Shutn up about kush

[stickybob]

fully agree with budzski and the scientist both correct once again

 

[Brick Top]

But honestly i think it makes perfect sense that of course an old-timer Liker their weed back then, (it has better memories, youth, less tolerance) all that plays into their choice. Their Tolerance just went up I tell you this if you Wanna fell like your YOUNG again, come to cali Pack an Entire Bowl of some Concentrate from some hashplant + indica with some type of Goo.. youll be on your ass, no need for marijuana then.

That is one of the most typically made responses to the question of potency through the years. It has become a; was Joe Louis better than Ali and was Ali better than Tyson thing, too which no one taking any position can offer absolute positive unquestionable proof.

But I do know many things that younger people do not know, or maybe that they know but prefer to reject. Like how Mexican strains were not always low potency over-dry pressed brickweed that so many today believe was always the case and instead how some were very high quality.

That is why you will find it in so many of the very best strains of today. It was not that it was all or mostly all breeders had to work with years ago. They chose it because it was among the very best and they bred it together with other things that were among the very best and eventually 'The Dutch Masters' got genetics from many of them, because they were among the very best that could be found so that is what they wanted to work with, and then they used them to make the strains, that people who say Mexican was always low grade over-dry pressed brickweed, absolutely go bonkers over today.

It is not like the Mexican used in them was a weak link that better breeding that only came later made up for. Instead they were important building blocks, part of what was needed to make the best possible crosses and their influence continues today.

I may be in a small percentage of the population but I can say, at least in my case, the built up tolerance level argument, and even the medical studies that show a brain will not process cannibinoids the same as people age position, are not totally accurate, at least not as in each individual person. Maybe in half, maybe in most, but not in all.

When I grow a high quality sativa, meaning a cross that is made of two high quality sativas or some old IBL sativa, but whichever way, all sativa, I get just as high as I used to and I do not have to smoke any more of it to do it. I have smoked other types of crosses with younger people who got very high and had enough and I will smoke more, maybe again as much as when they dropped out to get as high. I blame that on the crosses, not my brain suddenly reacting different then when I smoke a high quality 'simple' sativa. (Simple as in not a triple-cross that was then used to make a cross that came from a cross etc.)

What makes or breaks a high is not so much the THC level, though it of course plays a very large part in it, but what puts the icing on the cake is that all of the various cannabinoids that combine to make a high what it is are in the best possible mixture/combination, in perfect percentages in relation to each other.

Some have positive affects on THC and enhance it and others have a negative effect on THC and decrease it's ability to make someone high or to stay high for as long. I tend to think that more perfect balance of cannabinoids was found in some strains that evolved over a great number of years to get to that point and that evolution is a bit more skilled and experienced at breeding than 'The Dutch Masters.'

I am not claiming that every or even most old strains belong in the hall of fame. But there were some that were unbelievable in how amazing and spectacular they were. Those are the ones I refer to when I talk about 'the olden days.'

Here is a short history of cannabis since 1968.

Later 60s to early 70's - Depending where you lived and what you could afford, or if you were one of the rare home growers that had a clue, you either smoked excellent herb, or average herb that was still pretty darn good, but I never ran across any that was terrible.

Mid 70's to early 80's. A few really top strains were created, but pretty much remained regionally accessible. Later when they got to 'The Dutch Master's only then did they become famous and many were the building blocks of the best strains of today. At the same time Mexican farmers, which what the Mexican commercial growers actually were, cannabis was just their crop, learned of indicas and their much heavier production and shorter flowering periods. Crosses were made that were disasters and enter the mostly low to very low quality Mexican strains that many people believe were always the case for Mexican strains, the over-dry, pressed brickweed era began. At the same time a few more pure strains or simple crosses from different parts of the world began to spread, so again depending on where you lived and what you could afford and if you knew how to grow, and had a storehouse of good genetics, you could smoke some very high quality bud, or you likely smoked Roadside Red, Ditchweed, pure trash. The average had become very low grade.

Mid 80's to early 90's - More and more people attempted breeding, along of course with 'The Dutch Master,' and while there were some crosses made that were abominations, more and more better crosses emerged and then again depending on where someone lived and what they could afford, or if they knew how to grow, you could smoke some very high quality herb, much of which grown different from the past, not better, just different, but the average quality of herb climbed back up again so more people were back to better than average quality, but with an indica flare added. Unless you were stuck in a terrible area for pot, or were dirt poor, you could smoke some fairly decent herb, herb that when compared to the previous level of average grade was in improvement.

From then on pretty much everyone knows the story. There were few true increases in potency in the highest grade strains but again the average level of potency did rise and we were offered more variety, more options, many of which were in no way true improvements, certainly not in potency, but more gimmick things. Pretty colors, erotic aromas while growing and or smoked, various flavors, fruity or citrus or semi- chocolate-like, etc. and feminized beans, which are at best slightly unstable and increased the number of hermis people get, and dwarf strains for stealth or ease of growing in smaller places and then of course auto-flowering strains.

