Could You Survive A Zombie Outbreak?

RavenMochi

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Bricktop, I think you've just shown me the most beautiful house in the world...†LOL† That is the definition of safety and security, be it zombie, invasion, terrorist attack, alien attack, nuclear blast....nice...
 

Brick Top

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Bricktop, I think you've just shown me the most beautiful house in the world...†LOL† That is the definition of safety and security, be it zombie, invasion, terrorist attack, alien attack, nuclear blast....nice...

I wanted to purchase one, though not one that was finished out like that or with an above ground home built. I looked around for ones that were still in the bare stripped condition they were left in when decommissioned. What I found were basically toxic dumps and nightmares or ones like I posted, uber-expensive.

There is a Titan 1 missile site in Colorado for sale. It has three silos and it is three miles long from one end to the other and something like 70,000 square feet ... without building in the three silos. You can purchase it for a cool $2mil.

One like it, I believe in Oklahoma, was turned into a high school.

One thing for sure is you would NEVER have to worry about the cops kicking in your door in the middle of the night to catch you growing. If a nuke wouldn't crack the place a cops boot or a shaped charge wouldn't get them in.
 

420God

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I wanted to purchase one, though not one that was finished out like that or with an above ground home built. I looked around for ones that were still in the bare stripped condition they were left in when decommissioned. What I found were basically toxic dumps and nightmares or ones like I posted, uber-expensive.

There is a Titan 1 missile site in Colorado for sale. It has three silos and it is three miles long from one end to the other and something like 70,000 square feet ... without building in the three silos. You can purchase it for a cool $2mil.

One like it, I believe in Oklahoma, was turned into a high school.

One thing for sure is you would NEVER have to worry about the cops kicking in your door in the middle of the night to catch you growing. If a nuke wouldn't crack the place a cops boot or a shaped charge wouldn't get them in.
That cabin is amazing! I've always played with the idea of building something on top of an empty silo I have. Spiral stare case to the top of a watch/sniper tower perhaps but that thing is the shit, bit out of my price range though.:-P
 

klmmicro

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Since the entire zombie outbreak is fantasy
Aaaaah, that is assuming that it IS fantasy...

After examining some of the events of Nov 2nd this year, I would venture that it is a lot closer to the truth than fiction my friend...just sayin' :bigjoint:
 

guy incognito

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i was thinkin..what if vampires came about the same time as the zombies...vampires started losing a lot of food because of the zombiefication..then the starvin vampires started feeding on teh easy zombie prey...only to be turend into....


MOTHER FUCKING ZOMBIE VAMPS!!!!!!!!!!!!

now whatchu gonn do!??!
Come on dude, we are trying to have a serious discussion here and don't need you mucking it up with your nonsense.

Why can't zombies eat other zombies? What sort of biological process has gone on that makes it so a zombie can't survive on another zombies flesh?
 

klmmicro

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Guy, the answer is simple. A zombie is one that is infected with a virus that basically takes over the cortex. The creature itself does not feel "hunger" in our sense of the word. They attack in an attempt to spread the virus to a living host. Once bitten, the victim succumbs to the virus. Their temp rises and eventually the brain dies. With no defense, the virus can start to alter the brain matter in the cortex and after a few hours, re-animation takes place. A zombie has no need to eat to sustain itself as life functions are ended already. To eat another zombie would simply be destroying one of its own kind.
 

guy incognito

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Guy, the answer is simple. A zombie is one that is infected with a virus that basically takes over the cortex. The creature itself does not feel "hunger" in our sense of the word. They attack in an attempt to spread the virus to a living host. Once bitten, the victim succumbs to the virus. Their temp rises and eventually the brain dies. With no defense, the virus can start to alter the brain matter in the cortex and after a few hours, re-animation takes place. A zombie has no need to eat to sustain itself as life functions are ended already. To eat another zombie would simply be destroying one of its own kind.
Yea but I still believe in the conservation of energy. In order to moan "brains!" and wander around the neighborhood aimlessly will require real energy. That energy MUST come from somewhere. I always assumed the zombies hunger was a way to satisfy this energy requirement and that infecting others was merely a byproduct of this action. So good of a byproduct that it would manifest itself in an apocalyptic plague.

