beardo
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that is a total lie
Prop 19 Loosing Major Ground!?
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desert dude
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Well, the ACLU disagrees with you, and Dave Nick disagrees with you, and retired Judge Jim Gray disagrees with you. Your credentials as a constitutional lawyer are not overwhelming, Beardo. If the feds have a supremacy clause case with P19, then they just as surely have as strong a case against P215, yet they have done nothing regarding P215; that ought to tell you something.
potroast
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Oh, Yeah, right. It must be my attorney's fault. Nice deflection, dolt.
NOW you're starting to understand ...
beardo
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thanks for the enlightenment your post was very informative I can tell you have read and can fathom the complexities of prop 19What an idiot.
newgrowboxgrower
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im from canada and very interested in this issue, i may not understand your government structure, but what i wonder is why would the federal government even allow this prop 19 to be voted on if they have no intention of giving it any credibility if it passes?
veggiegardener
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I've followed and been appalled at the shenanigans pulled by some dispensaries.Yes, I am compliant with all of our laws. It was STATE pigs that were in the swat team. Obviously there's something about it that YOU don't understand.
Ask my friend Jovan Jackson who was just found guilty in STATE court for operating a dispensary. Prosecuted under STATE law, by STATE pigs, and found guilty in a STATE court. The DA convinced the judge to not allow his medical defense, in STATE court. If you need me to explain it in more detail, don't ask.
If Prop 19 passes, it will be HUGE for the world!
One was selling hundreds of pounds out the back door to individual dealers. That one was closed down by the Feds, but never prosecuted.
They were satisfied to take the Money, Weed and ownership of the property, and dared the owner to do something about it. He lost about a million dollars.
If the "state"(county?) was involved, JJ probably had some back door action, as well. They will bust people if they're adding to the street dealing problem, or failing to pay at least sales tax and income tax.
People don't get convicted for running a clean, transparent operation.
The best dispensaries are very much in partnership with law enforcement, because they benefit from doing so.
desert dude
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The US federal government does not control the state governments, at least that is what the tenth amendment to the US constitution says. There are many who say that the tenth amendment is a "dead letter" and means nothing. This position is one of the factors that gave rise to the tea-party.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
beardo
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They have done nothing???? on 215??? since its inception?? really? Do you actually believe that or did you just think I would?
desert dude
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Nothing in regard to the supremacy clause, which is the point you raised regarding to P19.
The Ruiner
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Then I guess the only logical conclusion to this is that... I dont even have to say it...Oh, Yeah, right. It must be my attorney's fault. Nice deflection, dolt.
veggiegardener
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Well, now that you've chimed in, I regret not voting twice.What an idiot.
With your help we can DEFEAT P19!
desert dude
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Actually, we know the answer to that question. Last year about 800,000 people were arrested for MJ charges in the US. The feds spent about $20B on their part. The states probably spent about the same amount. Oppressing people ain't cheap, or effective for that matter, but it sure is a lot of fun.
veggiegardener
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Prop 19 passing would show the world that even the best ideas can be corrupted by greed.
desert dude
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I would rebut that if I understood what you were talking about.
Viagro
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There are plenty of reasons not to like prop 19, but this is just a foot in the door, and the problems can be ironed out.
The bigger picture is the impact this will have on the country over all. It will create a nationwide debate that
will drive things in the right direction and create an unstoppable momentum for more mature, lucid and realistic legislation.
That's what I think, anyway. I see too many narrow, shortsighted opinions on this matter.
The bigger picture is the impact this will have on the country over all. It will create a nationwide debate that
will drive things in the right direction and create an unstoppable momentum for more mature, lucid and realistic legislation.
That's what I think, anyway. I see too many narrow, shortsighted opinions on this matter.
The Ruiner
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May I ask your locale, sir?
veggiegardener
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Shortsightedness doesn't come into it. Most of those here over 40 are experienced with this issue, over long decades. We know that we don't want to refight battles we've already won over MMJ.
Write a better law and you'll get our support.
Oh, Yeah, right. It must be my attorney's fault. Nice deflection, dolt.
NOW you're starting to understand ...
prop 215 and prop 19 are both state initiatives. neither one will save you from your little raid.
it appears YOU will never understand.