Who do you think you are fooling here? I'm amazed you would ask this and even more amazed you bothered to do a ten thousand word cut and paste trying to prove there are subspecies when the person you are arguing with has already stated the same as you in agreement and it's common knowledge... you are one crazy guy Brick Top. Unfathomable, crazy, and insulting.
I am stunned by the ignorance and arrogance of your reply. I replied to your message in sections, as I read each section I replied to that section. In the section I asked that about you had just written; "there were no recognized subspecies
." Go back and reread it yourself if you wish. It is precisely what you wrote. I showed that there are subspecies.
But if you wanted to address the actual topic: show 'swiss sativas' as a subspecies in any type of legitimate cannabis taxonomy or any proof about your 'Cannabis swiss sativa Brick Top L.' so we can share in your wealth of knowledge.
Show me where Panama Red is listed as an actual subspecies or Dalat or even either or both of them by their nations. You won't find one because very few subspecies are listed a nation of origin, in fact, off the top of my head I can only think of afghanica and that actually refers to what originated in or near Afghanistan, but not specifically or only in Afghanistan. OK, now I remember there being kafiristanica which covers the entire Indian subcontinent. What you seem to want to rely on is there is no specific subspecies that says Swiss or Switzerland or even Europe in it's official designation. That is sheer insanity. You seem to believe that a sativa that grows in Switzerland has to have it's own specific subspecies designation even though almost no other types of cannabis have their own specific subspecies designation that includes their nation and or strain name and at best uses a name that covers a very broad region of the world where many different strains and even strain types can exist. Just because there is no specific subspecies designation for it is in no way be proof that no sativa strains ever existed or do not now exist in Switzerland.
I have posted, more than once I believe, a list of the genus cannabis and you do not see each nations species listed by nation. You see species and subspecies but not broken down and called Laotian or Brazilian etc, so why in the wide, wide of sports would you expect to see Swiss or Switzerland or even Europe specifically mentioned?
I can only believe that you do not know what a subspecies actually is and how they are designated so you are trying to blow smoke to make it look like you do do attempt to disprove something I have already proven.
Doing another cut and paste that just includes the word 'sativa' doesn't help because we've already been over the fact that Cannabis sativa L. is/was the original name for all cannabis plants. So let's learn something specific about 'swiss sativas' since you are in such a position of supreme knowledge about them?
Do you really need me to post the same information again, that I did not write, that I cut and pasted, that clearly stated that sativas are native to Europe and Switzerland does happen to be in Europe and that in archeological digs seeds and fibers and pollen from sativa strains have been found in Switzerland, which is proof they had to exist but is in no way proof that they no longer exist.
Do you really need that for like the third or fourth time, or whatever? You know you would only ignore it again. You have ignored it each and every time I have posted it so what is the use of posting it again. If you want to read it, just scroll up or go back a page and you will find it there waiting for you.
Educate us and try to put away the ctrl+c/ctrl+v... What does a 'Swiss sativa' look like? What are/were it's growing habits? What elevations does/did this species prefer in the wilds of the Switzerland? What range has been discovered through forensic botany? How tall do/did they generally grow? Let us know anything at all about an actual 'Swiss sativa' from the internet research you've uncovered...
I can't tell you that because I have only read of its existence, and not only online as you so wrongly claimed, and since I have never seen it with my own eyes or grown it to know it's characteristics I can only tell of its existence.
I would bet everything I own that you have never grown real true Dalat in your life but being that it is a more typical type of sativa you could bluff your way through answering the same sort of questions close enough to fool anyone else who has never grown it, but I will not do that. But just because you wouldn't have any first hand knowledge of, as in personal experience with Dalat would not mean it does not or did not exist, just as just because I do not have any first hand knowledge, as in personal experience with a Swiss sativa strain is not proof it does not exist and just because there is no official subspecies designation that might be something like Cannabis sativa L. subsp. Vietnam sativa would also not be proof that Dalat does not or did not exist.
Using your own argument it could be claimed that many, many strains do not exist because they do not have a specific subspecies designation by nation or strain. You will not find something like Cannabis gigantea hort. -> Cannabis sativa L. subsp. Colombia sativa or Cannabis indica Lam. s -> Cannabis sativa L. subsp. Morocco indica (Lam.) E. Small & Cronquist, etc.
I have provided proof, that you refuse to accept, and all you have done is made claims based on what you want and need to believe.
I am not going to waste any more time offering proof to someone who ignores it and only replies with opinion and personal belief. So go ahead and say you won the day, proclaim yourself the victor and me the vanquished and even push out your chest and claim your lack of proof to refute my proof drove me off because I am through attempting to educate the uneducable, meaning of course, you.