Does the zombie body just cannibalize its own tissue to supply energy? How long would this be sustainable? I know zombies arent "living" in the same sense that we are, but I believe the tissue must function biologically somehow, even though differently on the whole than normal living beings. It has to. To move around the muscles must contract in coordinated movements with real electrical impulses from some source, and use real energy to contract and expand. How does this happen?
 

guy incognito

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Guy, the answer is simple. A zombie is one that is infected with a virus that basically takes over the cortex. The creature itself does not feel "hunger" in our sense of the word. They attack in an attempt to spread the virus to a living host. Once bitten, the victim succumbs to the virus. Their temp rises and eventually the brain dies. With no defense, the virus can start to alter the brain matter in the cortex and after a few hours, re-animation takes place. A zombie has no need to eat to sustain itself as life functions are ended already. To eat another zombie would simply be destroying one of its own kind.
Also I have trouble believing the zombie itself will do what's in the best interest of the virus, as if it's a conscious choice. It's not like the virus can get in and say "ok, you are now a zombie, lets do exactly what I think we should do to propagate me(the virus)!"

The virus will probably work like other viruses and simply trick the organism into doing something that benefits the virus. When you get a cold the virus wants to propagate and infect other people, but YOU don't want it to do that. Evolution is clever though and has you accidentally spread the virus during other biological functions. Your intention is simply to clear your nose so you can breath though.
 

Brick Top

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That cabin is amazing! I've always played with the idea of building something on top of an empty silo I have. Spiral stare case to the top of a watch/sniper tower perhaps but that thing is the shit, bit out of my price range though.:-P

Prices for raw stripped sites like that without homes built above them are not all that expensive, relatively speaking of course, as i relation to an average or nicer family home. The problem is almost everything is toxic. Everything that is insulated is insulated with asbestos. The cleaning liquids that were used on the missiles are deadly toxic. Almost everything had PCBs in it ... including the oil and grease that was used on door hinges. The switched for the launch control equipment were mercury switches and when the units were decommissioned and dismantled it was not done with tender loving care so there was mercury spilled all over the place. Some had the blast doors sold for salvage and the LCC, the launch control center, flooded and while they can be pumped out the metal stairs, and everything else metal, has rusted or corroded and would need to be totally replaced. Some silos were left open and they are filled or partially filled with water. One unit in Texas is used for scuba diving, people pay to dive in the nearly 200 feet deep water-filled silo. One with a flooded silo in Arizona sells the water to local farmers for irrigation.

Depending under what treaty a missile site was decommissioned under can make all the difference in the world. The Titan II sites had to have the silo doors removed and buried on site and the silos destroyed, imploded. PCBs and other toxins were used in making the hardened concrete they was used. The ties were then covered with fresh clean soil but by law you cannot dig on the property at all .. not enough to plant bushes ... as of they would live in such toxic conditions. They all had wells, but most are highly contaminated and you cannot, by law, drill a new well and even if close enough to a local town/city water supply they cannot dig on the property to run water to the unit.

One Atlas-E site that was for sale was taken off the market when it was discovered that it's polluted well was spreading towards the water supply of two nearby towns and no one would purchase it because the owner would be liable for damages when the town's water supplies become unsafe.

Only a handful are safe and they have price tags that are more than just very high. We're talking several million for the more reasonably priced ones, and they are already built to how someone else wanted them to be so if that is not what someone wanted their to be, then they would have to pay to rip things out and rebuild and that would way up the final cost. That is what stopped me from purchasing one.

A better, or at least a more reasonable option, is one of the old AT&T "Long Line" hardened communications bunkers that are for sale. They are not very deep underground, like 4 to 8 feet roughly, but they were build with extremely thick hardened concrete and they were 'wrapped' in layers of steel and lead to protect the electronics inside from the EMP of a nuclear blast. They have heavy hardened blast doors so they are also very secure.

Most are rather large, like 10,000 to 15,000 square feet, or larger. The smallest one I found was in Pulaksi Indiana and it is 6,500 sq. ft. In that they were designed to maintain nationwide communications in the event of a nuclear war they are spread out all over the country, some near highly populated areas and others in the middle of nowhere. There is one in Nevada that has, or if sold by now had, a very reasonable price. It was at the end of a long road leading up a mountain and is next to a real true old west ghost town that had once been a stagecoach stop where fresh horses would be available and passengers could get something to eat. The main drawback of that site was the road is not plowed in the winter and at the altitude it is at you would be snowed in for many months.

