Prop 19 Loosing Major Ground!?

[Needofweed]

prop 19 seems to be loosing major grounds says this new poll realsed 10/31/2010.


http://www.sacbee.com/2010/10/31/3146298/prop-19-trailing-by-7-points-in.html

 

[mr2shim]

Not saying it isn't true, but polls said Obama was losing major ground back in 08. I don't really believe in polls. It's only a few hundred people they are asking. That poll was 1,092. If California's population was that then I'd believe it.

 

[NLNo5]

Fuck the establishment, those bangers will do anything to keep us from gods greatest gift.

 

[veggiegardener]

Misinformation from both sides has making a NO vote the only real option on this issue.

The YES crowd wrote an extremely flawed bill, and has chosen to refuse to recognize those flaws.

The opposition has been even worse, with ridiculous claims of disaster.

I voted NO because there is no benefit, and potentially a lot of harm to myself and my family.

And THAT'S always the bottom line for any voter.

How does a bill benefit YOU?

 

[potroast]

Let's see what your family says when you get thrown in jail.

Like I've said, the big picture is difficult to grasp, so don't feel badly.

Please vote YES.

 

[Kindwoman]

Not saying it isn't true, but polls said Obama was losing major ground back in 08. I don't really believe in polls. It's only a few hundred people they are asking. That poll was 1,092. If California's population was that then I'd believe it.

SOOOOO TRUE! Polls are extremely misleading (case in point - Obama's poll rating just prior to the 2008 election). Sometimes I think that the NO polls are trying to discourage the people - get them thinking "What's the point?" Don't fall for it. Get out there and vote!

 

[veggiegardener]

Let's see what your family says when you get thrown in jail.

Like I've said, the big picture is difficult to grasp, so don't feel badly.

Please vote YES.

I'm completely legal. If I go to jail, it will be for shooting you when you try to rob me. Of course, I'd get out the next day.

Without going into detail, the Feds know where I live, and how much I grow. They are also aware that they would lose in any court in California.

 

[potroast]

Well, that just proves how delusional you are! I said the same thing 2 years ago, and last year they came for me and wiped me out. When they want to take you down, they will, "legal" or not. If you understood that, you would be voting yes.


If Prop 19 passes, it will be HUGE for the world!

I voted YES.

 

[fdd2blk]

Well, that just proves how delusional you are! I said the same thing 2 years ago, and last year they came for me and wiped me out. When they want to take you down, they will, "legal" or not. If you understood that, you would be voting yes.


If Prop 19 passes, it will be HUGE for the world!

I voted YES.

um, prop 19 is a STATE initiative. the feds will still come get you.
it appears you don't understand that.

if you were compliant under 215 and you still took charges then how can you possibly feel prop 19 will help you? it makes no sense. you were compliant, weren't you?

 

[fdd2blk]

drive-by poster.

 

[desert dude]

I'm completely legal. If I go to jail, it will be for shooting you when you try to rob me. Of course, I'd get out the next day.

Without going into detail, the Feds know where I live, and how much I grow. They are also aware that they would lose in any court in California.

I am not so sure the feds would lose. If the feds charge you, they will try you in a federal court. The jury will not be allowed to hear anything about P215, or P19 if it passes because those pertain to CA law and are irrelevant to federal law. The jury will be forced to consider only federal law. If you are lucky, you will get one juror who is willing to nullify the feds case and wind up with a hung jury; most likely you won't be lucky.

By posting this I am not implying that I approve of federal, I do not.

 

[Needofweed]

SOOOOO TRUE! Polls are extremely misleading (case in point - Obama's poll rating just prior to the 2008 election). Sometimes I think that the NO polls are trying to discourage the people - get them thinking "What's the point?" Don't fall for it. Get out there and vote!

well if I was a Yes voter I would rather see polls that show it winning 2 days from election day.But Im a No voter so Im happy to see this poll so close to the end.
I cant wait tell this is all over and we can all say P19 sucks.

