Blue Dream Bubblicious 1st Indoor Grow

GreenBuddha619

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First off, flowering plants looking real good man! Lots of people harvest at this time which is too early.

My first instinct would be underfeeding of nitrogen. I cant quiet say that for sure without knowing what you are feeding them and how often. If you arent phing the water you could have plenty of food in there but unavailable to the plant itself (restricted by improper ph). This is know as nutrient lockout. Cant say this for sure without knowing ph going in either. Coco is known to build up salts which can also throw the ph off which in return will cause lockouts. On the nitrogen topic, ive noticed if it is solely because of nitrogen the plant will appear healthy just real light green. The structure and overall look of the plant is telling me it could be something else. Let me know how much you are feeding vs the recommended feeding of the nutrient itself (and the amounts of npk and other micro nutrients)

Do not make a decision without covering all angles as you may compound the problem and only make it worse. Ive attached a ph chart showing you what happens at various phs'.

You are running coco specific nutrients right? Let me guess the big guys arent in coco? Coco needs to be treated a certain way to get good results, it should not be treated like soil- it is a soiless medium and should be treated that way. I suggest you read through this page i found.
http://integralhydro.com/cocoscience.html

This is interesting-

Signs of toxicity (high levels of NaCl in coir substrate)

  • Slow/stunted growth
  • Unhealthy plants
  • Yellowing
  • Burning
  • Rusting on edges of leaves
  • Rust spots on leaves

Thanks Aev for the info sorta missed it until today. Thanks bro can't wait but patients is a virtue. Can't wait for my loupe to check the trichs on the Bubblicious hopefull here today. Said it was shipped on the 23rd from same city in which I live so I dunno?? I was thinking tonight will be the last time I feed the Bubblicious and start a 7-10 day flush on them. Today is day 51 so if I start flushing Monday which would be day 53 then 10 days would put me right at 9 weeks exactly. The Blue Dream & Bubblicious are all in coco. I use H & G Aqua Flakes A & B (Originally had them in a DWC but was having issues with res temps and possibly some root rot) I'm heading to my hydro store today but think H & G addatives aren't hydro/coco/soil specific but I will check on that here later. I looked at the Aqua Flakes vs. Coco and the ratios of N-P-K are all lower on the Aqua Flakes than the Coco formula. I have never checked the Ph on the runoff.

Back to the babies...I neglected them here over the past week or so. I was just feeding them RO water with Roots Excel full stength 1.1 mls per gal and Cal-Mag 1/2 strength which I think I put 2.5 mls per gal. I Ph'd the water and it was 5.75ish. I just mixed up nutes when I posted the previous pics and used the Aqua Flakes A & B 6.5 mls per gal which was full strength week one on their feeding chart. Roots Excel 1.1 mls per gal, Cal-Mag 5mls per gal and I added some stuff called Trinity which is a micro nute at 5 mls per gal (1/2 strength) Also some Drip Clean at 0.4 mls per gal. Ph'd the water to 5.8 then feed them. I am going to give them Ph'd RO/Drip Clean mix I have for the Bubblicious and the Blue Dream tonight. I usually water them about 1 16oz cup every 3 days or so. The coco seems to be staying moist and I have checked and they all have had more root growth. There is also I would say 3-4oz of runoff each time I feed/water them. Going to read that page once I get back from the hydro store need to talk to them about my scrubber cuz it isn't doing shit and my roommate is ready to come pull my plants if I don't fix it quick!!!
 