I contacted AT&T to ask if there were many left to be sold and where they were located. I hoped to be sent a list and if one would be in a location I would be interested in I would purchase it. I was told that there are many left but they are only being put up for sale a few at a time to keep the prices up, the old supply and demand thing, and that the order in which they will be sold has already been decided and I could not pick and choose. I also asked if I could pick one if I could purchase it directly from AT&T to cut out a Realtors commission and was told no ... AT&T turns them over to local Realtors and I would have to go through them and pay the extra.

I had a hell of a dream but it died an ugly death.

There is one of the massive Titan 1 sites, like the one I mentioned in Colorado, that is not far from Sturgis South Dakota that has an amazingly low price-tag, or at least it did when I inquired about it. What I found was it was not sealed after being decommissioned and there is no less than eight feet of water in it, more in some areas like silos, and with the toxins in the water it cannot simply be pumped out. It would have to be pumped into taker trucks and then taken to a toxic waste facility. That would be extremely expensive. Then someone would have to pay for the ecological cleanup inside before any rebuilding of rusted/damaged things could be done so only then a home could be built in it. That is why the initial asking price was so low.

There is a Titan 2 site in Arkansas, one where you cannot even plant bushes or drill a well or have city/town water brought in, that is being advertised as possibly containing a treasure of salvageable materials that might not only be enough to pay for the tie but any building that would be done. I contacted the Air Force, these were all Air Force missile bases, and they told me the name and address and telephone number of the firm that did the salvage work on that particular base. The firm is in Minnesota and the son of the man who ran it at the time now runs the company. He was a teen when that particular base was decommissioned and he said he remembers it well. I asked about what might be left that could be salvaged. The site selling it claims entire control board systems were left in place. I was told that if there is so much as one single piece of wire left that is as much as three feet long he remaining in the underground unit he would be surprised. He said they took everything but the dust.

What makes the sites advertising very deceitful is the entrance to the LCC, the launch control center, was, like everything else, buried. The EPA will not allow any digging on the site, not even to uncover the entrance. So the seller is advertising something like a possible pirate treasure, that does not exist, and says you only have to dig and uncover the entrance to get to it, but under Federal Law you cannot dig to find and then uncover the entrance.

What it comes down to is if someone wants something like an old missile site they will have to have very deep pockets to be able to either pay for one that has been totally redone or to be able to turn a toxic site into something safe ... or go with one of the AT&T "Long Line" hardened communications bunkers.

I still want one but my hopes have dimmed greatly.
 

RavenMochi

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Prices for raw stripped sites like that without homes built above them are not all that expensive, relatively speaking of course, as i relation to an average or nicer family home. The problem is almost everything is toxic. Everything that is insulated is insulated with asbestos. The cleaning liquids that were used on the missiles are deadly toxic. Almost everything had PCBs in it ... including the oil and grease that was used on door hinges. The switched for the launch control equipment were mercury switches and when the units were decommissioned and dismantled it was not done with tender loving care so there was mercury spilled all over the place. Some had the blast doors sold for salvage and the LCC, the launch control center, flooded and while they can be pumped out the metal stairs, and everything else metal, has rusted or corroded and would need to be totally replaced. Some silos were left open and they are filled or partially filled with water. One unit in Texas is used for scuba diving, people pay to dive in the nearly 200 feet deep water-filled silo. One with a flooded silo in Arizona sells the water to local farmers for irrigation.

Depending under what treaty a missile site was decommissioned under can make all the difference in the world. The Titan II sites had to have the silo doors removed and buried on site and the silos destroyed, imploded. PCBs and other toxins were used in making the hardened concrete they was used. The ties were then covered with fresh clean soil but by law you cannot dig on the property at all .. not enough to plant bushes ... as of they would live in such toxic conditions. They all had wells, but most are highly contaminated and you cannot, by law, drill a new well and even if close enough to a local town/city water supply they cannot dig on the property to run water to the unit.

One Atlas-E site that was for sale was taken off the market when it was discovered that it's polluted well was spreading towards the water supply of two nearby towns and no one would purchase it because the owner would be liable for damages when the town's water supplies become unsafe.