 

[potroast]

um, prop 19 is a STATE initiative. the feds will still come get you.
it appears you don't understand that.

if you were compliant under 215 and you still took charges then how can you possibly feel prop 19 will help you? it makes no sense. you were compliant, weren't you?

Yes, I am compliant with all of our laws. It was STATE pigs that were in the swat team. Obviously there's something about it that YOU don't understand.

Ask my friend Jovan Jackson who was just found guilty in STATE court for operating a dispensary. Prosecuted under STATE law, by STATE pigs, and found guilty in a STATE court. The DA convinced the judge to not allow his medical defense, in STATE court. If you need me to explain it in more detail, don't ask.


If Prop 19 passes, it will be HUGE for the world!

 

[The Ruiner]

Yes, I am compliant with all of our laws. It was STATE pigs that were in the swat team. Obviously there's something about it that YOU don't understand.

Ask my friend Jovan Jackson who was just found guilty in STATE court for operating a dispensary. Prosecuted under STATE law, by STATE pigs, and found guilty in a STATE court. The DA convinced the judge to not allow his medical defense, in STATE court. If you need me to explain it in more detail, don't ask.


If Prop 19 passes, it will be HUGE for the world!

I'd rather know who your attorney was...just so no one else hires them.

 

[fdd2blk]

Yes, I am compliant with all of our laws. It was STATE pigs that were in the swat team. Obviously there's something about it that YOU don't understand.

Ask my friend Jovan Jackson who was just found guilty in STATE court for operating a dispensary. Prosecuted under STATE law, by STATE pigs, and found guilty in a STATE court. The DA convinced the judge to not allow his medical defense, in STATE court. If you need me to explain it in more detail, don't ask.


If Prop 19 passes, it will be HUGE for the world!

how would prop 19 be any different then 215?

you got arrested under 215, a state prop.

why wouldn't you get arrested under 19?

am i missing something?

 

[sm0keyrich510]

ive been hearing for awhile now that prop 19's support is falling down more and more as the days near to the election.

im honestly not shocked when i read this in the article:

The reversal in attitudes comes after U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder announced his opposition to the measure and said the Justice Department would "vigorously enforce" federal marijuana laws in California if voters approved it.

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this is what i figured would happen even if it were to pass. the voters in california (and all over the u.s. for that matter but idk y those out of state are trying to tell us how to vote...) seem to forget that when trying to pass something like this (which DIRECTLY conflicts federal law) that the government is going to get the last word in. if not there are plenty of ways to punish california should it pass and california refuses to stop it from going through...they can withhold grant money which would be a touchy subject in california given the budget crisis.

i think legalization is what we need. i truly do...but i think prop 19 is the wrong road to legalization. the measure is severely flawed with too many loopholes and to be honest if legalization has a chance it must be on a federal level...

pass or fail on the ballots on tuesday its still going to ultimately FAIL.

remember california is apart of the u.s.a....not the other way around. california (honestly) doesn't have the authority to legalize a "drug" that the federal government clearly indicates as illegal. medical marijuana is different than legalization...thats why obama has said they will not target those with medical cards who follow the rules...

besides when you get down to the meat and potatoes of prop 19 you soon realize it was truly written up for the biggest/baddest growers to profit and the rest of us to give up our $$$. prop 19 creates a monopoly of sorts to the rich bastards (like richard lee and his businesses).

HOPEFULLY this doesn't pass and in 2 years they come up with a much better bill that truly does benefit EVERYONE (not just big business or recreational users...but everyone!)

 

[sm0keyrich510]

well if I was a Yes voter I would rather see polls that show it winning 2 days from election day.But Im a No voter so Im happy to see this poll so close to the end.
I cant wait tell this is all over and we can all say P19 sucks.

amen.

i really think a good majority of prop 19 supporters either:
A) don't know EXACTLY what they are voting for..