aeviaanah

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Thanks Aev for the info sorta missed it until today. The Blue Dream & the Bubblicious are all in coco. I use H & G Aqua Flakes A & B (Originally had them in a DWC but was having issues with res temps and possibly some root rot) I'm heading to my hydro store today but think H & G addatives aren't hydro/coco/soil specific but I will check on that here later. I looked at the Aqua Flakes vs. Coco and the ratios of N-P-K are all lower on the Aqua Flakes than the Coco formula. Back to the babies...I neglected them here over the past week or so. I was just feeding them RO water with Roots Excel full stength 1.1 mls per gal and Cal-Mag 1/2 strength which I think I put 2.5 mls per gal. I Ph'd the water and it was 5.75ish. I just mixed up nutes when I posted the previous pics and used the Aqua Flakes A&B 6.5 mls per gal which was full strength week one their feeding chart. Roots Excel 1.1 mls per gal, Cal-Mag 5mls per gal and I added some stuff called Trinity which is a micro nute at 5 mls per gal (1/2 strength) Also some Drip Clean at 0.4 mls per gal. Ph'd the water to 5.8 then feed them. I am going to give them Ph'd RO/Drip Clean mix I have for the Bubblicious and theBlue Dream tonight. I usually water them about 1 16oz cup every 3 days or so. The coco seems to be staying moist and I have checked and they all have had more root growth. There is also I would say 3-4oz of runoff each time I feed/water them. Going to read that page once I get back from the hydro store need to talk to them about my scrubber cuz it isn't doing shit and my roommate is ready to come pull my plants if I don't fix it quick!!!
sorry man i must be getting you mixed up with another user on riu. i thought you were using miracle grow and not phing. sounds like your nutrients are fine for coco (read a description) and you are letting 3-4 oz runoff which is around 15-20 percent runoff. you may want to up that a little but it shouldnt be causing your problems as plants are fairly young yet, and you are using the drip clean. i use trinity once in a while as well...its a pretty weak solution, but i had a few samples id figure id use- im sure its a good source of macro nutrients. everything seems to be fine other than your ph meter can be off. do you have a testing solution?

how long have the clones been rooted, and when was transplant? you may be over feeding. do you have a ppm/tds reader? if you do this will be a good indication, this number is what i base my nutrient levels off of. never feeding schedules or the back of the bottle.

post some pictures we may be able to figure it out from that. I have a drip clean solution that is designed for cleaning hy
 

GreenBuddha619

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sorry man i must be getting you mixed up with another user on riu. i thought you were using miracle grow and not phing. sounds like your nutrients are fine for coco (read a description) and you are letting 3-4 oz runoff which is around 15-20 percent runoff. you may want to up that a little but it shouldnt be causing your problems as plants are fairly young yet, and you are using the drip clean. i use trinity once in a while as well...its a pretty weak solution, but i had a few samples id figure id use- im sure its a good source of macro nutrients. everything seems to be fine other than your ph meter can be off. do you have a testing solution?

how long have the clones been rooted, and when was transplant? you may be over feeding. do you have a ppm/tds reader? if you do this will be a good indication, this number is what i base my nutrient levels off of. never feeding schedules or the back of the bottle.

post some pictures we may be able to figure it out from that. I have a drip clean solution that is designed for cleaning hy
Clones were rooted in the 1" cubes when I got them. I planted them a little shallow so when I would water before the coco on top would float and resettle some where else in the pot is how I got a glance that they had put out some more roots. I have since added more coco to the top of the pot so that isn't happening any more. Yes I have tester solution and it seems to be working fine. I have an PPM tester (the one I have reads up to 999 then I have multiply the # by 10x and divide by 1/2) the clones it was around 500-600 PPM after I added the PH. I got my new tent here today so I will be throwing them under a 400w MH tonight or tomorrow so hopefully I will see some new growth since I have added nutes. Funny because out of the 3 the Hero OG looked the healthiest when I got them and the Grape Ape the worst and now they have reversed.

Same pics on previous page

Hero OG



Tahoe OG


Grape Ape
 

aeviaanah

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500-600 ppm is pretty high...how often are you feeding at this concentration? for plants this size i wouldnt go above 400. give regular water for a little. if everything seems to be gettin worse every day, you may try a few different methods for a learning experience. how they looking today?
 

GreenBuddha619

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500-600 ppm is pretty high...how often are you feeding at this concentration? for plants this size i wouldnt go above 400. give regular water for a little. if everything seems to be gettin worse every day, you may try a few different methods for a learning experience. how they looking today?