Only a handful are safe and they have price tags that are more than just very high. We're talking several million for the more reasonably priced ones, and they are already built to how someone else wanted them to be so if that is not what someone wanted their to be, then they would have to pay to rip things out and rebuild and that would way up the final cost. That is what stopped me from purchasing one.

A better, or at least a more reasonable option, is one of the old AT&T "Long Line" hardened communications bunkers that are for sale. They are not very deep underground, like 4 to 8 feet roughly, but they were build with extremely thick hardened concrete and they were 'wrapped' in layers of steel and lead to protect the electronics inside from the EMP of a nuclear blast. They have heavy hardened blast doors so they are also very secure.

Most are rather large, like 10,000 to 15,000 square feet, or larger. The smallest one I found was in Pulaksi Indiana and it is 6,500 sq. ft. In that they were designed to maintain nationwide communications in the event of a nuclear war they are spread out all over the country, some near highly populated areas and others in the middle of nowhere. There is one in Nevada that has, or if sold by now had, a very reasonable price. It was at the end of a long road leading up a mountain and is next to a real true old west ghost town that had once been a stagecoach stop where fresh horses would be available and passengers could get something to eat. The main drawback of that site was the road is not plowed in the winter and at the altitude it is at you would be snowed in for many months.

I contacted AT&T to ask if there were many left to be sold and where they were located. I hoped to be sent a list and if one would be in a location I would be interested in I would purchase it. I was told that there are many left but they are only being put up for sale a few at a time to keep the prices up, the old supply and demand thing, and that the order in which they will be sold has already been decided and I could not pick and choose. I also asked if I could pick one if I could purchase it directly from AT&T to cut out a Realtors commission and was told no ... AT&T turns them over to local Realtors and I would have to go through them and pay the extra.

I had a hell of a dream but it died an ugly death.

There is one of the massive Titan 1 sites, like the one I mentioned in Colorado, that is not far from Sturgis South Dakota that has an amazingly low price-tag, or at least it did when I inquired about it. What I found was it was not sealed after being decommissioned and there is no less than eight feet of water in it, more in some areas like silos, and with the toxins in the water it cannot simply be pumped out. It would have to be pumped into taker trucks and then taken to a toxic waste facility. That would be extremely expensive. Then someone would have to pay for the ecological cleanup inside before any rebuilding of rusted/damaged things could be done so only then a home could be built in it. That is why the initial asking price was so low.

There is a Titan 2 site in Arkansas, one where you cannot even plant bushes or drill a well or have city/town water brought in, that is being advertised as possibly containing a treasure of salvageable materials that might not only be enough to pay for the tie but any building that would be done. I contacted the Air Force, these were all Air Force missile bases, and they told me the name and address and telephone number of the firm that did the salvage work on that particular base. The firm is in Minnesota and the son of the man who ran it at the time now runs the company. He was a teen when that particular base was decommissioned and he said he remembers it well. I asked about what might be left that could be salvaged. The site selling it claims entire control board systems were left in place. I was told that if there is so much as one single piece of wire left that is as much as three feet long he remaining in the underground unit he would be surprised. He said they took everything but the dust.

What makes the sites advertising very deceitful is the entrance to the LCC, the launch control center, was, like everything else, buried. The EPA will not allow any digging on the site, not even to uncover the entrance. So the seller is advertising something like a possible pirate treasure, that does not exist, and says you only have to dig and uncover the entrance to get to it, but under Federal Law you cannot dig to find and then uncover the entrance.

What it comes down to is if someone wants something like an old missile site they will have to have very deep pockets to be able to either pay for one that has been totally redone or to be able to turn a toxic site into something safe ... or go with one of the AT&T "Long Line" hardened communications bunkers.

I still want one but my hopes have dimmed greatly.
from what you learned, would it actually be cheaper to make a bunker from scratch?
 

Brick Top

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from what you learned, would it actually be cheaper to make a bunker from scratch?
Not one like the ones I mentioned. A small AT&T hardened bunker cost about $18 mil in 1960's dollars and the 1950's Atlas E and F sites were way more than that. They were designed to withstand a direct overhead air-burst from a "Big Ivan," a 100mt nuke .. the largest ever made. When a "Big Ivan" was tested only half the fissionable material was used and the rest of the cavity was filled with lead, making it roughly 50mt ... and every single seismic station around the world recorded the tremors.