OR

B) they dont care and wont admit to others the bill sucks because they "think" (or are just lying and know its not true) a bill can be amended once its passed (this is not true).

prop 19 only benefits the biggest growers and those who are paranoid about carrying a dub sack in their pockets down the streets (FYI guys most cops will more than likely just take your bud...or in most cases will give it back to you as mj has been listed as a non-priority in californa...especially minor possession of small amounts!)

i think its really messed up that people will flat out lie and tell everyone 19 is merely "legalization" (when its not and legalization of mj CAN NOT happen on a state level as the federal government can block it from going through should it pass)

prop 19 is not LEGALIZATION...prop 19 is TAX and CONTROL (more emphasis on CONTROL) the mj industry...its mostly a bill set up so legit businesses can open up and force you to buy from them...we hate the oil companies in the middle east dominating the market right? well prop 19 is going to give california its own oil companies...but instead of oil...think cannabis.

im glad the government will block this should it pass (finally they do something right).

 

[sm0keyrich510]

I am not so sure the feds would lose. If the feds charge you, they will try you in a federal court. The jury will not be allowed to hear anything about P215, or P19 if it passes because those pertain to CA law and are irrelevant to federal law. The jury will be forced to consider only federal law. If you are lucky, you will get one juror who is willing to nullify the feds case and wind up with a hung jury; most likely you won't be lucky.

By posting this I am not implying that I approve of federal, I do not.

this is true. should 19 pass the feds COULD (and probably WOULD) come to ca and just bust people left and right and the feds dont bust you and send you to state court it is federal and everything you said is true...they could send up to jail in federal court...and should 19 pass the feds can (and possibly will) send people to jail if ca refuses to pull prop 19 (if it passes)

 

[desert dude]

ive been hearing for awhile now that prop 19's support is falling down more and more as the days near to the election.

im honestly not shocked when i read this in the article:

The reversal in attitudes comes after U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder announced his opposition to the measure and said the Justice Department would "vigorously enforce" federal marijuana laws in California if voters approved it.

​

this is what i figured would happen even if it were to pass. the voters in california (and all over the u.s. for that matter but idk y those out of state are trying to tell us how to vote...) seem to forget that when trying to pass something like this (which DIRECTLY conflicts federal law) that the government is going to get the last word in. if not there are plenty of ways to punish california should it pass and california refuses to stop it from going through...they can withhold grant money which would be a touchy subject in california given the budget crisis.

i think legalization is what we need. i truly do...but i think prop 19 is the wrong road to legalization. the measure is severely flawed with too many loopholes and to be honest if legalization has a chance it must be on a federal level...

pass or fail on the ballots on tuesday its still going to ultimately FAIL.

remember california is apart of the u.s.a....not the other way around. california (honestly) doesn't have the authority to legalize a "drug" that the federal government clearly indicates as illegal. medical marijuana is different than legalization...thats why obama has said they will not target those with medical cards who follow the rules...

besides when you get down to the meat and potatoes of prop 19 you soon realize it was truly written up for the biggest/baddest growers to profit and the rest of us to give up our $$$. prop 19 creates a monopoly of sorts to the rich bastards (like richard lee and his businesses).

HOPEFULLY this doesn't pass and in 2 years they come up with a much better bill that truly does benefit EVERYONE (not just big business or recreational users...but everyone!)

You sound like your mind is closed on the matter, but the fed has no supremacy in this matter. CA has every right to pass and implement P19. The feds hands are completely tied.


https://www.aclu-sc.org/releases/view/103050

 

[desert dude]

this is true. should 19 pass the feds COULD (and probably WOULD) come to ca and just bust people left and right and the feds dont bust you and send you to state court it is federal and everything you said is true...they could send up to jail in federal court...and should 19 pass the feds can (and possibly will) send people to jail if ca refuses to pull prop 19 (if it passes)

Maybe so. That is all the more reason to vote FOR prop 19. This is a fight that we need to have.