I think the ppm's go up about 100-200 just by adding the Ph solution so really they are at 300-500. I just watered them with this solution 2 days ago. I honestly think it was becuase all I gave them before was just RO water with Roots Excel and some 1/2 strength Cal-Mag. So I think they are lacking everything at the moment. I'm hoping they will recover here over the next few days along with putting them under the 400w should help.

Just snapped few pics they seem to be looking better greened up some, less leaf curling and looks like some new growth on the Grape Ape. Hero OG still the looks the worst of them. Got to run to the hydro store.

Hero OG


Tahoe OG


Grape Ape




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aeviaanah

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I think the ppm's go up about 100-200 just by adding the Ph solution so really they are at 300-500. I just watered them with this solution 2 days ago. I honestly think it was becuase all I gave them before was just RO water with Roots Excel and some 1/2 strength Cal-Mag. So I think they are lacking everything at the moment. I'm hoping they will recover here over the next few days along with putting them under the 400w should help.

Just snapped few pics they seem to be looking better greened up some, less leaf curling and looks like some new growth on the Grape Ape. Hero OG still the looks the worst of them. Got to run to the hydro store.

Hero OG


Tahoe OG


Grape Ape




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So how long has it been since giving them a regular dose of food? A week shouldnt be enough to do this much damage.
 

GreenBuddha619

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I got the clones on the 11th. So I have had them for 16 days now. I didn't water or transplant them until the 12th I think. So from the 12th-24th all they have had is RO water with Roots Excel & Cal-Mag. So it was 14 days that they didn't get any nutes other than Roots Excel & Cal Mag.

On the 25th I gave them this.

House & Garden Parts A & B 6.5 mls each
Drip Clean 0.4 mls
Roots Excel 1.1 mls
Cal Mag 2.5 mls
Trinity 5 mls
Ph'd to 5.8

1 16oz cup each. 2-3oz runoff on each plant.
 

GreenBuddha619

Active Member
Flowering Day 51 Update

Got my new 4x4 tent in the mail today. Picked up a 1000w light the other day. Just order a 530 cfm fan today for $80. So its all coming along. I have been having a problem with my carbon scrubber so I took a trip to the hydro store to talk to them but have to wait until Monday so they can call the distributer to see what they can do. Was going to try and get the 4x4 set up tonight and get the clones under the 400w'r. Until I get this carbon filter thing figured out I don't feel like setting everything up and having move the plants around etc. so I'm going to probably just finish flowering them in 4x2 tent under the 400w.

Going to feed the Bubblicious for the last time tonight then I will start to flush for around 10 days. I got my 21mm 30x loupe in the mail today was checking out the trichs tonight with it. I have to say it sorta hard to see them clearly with this thing. I guess I thought it would be more like a microscope but it seems like all the trichs are milky they definitely didn't look clear. I really didn't see any that looked amber or darker in color.


Sorry rambling on tonight here are few pics I took putting the loupe in from of my camera.


Bubblicious








Blue Dream






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aeviaanah

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I got the clones on the 11th. So I have had them for 16 days now. I didn't water or transplant them until the 12th I think. So from the 12th-24th all they have had is RO water with Roots Excel & Cal-Mag. So it was 14 days that they didn't get any nutes other than Roots Excel & Cal Mag.

On the 25th I gave them this.

House & Garden Parts A & B 6.5 mls each
Drip Clean 0.4 mls
Roots Excel 1.1 mls
Cal Mag 2.5 mls
Trinity 5 mls
Ph'd to 5.8

1 16oz cup each. 2-3oz runoff on each plant.
Yea two weeks without nutrients in coco may cause these deficiency. Plus who knows how much nutrients they got before then too right?
 

aeviaanah

Well-Known Member
Flowering Day 51 Update

Got my new 4x4 tent in the mail today. Picked up a 1000w light the other day. Just order a 530 cfm fan today for $80. So its all coming along. I have been having a problem with my carbon scrubber so I took a trip to the hydro store to talk to them but have to wait until Monday so they can call the distributer to see what they can do. Was going to try and get the 4x4 set up tonight and get the clones under the 400w'r. Until I get this carbon filter thing figured out I don't feel like setting everything up and having move the plants around etc. so I'm going to probably just finish flowering them in 4x2 tent under the 400w.