Very few that took that route really turned the toking world on its head, potency-wise. Their only true appeal was if something in their uniqueness was something that someone saw as being beneficial too them.

Basically there was a period with a whole bunch of highly impressive pot with a small amount of average pot, followed by a period with a pretty fair amount of highly impressive pot, but with a while bunch of crap that was unfortunately what many people mainly had access to. Then followed a period where quality began to return, but with a different flare to it, and higher quality average strains more people had access to. Then there were a couple good improvements mixed in with tons of the same old stuff, of fairly decent or better quality, but basically the same thing under a zillion different names but again the average quality improved. Then things just pretty much stopped actually getting better, as in more potent, and the era of the gimmicks was born.

If someone looks at a list of the highest potency strains they will see that many on the list are getting a bit long in the tooth. There have been no major increases in a rather long time now, and some of those that claim the highest potency among the highest can be traced back decades.


Potency-wise there was a peak followed by a long wide valley and then another peak. No one can factually prove which peak is higher. The only thing that can be proven is that this peak is different because of vastly more variety and a fairly high level of quality among what would now be the average strains plus gimmick strains too boot.

 

[theexpress]

That is one of the most typically made responses to the question of potency through the years. It has become a; was Joe Louis better than Ali and was Ali better than Tyson thing, too which no one taking any position can offer absolute positive unquestionable proof.

But I do know many things that younger people do not know, or maybe that they know but prefer to reject. Like how Mexican strains were not always low potency over-dry pressed brickweed that so many today believe was always the case and instead how some were very high quality.

That is why you will find it in so many of the very best strains of today. It was not that it was all or mostly all breeders had to work with years ago. They chose it because it was among the very best and they bred it together with other things that were among the very best and eventually 'The Dutch Masters' got genetics from many of them, because they were among the very best that could be found so that is what they wanted to work with, and then they used them to make the strains, that people who say Mexican was always low grade over-dry pressed brickweed, absolutely go bonkers over today.

It is not like the Mexican used in them was a weak link that better breeding that only came later made up for. Instead they were important building blocks, part of what was needed to make the best possible crosses and their influence continues today.

I may be in a small percentage of the population but I can say, at least in my case, the built up tolerance level argument, and even the medical studies that show a brain will not process cannibinoids the same as people age position, are not totally accurate, at least not as in each individual person. Maybe in half, maybe in most, but not in all.

When I grow a high quality sativa, meaning a cross that is made of two high quality sativas or some old IBL sativa, but whichever way, all sativa, I get just as high as I used to and I do not have to smoke any more of it to do it. I have smoked other types of crosses with younger people who got very high and had enough and I will smoke more, maybe again as much as when they dropped out to get as high. I blame that on the crosses, not my brain suddenly reacting different then when I smoke a high quality 'simple' sativa. (Simple as in not a triple-cross that was then used to make a cross that came from a cross etc.)

What makes or breaks a high is not so much the THC level, though it of course plays a very large part in it, but what puts the icing on the cake is that all of the various cannabinoids that combine to make a high what it is are in the best possible mixture/combination, in perfect percentages in relation to each other.

Some have positive affects on THC and enhance it and others have a negative effect on THC and decrease it's ability to make someone high or to stay high for as long. I tend to think that more perfect balance of cannabinoids was found in some strains that evolved over a great number of years to get to that point and that evolution is a bit more skilled and experienced at breeding than 'The Dutch Masters.'

I am not claiming that every or even most old strains belong in the hall of fame. But there were some that were unbelievable in how amazing and spectacular they were. Those are the ones I refer to when I talk about 'the olden days.'

Here is a short history of cannabis since 1968.

Later 60s to early 70's - Depending where you lived and what you could afford, or if you were one of the rare home growers that had a clue, you either smoked excellent herb, or average herb that was still pretty darn good, but I never ran across any that was terrible.

Mid 70's to early 80's. A few really top strains were created, but pretty much remained regionally accessible. Later when they got to 'The Dutch Master's only then did they become famous and many were the building blocks of the best strains of today. At the same time Mexican farmers, which what the Mexican commercial growers actually were, cannabis was just their crop, learned of indicas and their much heavier production and shorter flowering periods. Crosses were made that were disasters and enter the mostly low to very low quality Mexican strains that many people believe were always the case for Mexican strains, the over-dry, pressed brickweed era began. At the same time a few more pure strains or simple crosses from different parts of the world began to spread, so again depending on where you lived and what you could afford and if you knew how to grow, and had a storehouse of good genetics, you could smoke some very high quality bud, or you likely smoked Roadside Red, Ditchweed, pure trash. The average had become very low grade.