The effects of the "Big Ivan" test were spectacular. Despite the very substantial burst height of 4,000 m (13,000 ft) the vast fireball reached down to the Earth, and swelled upward to nearly the height of the release plane. The blast pressure below the burst point was 300 PSI, six times the peak pressure experienced at Hiroshima. The flash of light was so bright that it was visible at a distance of 1,000 kilometers, despite cloudy skies. One participant in the test saw a bright flash through dark goggles and felt the effects of a thermal pulse even at a distance of 270 km. One cameraman recalled:
The clouds beneath the aircraft and in the distance were lit up by the powerful flash. The sea of light spread under the hatch and even clouds began to glow and became transparent. At that moment, our aircraft emerged from between two cloud layers and down below in the gap a huge bright orange ball was emerging. The ball was powerful and arrogant like Jupiter. Slowly and silently it crept upwards.... Having broken through the thick layer of clouds it kept growing. It seemed to suck the whole earth into it. The spectacle was fantastic, unreal, supernatural.​
Another observer, farther away, described what he witnessed as:
... a powerful white flash over the horizon and after a long period of time he heard a remote, indistinct and heavy blow, as if the earth has been killed!​
A shock wave in air was observed at Dickson settlement at 700 km; windowpanes were partially broken to distances of 900 km. All buildings in Severny (both wooden and brick), at a distance of 55 km, were completely destroyed. In districts hundreds of kilometers from ground zero, wooden houses were destroyed, and stone ones lost their roofs, windows and doors; and radio communications were interrupted for almost one hour. The atmospheric disturbance generated by the explosion orbited the earth three times. A gigantic mushroom cloud rose as high as 64 kilometers (210,000 ft).

Despite being exploded in the atmosphere, it generated substantial seismic signals. According to a bulletin of the U.S. Geological Survey it had seismic magnitude mb = 5.0 to 5.25. The blast wave was detected circling the world.[Khalturin et al 2005]


An Atlas F was made to still operate after a blast like that went off overhead. Those sorts of sites will still be as strong as they were when they were built when the pyramids have eroded to ant hill size.
 

newatit2010

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I guess if I was stupid enough to believe in zombies or vanpires I could defend myself LMAO Why not terrorist I believe in them
 

RavenMochi

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well, first off, zombies technically are real, and were used to work sugar fields, though they werent considered a danger, in fact the fear was not of zombies, but of being turned into a zombie. so apparently your quite stupid. Second, were talking about a hypothetical situation, consider it a practice in the use of imagination and problem solving. Which in any conflict requiring intelligence, well, at least we know you'll get bred out of the gene pool if any such things happens. And to terrorist, how many have you seen? I'm not talking on news reels, I mean actually seen? Don't get me wrong, I know there are people that hat us (we did our part) and would love nothing more than to see this country leveled, but I don't see it happening. on the sad side, they already won by damaging our way of life, and we let them. But thats a whole different can of worms.
So go run along now and play nice with the other children, grown folk are talking, and you shouldn't interrupt...
 

rowlman

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...wow, this thread got serious...my Rosie remark looks pretty lame next to these fortified structures and tactical approaches...some nice reads though
 

RavenMochi

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†LHAO† rosie's voice may not do much in a nuke fall out, but i figure its got a decent chance against zombies, hell it'll damn sure work against the living... :blsmoke:
 

Brick Top

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A slow acting poison would be given to a victim that would slow their metabolism down to the point where Doctors of the era would believe they were dead .. so they would be buried. If the "bokor" could dig up the victim before they suffocated they would then give the victim a psychoactive substance such as datura stramonium and that caused memory loss and disorientation. The new zombie will soon become a submissive slave to his master the, "bokor."

That's a bit different from the 'I want to eat your brains" zombies mentioned here who were supposedly infected by something that brought them back from the dead and make them want to eat the living.
 

RavenMochi

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Yes, but lets face it, the actual zombies would have been a hollywood disappointment. Of course since then science has developed new techniques to terrify us...I think cracked.com had one of the best articles covering the different possibilities...the only way i could really see a zombie outbreak occurring is if such a virus was made as a biological weapon, and then the developers losing control. Much like is rumored to be the case with HIV.....
 
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