Going to feed the Bubblicious for the last time tonight then I will start to flush for around 10 days. I got my 21mm 30x loupe in the mail today was checking out the trichs tonight with it. I have to say it sorta hard to see them clearly with this thing. I guess I thought it would be more like a microscope but it seems like all the trichs are milky they definitely didn't look clear. I really didn't see any that looked amber or darker in color.


Sorry rambling on tonight here are few pics I took putting the loupe in from of my camera.


Bubblicious








Blue Dream






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Man that shits lookin dank bro! Some of the best around here. Not everyone can grow bomb like this. Lookin real good...flushing now sounds good for the bubblicious. Great job and plus rep if i can.
 

GreenBuddha619

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[QUOTE="SICC";4961978]Those color's are amazing :weed:[/QUOTE]

Thanks Sicc can't wait to get my 1000w & 4x4 tent up and running. Order a new 6" vortex 530 cfm fan and talked to the guys at the hydro store about my scrubber. Have to go in Monday so the can call the distributer. I order a hand held microscope that has 100x magnification with a led light on the end so should be able to inspect the trichs a little better.

BTW the clones are recovering well from my neglect. Much greener and some new growth.
 

"SICC"

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Good to kno the clones are doin better, that scope sounds legit. Where did you order it from?
 

GreenBuddha619

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[QUOTE="SICC";4969184]Good to kno the clones are doin better, that scope sounds legit. Where did you order it from?[/QUOTE]

Day 19 Update Clones


They are looking way better just needed some nutes and tender loving care. The yellowing on the end of the leaves isn't nute burn pretty sure its just where they didn't recover from my neglect.


Here are some pics


Hero OG






Tahoe OG






Grape Ape










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GreenBuddha619

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Day 53 Flowering Update

I went to my local hydro store Saturday and bitched about my filter being a piece of shit. Well they said come back Monday and ended up with store credit and proceded to spend an extra $100 on a bigger filter that hopefully will work well in my 4x4 tent. Got a Phresh filter rated for 400 cfm. I have my 155 cfm 4" fan hooked up to it until I get my 6". So far it has taken care of all the smell but I have all the windows and sliding glass doors open to air out the pad...Cold as a witches titty! Hopefully here in the next few days I will get the 4x4 up and get the 1000w in there to finish off the flowering.





My 3 plants just stunk up my pad today also the humidity was 70% tonight around 8:30 when lights came on!!! I got the new scrubber hooked up which immediately dropped the humidity to around 30% along with taking care of all the smell.


On Dec. 2nd will be 8 weeks. The Blue Dream is still fattening up and still seeing lots of new growth from the shooting powder. I would say that the orange/white hair ratio is around 50/50 now. I think I'm going to keep flushing the Bubblicious until the 9th or so depending on what the trichs look like when I get my microscope. I would say that almost all the hairs have turned orange. Still few little spots where some new growth had produced a couple white hairs. Should I not water for few days before and should I let it sit for 48 hours with no light before I cut the tops off? I want to leave it under the lights after I cut the top buds off while the Blue Dream finishes so the lower buds can finish. I took the Bubblicious out of the tent and gave it a good watering/flush around gallon and a half. Probably had about 1/2 gallon run-off so around 33%. Today will be that last day I use the Drip Clean the rest will be straight RO water. Snapped few pics while it was sitting in the shower draining.










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GreenBuddha619

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Hell yea buddha plants are looking great and clones dam very tight spacing great work !!
Thanks for stoppin by Hulk appreciate it. Not doin anything special with the clones lol actually was neglecting them pretty bad here about a week ago. Just got em under few CFL's. Just waiting to set up my 4x4 so I can get em under the 400w MH.
 
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