Senate Bill S510, Food Control

[klmmicro]

Yep, that about sums it up UncleBuck. Actually, it is not so much a matter of starving to death as it is yet another limit to choice.

 

[UncleBuck]

Yep, that about sums it up UncleBuck. Actually, it is not so much a matter of starving to death as it is yet another limit to choice.

you say that starving to death en masse sums it up, then you contradict yourself in the very next sentence.

so what is it? are we going to starve to death en masse?

or will my 'choice' be limited? and if so, how? try to be specific. i know it is tough to be specific with the sky falling and all...

 

[klmmicro]

you say that starving to death en masse sums it up, then you contradict yourself in the very next sentence.

so what is it? are we going to starve to death en masse?

or will my 'choice' be limited? and if so, how? try to be specific. i know it is tough to be specific with the sky falling and all...

Hmmm, it was a tongue in cheek comment. In other words, I was not being literal with the comment about "starving to death". I do not believe that famine will result from this bill.

I purchase most of my veggies from small farmers. Better product to me and I would rather my money stay in my region. They are going to now have to either absorb the cost of added tracking and such, or raise their prices. Either way is a loss for them...less people will purchase the produce at the inflated price. Their profits disappear and they go out of business. What then am I left with? Mass produce that is lower quality, less flavorful and lacking a lot of nutritional value.

Specific enough?

 

[Viagro]

Hmmm, it was a tongue in cheek comment. In other words, I was not being literal with the comment about "starving to death". I do not believe that famine will result from this bill.

I purchase most of my veggies from small farmers. Better product to me and I would rather my money stay in my region. They are going to now have to either absorb the cost of added tracking and such, or raise their prices. Either way is a loss for them...less people will purchase the produce at the inflated price. Their profits disappear and they go out of business. What then am I left with? Mass produce that is lower quality, less flavorful and lacking a lot of nutritional value.

Specific enough?

Has any of you, who have probably never missed a meal, noticed the increase in soup kitchens and demands on food banks and doubling of food stamp applicants recently?

Nobody said famine, and it was just a mention of hunger, but the point is to get away from dependence on commercial food sources, the mega corporations that have you over a barrel and are feeding you poison. Some of it is not even actual food, for crying out loud. And now, they're trying to restrict home gardening and small organic farming. You see that concern as some Chicken Little overreaction? Just wait.

 

[Balzac89]

this bill would make it illegal to give away the food you grew, get it yet?

I read alot of the text and your making shit up?

 

[Balzac89]

Yep, you're an idiot.

yeah man, cause what I said was dumb. I think someone just cannot construct an intelligent response.

 

[UncleBuck]

Their profits disappear and they go out of business. What then am I left with? Mass produce that is lower quality, less flavorful and lacking a lot of nutritional value.

what you just said is a paraphrase of the other chicken little parading around here, touting this bill as conspiracy, saying, and i quote..."this is the first step in the complete corporate takeover of the food supply". you are insinuating that this bill spells the complete and utter extinction of the small farmer...right

more sky is falling crap.

i'll see you at the farmer's market this spring. i finally have some land, perhaps you'd like to try some of the produce i will be slinging.

you will still have your choice. the sky ain't falling.

 

[klmmicro]

the extinction of the small farmer...right

more sky is falling crap.

ain't gonna happen.

Okay, sure. That puts my mind at ease.

 

[UncleBuck]

And now, they're trying to restrict home gardening

kindly show me where there will be any effect on the massive garden i will be planting come spring.

i will be waiting for you to make reference to the specific part of the bill that restricts my personal garden.

take your time, i plan to start planning come solstice.

 

[UncleBuck]

Okay, sure. That puts my mind at ease.

i guess we'll just have to wait and see.

keep worrying yourself to death, making mountains out of molehills, predicting the complete and utter demise of the small farmer and farmer's markets...

i'll continue on with life here in the rational world.

 

[NoDrama]

The bill is soooooo Broad, NOTHING is specific, show me where it SPECIFICALLY says that small gardens will NOT be affected.

 

[Balzac89]

Show me where it says they will lol, I;m sure you didn't read it.

 

[Viagro]

i guess we'll just have to wait and see.

keep worrying yourself to death, making mountains out of molehills, predicting the complete and utter demise of the small farmer and farmer's markets...

i'll continue on with life here in the rational world.

Some people prefer to live with their head in the sand, looking backwards. Some don't.

 

[NoDrama]

Ok I will post just ONE part of the bill to give an example of what kind of crap is going on here.

USE OF OR EXPOSURE TO FOOD OF CONCERN- If the Secretary believes that there is a reasonable probability that the use of or exposure to an article of food, and any other article of food that the Secretary reasonably believes is likely to be affected in a similar manner, will cause serious adverse health consequences or death to humans or animals, each person (excluding farms and restaurants) who manufactures, processes, packs, distributes, receives, holds, or imports such article shall, at the request of an officer or employee duly designated by the Secretary, permit such officer or employee, upon presentation of appropriate credentials and a written notice to such person, at reasonable times and within reasonable limits and in a reasonable manner, to have access to and copy all records relating to such article and to any other article of food that the Secretary reasonably believes is likely to be affected in a similar manner, that are needed to assist the Secretary in determining whether there is a reasonable probability that the use of or exposure to the food will cause serious adverse health consequences or death to humans or animals

So the Secretary, an unelected bureaucrat, doesn't need any kind of proof of contaminated food to condemn it all, he only needs reasonable suspicion. No tests to prove anything, no going before a review board or anything like that, just needs the suspicion is all. The whole bill is littered with this kind of very vague language which gives very broad powers to an unelected official.

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

Nevermind. Its not worth it.

 

[UncleBuck]

The bill is soooooo Broad, NOTHING is specific, show me where it SPECIFICALLY says that small gardens will NOT be affected.

uhh, that's not how it works, genius

 

[UncleBuck]

Some people prefer to live with their head in the sand, looking backwards. Some don't.

some people prefer to run around proclaiming that the sky is falling when, in fact, it is not.

btw, you found the part of the bill that restricts my home garden, chicken little?

 

[Viagro]

some people prefer to run around proclaiming that the sky is falling when, in fact, it is not.

btw, you found the part of the bill that restricts my home garden, chicken little?

It's been posted. Pay attention, asshole.

Ten yrs ago people like you were calling people Chicken Little, who warned of the impending police state, which we are now in up to our necks.

Live with your eyes on the rearview if you choose, but people who can see the handwriting on the wall are hardly saying the sky is falling, and calling them Chicken Little is simply ignorant.

 

[Hayduke]

^^Thank you! I am certain psychotropic drugs are causing this...

 

[NoDrama]

UB, A Jew, finds the fact that there is evil in this world that would round up others and kill them to not only be ridiculous, but fantasy. A walking irony.