Mid 80's to early 90's - More and more people attempted breeding, along of course with 'The Dutch Master,' and while there were some crosses made that were abominations, more and more better crosses emerged and then again depending on where someone lived and what they could afford, or if they knew how to grow, you could smoke some very high quality herb, much of which grown different from the past, not better, just different, but the average quality of herb climbed back up again so more people were back to better than average quality, but with an indica flare added. Unless you were stuck in a terrible area for pot, or were dirt poor, you could smoke some fairly decent herb, herb that when compared to the previous level of average grade was in improvement.

From then on pretty much everyone knows the story. There were few true increases in potency in the highest grade strains but again the average level of potency did rise and we were offered more variety, more options, many of which were in no way true improvements, certainly not in potency, but more gimmick things. Pretty colors, erotic aromas while growing and or smoked, various flavors, fruity or citrus or semi- chocolate-like, etc. and feminized beans, which are at best slightly unstable and increased the number of hermis people get, and dwarf strains for stealth or ease of growing in smaller places and then of course auto-flowering strains.

Very few that took that route really turned the toking world on its head, potency-wise. Their only true appeal was if something in their uniqueness was something that someone saw as being beneficial too them.

Basically there was a period with a whole bunch of highly impressive pot with a small amount of average pot, followed by a period with a pretty fair amount of highly impressive pot, but with a while bunch of crap that was unfortunately what many people mainly had access to. Then followed a period where quality began to return, but with a different flare to it, and higher quality average strains more people had access to. Then there were a couple good improvements mixed in with tons of the same old stuff, of fairly decent or better quality, but basically the same thing under a zillion different names but again the average quality improved. Then things just pretty much stopped actually getting better, as in more potent, and the era of the gimmicks was born.

If someone looks at a list of the highest potency strains they will see that many on the list are getting a bit long in the tooth. There have been no major increases in a rather long time now, and some of those that claim the highest potency among the highest can be traced back decades.


Potency-wise there was a peak followed by a long wide valley and then another peak. No one can factually prove which peak is higher. The only thing that can be proven is that this peak is different because of vastly more variety and a fairly high level of quality among what would now be the average strains plus gimmick strains too boot.

listen old man.. come to chicago and i will smoke ur old ass under the table!!!!!!!!! we will be smoking on my heavy heavy indica pheno of sourkush... and ur old ass will be alseep around the half 1/8 part... and maybe im giving you nmore credit.. you prolly couldnt even finish a full gram...........

 

[homebrewer]

listen old man.. come to chicago and i will smoke ur old ass under the table!!!!!!!!! we will be smoking on my heavy heavy indica pheno of sourkush... and ur old ass will be alseep around the half 1/8 part... and maybe im giving you nmore credit.. you prolly couldnt even finish a full gram...........

Lets see some pics of that. I grow a heavy indica strain as well and find it funny that the patients who prefer it tend to be young and just want to get 'fudged up'. I prefer a good sativa, who the heck wants an introverted high that makes you sleepy?

 

[skunky33]

Okay, The reason people keep talking about Kush is because rappers and celebrities smoke it. I'm not saying it isn't really good, but the people who fascinated with the cult of personality surrounding, Kush are usually ignorant douche bags. "Yeah, Dawg OG Kush yo, dat's da boooomb shyt yo"- this screams ignorant douche bag. If Snoop Dogg smokes Kush than all of a sudden stupid rumors start to fly out of control by fools making up stuff. Someone said Kush is Indica which isn't 100% true, but true enough. Now in this ignorant world we live in, all Indica is "da bomb shyt yo sells fo 600 an OZ shawty" It's so ingrained in hip-hop culture they think "OG" stands for original gangsta, old gangsta, etc... I heard one dumb ass say that "Kush is the bomb but nothing beats Indica, that's the real shit" WTF?

Just look at the 84,000! youtube results for Kush
17,000 for kush weed

compared to:

540 results for afghan weed
1000 for Northern Lights weed

Check out these videos lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLrFwHyHivA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyCJr4pThGQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5lLLa7W25U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuGO20NOzuU This is their horrible music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zbg6lwq5yS4 I don't think anything has totally embraced and visually defined the word "Douche bag" better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ff38sz7Xgc - these kids just stare into the camera for 8 min showing you how cool they look smoking a kushy blunt

 

[ValleGrown]

Omfg that is the most Faggot representation of music i have ever heard and I can second /solidify your claim .... That shit screams dueche bag. This whole thread seems like pissing contest of information flow. I couldnt even read the whole thread cuz everyone seems to want top each other or measure their dicks. And whoever the whole kush is their race is a fucking idiot. Seriously that's like saying iPhones arentheirnown race or apple
Inc. Dude do us a favor and think b4 you post.... I will never have that two seconds back in my life for reading that BULLSHIT. FUCK man lol

 

[guy incognito]

Weed today is just as garbage as weed from the 70's. The best weed imo was from ancient egypt. It would make you walk like an egyptian.

