighting. Strip lighting. Yes it is fluorescent but it is most obviously NOT COMPACT!!!

Compact Fluorescent Bulbs are, by definition, the twisty kind.
you shouldn't argue with your betters when you obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about. :wall:

here is one ende of a box I have with a spare bulb in it for my aquarium. Notice it says "Compact Flourescent" ? notice it's almost 22" long? It is not spiral or wound. it is straight.
 

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Snow Crash

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you shouldn't argue with your betters when you obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about. :wall:

here is one ende of a box I have with a spare bulb in it for my aquarium. Notice it says "Compact Flourescent" ? notice it's almost 22" long? It is not spiral or wound. it is straight.
I've contacted the retailer of your bulb to investigate the apparently erroneous labeling.
I guess we have a different way of defining compact. See, I think of compact to mean compressed into a smaller area. Those bulbs couldn't be bigger, so I'm really unsure what makes them "compact." Despite the label I still don't consider them to be compact, and I surely don't consider someone who uses aquarium lighting to be my "better."

Nice try though.

I'll let you know what SunPaq says about this topic.
 

Kerovan

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I've contacted the retailer of your bulb to investigate the apparently erroneous labeling.
I guess we have a different way of defining compact. See, I think of compact to mean compressed into a smaller area. Those bulbs couldn't be bigger, so I'm really unsure what makes them "compact." Despite the label I still don't consider them to be compact, and I surely don't consider someone who uses aquarium lighting to be my "better."

Nice try though.

I'll let you know what SunPaq says about this topic.
you better contact GE, Corallife, Current and other manufacurers as well. They all make compact flourescents like that also.
 

Kerovan

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here, scroll down to where they describe compact flourescents;

http://www.fosterandsmithaquatics.com/pic/article.cfm?acatid=287&aid=228

Compact fluorescent are higher light output versions of standard fluorescent light systems. Instead of single tube bulbs, compact fluorescent systems incorporate dual or quad tube bulbs for greater light output from a single bulb. A single compact fluorescent light fixture easily does the job of two standard fluorescent fixtures. This space-saving feature makes compact fluorescent systems a great choice when upgrading from standard fluorescent systems.
 

rsharp

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wow this thread is nuts. a 6 inch plant thats 40 days old. i would re-read all the stickies again bud! Snow Crash is right the CFL's that marijuana growers talk about are these: https://www.rollitup.org/cfl-growing/107992-tutorial-growing-cfls.html.. Kerovan is just confusing this person even more. im gonna do you a favor and post some links in here for you home grower:

lighting: https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/723-things-know-about-lighting.html
https://www.rollitup.org/cfl-growing/57813-advantage-v-disadvantage-cfls.html
https://www.rollitup.org/cfl-growing/107992-tutorial-growing-cfls.html
 
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