 

[ValleGrown]

Ancients... Egyptians .... None of this is real. Lol we are aliens folks. Let's face it. The tele is now saying that hitler and the lead SS members could have been aliens and that some time traveled to the future to escape persecution

 

[JayRolla]

LOL this thread has gotten kind of funny. Weed has gone from 10-15% potency's too over 20+% these days. Its been proven its now stronger than it was with all the cross breeds. Smoking someone under the table is a joke, its weed, you can pretty much keep smoking and never stop.

 

[ValleGrown]

Jk guys that was a sacarastic post just so you are INFORMED. lol

 

[guy incognito]

LOL this thread has gotten kind of funny. Weed has gone from 10-15% potency's too over 20+% these days. Its been proven its now stronger than it was with all the cross breeds. Smoking someone under the table is a joke, its weed, you can pretty much keep smoking and never stop.

I dunno about that. I've smoked until I was no longer able to lift a joint up and smoke more. That only happens when I have good weed and a low tolerance though. I would like to find some bomb ass weed that will do that even with my ridiculous tolerance right now. Now I just get a sore throat or bored of smoking. Or I don't feel like ripping through $100 of weed in a session.

 

[ValleGrown]

As described earlier in the text incognito everyone has their own tolerance
And is DIFFERENT period. happy holidays

 

[brick20]

usually people call everything kush just to make a sell... but truely u will never know what it is...

 

[guy incognito]

As described earlier in the text incognito everyone has their own tolerance
And is DIFFERENT period. happy holidays

Yes but i'm pretty sure no one has an infinite tolerance. You will succumb to the ganja if you keep smoking it.

 

[theexpress]

Lets see some pics of that. I grow a heavy indica strain as well and find it funny that the patients who prefer it tend to be young and just want to get 'fudged up'. I prefer a good sativa, who the heck wants an introverted high that makes you sleepy?

 

[ValleGrown]

I never said you wont succumb to the wrath of Mary but I did say people are different. My girl has been smoking for a couple years now and she take rips Bro like whole lung fills continually coughing out smoke style yo but don't get me wrong she takes one two maybe MAYBE Three rips and she is good. I on the other hand can do quite a few bong loads myself. So you can get to D without A B and C hopefully

 

[sniffer]

you guys are wrong ,,. the old days rocked
everything was better in the 70,s and early 80,s the girls the drugs the music ,, everything
i think all the smoke nowadays is weak and watered down , to many cross's and mixing
i feel sorry for all the young people in todays world

 

[ValleGrown]

Cuz you know everything about marijuana sir. Dude buZz off. Don't come here and tell me I'm wrong. Who the fuck are you to tell me I'm wrong. Watch bro I can do I to...." you guys are wrong...... I feel bad for all you old people you are all gonna die here soon and we will be smoking the best herb around man." Fuck off with you high and mighty I'm an ol' timer bullshit bro. Why would a science not continue advancing with civilization. quality and yield will also be maximized through new techniques That's why we have "trees" not plants man. So there you go. Thank you for being a Faggot

 

[Kerovan]

Cuz you know everything about marijuana sir. Dude buZz off. Don't come here and tell me I'm wrong. Who the fuck are you to tell me I'm wrong. Watch bro I can do I to...." you guys are wrong...... I feel bad for all you old people you are all gonna die here soon and we will be smoking the best herb around man." Fuck off with you high and mighty I'm an ol' timer bullshit bro. Why would a science not continue advancing with civilization. quality and yield will also be maximized through new techniques That's why we have "trees" not plants man. So there you go. Thank you for being a Faggot

who the fuck are you to come here and say we are wrong? We were around, we smoked the weed, we touched it. We experienced it. You on the other hand have no knowledge of what it was like then. You are just basing your "opinion" on "assumptions" whereas we are basing our statements on first hand knowledge. Grow up..

 

[ValleGrown]

Whoa I never said anything about you being wrong. Open your eyes bro. If you couldnt taste that sarcasm*read:couldnt tell I was being sarcastic" then go smoke some of your pure sativa. And wake the fuck up man. He clearly stated that we are wrong for smoking "watered down" buds. Meaning mixed to many times and its washed out. Well it's more or less certain values within that bud that help you medicinally. One day you have a very terrible back pain you smoke some 60%40% indica Dom you will get that narcotic soma feeling. But say you have anxiety as well. Well that bud teamed up to make a hybrid that can medicate that Patient specifically to their needs. It's no all about pure this pure that. It's to medicate patients man. Old people like yourself who have back problems. And if a pure sat or pure ind is what suits you. Then by god grow away motherfucker but don't come here and tell me I'm wrong and that I need to grow up. How about take a step down and try and understand what I say and what I mean. Dot just read the text man. Fuck.