Coco Growers Unite!

[ZEN MASTER]

Yea stick a clone in some coco and add water.

Dude dont be giving out dead ass info lke that if you dont know what you are talking about.
if he just adds water his clone will die, then what, that's just a waste of his money, and time,if you knew what you were talking about , you'd know that. and after the fact, all torn is gonna think is, "this coco shit aint shit".

hey tOrn just remember start out with coco specifc nutes, but start with a light solution maybe about 25% stregnth.



PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

 

[t0rn]

Hey zen, thanks for being real. As for ever switching back to soil, that will never happen.

I am using the coco specific botanicare cns17 line. From what I've read around and seen on sublbc's youtube channel a 1/4 strength bloom nute aids in root growth with its higher concentration of phosphorus. I also used the sample of great white I had (powder) to dip the cut in before I stuck it into the coco. It's been 4 days now and when I see roots I'll be updating. If it doesn't work after about 2 weeks or so I'll toss that info up as well.

 

[jon blaze jr.]

hey torn watts up. i use the canna coco to clone in. 16 ml a gallon of rhizotonic or whatever rooting agent u use. If you put veg nutes in the water it usually shocks the plant too much and if you do get roots it will b in 2 or 3 weeks. Ph your watering solution to 5.7 -5.8 (i found that it works fastest in this area for some reason) 16 ml works for neptunes harvest seaweed as well. Other brands u would have to read the bottle. Anyway, take your cut dip it rooting gel, powder (clonex, bodines, take root) whatever you use. Put some fresh not used coco in a container. Use a small cup or pot something not to big. Couple inches wide couple inches deep. Place the cut into the medium and saturate it with the water solution and let it drip out. Get a humidity dome and tray. Put the cuttings in the tray and spray the inside of the dome. Now put the lid on and place under lights I use a t5 from home depot. The light should be right on top of the dome so the heat help creates the humidity. I get results in 6-9 days depending on temps and is always faster then my ez cloner. Hope it helps. I havent tried a seedling mat underneath maybe that would speed it up. Scratch the mud and stay green.

 

[jon blaze jr.]

Oh i forgot if the inside of the dome dries out spray it again with plain water. Do not foilar the cuttings until there are roots. Also there is a thousand ways to skin a cat. This way just works for me. peace out and ish

 

[ZEN MASTER]

Hey zen, thanks for being real. As for ever switching back to soil, that will never happen.

I am using the coco specific botanicare cns17 line. From what I've read around and seen on sublbc's youtube channel a 1/4 strength bloom nute aids in root growth with its higher concentration of phosphorus. I also used the sample of great white I had (powder) to dip the cut in before I stuck it into the coco. It's been 4 days now and when I see roots I'll be updating. If it doesn't work after about 2 weeks or so I'll toss that info up as well.

hey this is just an fyi. first ive never used "BLOOM" nutes in veg, thats not what its for. not saying it doesnt work. i would just be a little cautious thats all. but as far as root stimulation in clones, ive found that Roots Excelerator works beyond measure. now i dont used anything for my clones in regards to hormones, but the way i do my clones is to cut them and let them sit overnight under my floros in a solution of Roots Excelerator and water(1ml to 1gal or 4L) poured in a small cup, or if you dont need that much, .5ml to a 1/2gal or 2L. i use it all the way through the cloning and veg stage and the first two weeks of flower. but this stuff is great and it blows Rhizotonic away, and this is from personal experience.
but as far as the bloom nutes in veg, that sounds like something that someone experimented with and it work "for him". just my opinion, but i dont know how long youve been growing, so no disrespect meant, ok. but get the basics down before you try new things, and always try new things with only one or two of your plants. that way if it doesnt work out its only one or two plants screwed.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

 

[jon blaze jr.]

Hey zen , How much better is the Roots xlerator compared to the Rhizo? What made you switch and or stick with the xl? Just curious and dont want to drop the 124 on a bottle to run an experiment just yet. I just switched to the Neptunes harvest seaweed cause its cheaper then the rhizo and it works just as good. Thanks for all the posts I have learned a lot from reading this thread especially from you and jberry.

 

[LaudanumRx]

Roots Organics Soilless Coco Potting Mix is, well, uh, THE SHIT:

http://www.aurorainnovations.org/soilless.html

I also use cocotek basket liners to start clones in. You want 2" for little little guys and 3" for anything with a little meat on its bones. The covers help keep them erect, but you have to trim a little off the edges because their diameter is a little large. The roots grow right through them so you can just drop them in a bigger container when it's time to transplant:

http://www.generalhydroponics.com/genhydro_US/cocotek.html

 

[ZEN MASTER]

Hey zen , How much better is the Roots xlerator compared to the Rhizo? What made you switch and or stick with the xl? Just curious and dont want to drop the 124 on a bottle to run an experiment just yet. I just switched to the Neptunes harvest seaweed cause its cheaper then the rhizo and it works just as good. Thanks for all the posts I have learned a lot from reading this thread especially from you and jberry.

actually when the dude at the hydro shop was hyping this stuff up i thought it was a bunch of "hype". especially since every time i would come in he would do it. i figured they bought a lot of some stuff that they couldnt move. but he was so compelling that i did some research when i came across a video from Big Mike of Advanced Nutrients. in this vid he was basically telling the public that the Roots XLerator root stimulator was better than his own root product. so much so that not only did he endorse the Roots XLerator, he said that until he could make a better product he was taking his off of the market. now call it tag-team marketing or the honest truth, i was sold. luck for me the hydro shop would break the bottles down for those that could not afford the $77 for the 250ml bottle. and they had smaller ones for $35. well i tried it with some babies that just would not root with the Rhizo, mind you that is what i had been using for the longest, and had given it rave reviews to a certian extent. so to me it was the shit. but with this tuff its like the roots had a whole new lease on life. since then, and mind you im saying this was "my" experience, but since then ive been using it. and i dont know what percentage but i do know that i have way better root growth. the roots are thicker and they come quicker, and not only that, the branching is thicker also, and white as fuck. so what i did after the little 3oz dropper bottle was done was just get a 250ml and refill it. but hey go on-line man you can find it cheaper than $124, lone star hydro.com. so yea to me its worth it, from my experience. hell $77 for 250ml, right? they suggest 1ml per gallon or 4L. so lets just say to feed my vegging plants i use 30 liters or 7 gallons per feeding, well i roughly get 33-36 feedings. thats about 8 to 10 weeks of feeding for me, thats four to five harvest on an 8 week perpetual garden, so yea thats pretty good for 77 bucks to me. and i know ive went on but when i find something good i really try to get my piont across on how good it is "FROM MY EXPERIENCE". but thats why i like it bro.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

 

[jon blaze jr.]

thanks zen appreciate the insight. Ive seen that video as well its the gh root xlerator not house and garden right. I thought you were talking about the h&g one. They sell the gh one for the 77 you were talking about. Guess i will be trying an experiment in the new year. Thanks again zen

 

[ZEN MASTER]

thanks zen appreciate the insight. Ive seen that video as well its the gh root xlerator not house and garden right. I thought you were talking about the h&g one. They sell the gh one for the 77 you were talking about. Guess i will be trying an experiment in the new year. Thanks again zen

Yes i was talking about the House and Garden brand. i dont know about a gh brand. do you mean General Hydroponics? if so, i think gen. hydro. is a good brand, but i dont think that they have kept up with alot of the advancements in the nutrient game,"for the most part" in my opinion. but yes i did mean House and Garden.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

 

[t0rn]

6 days now and I have roots showing on the bottom of 2/8 clones. Not bad for a noob with limited budget and no correct cloning gear other than a dome.

 

[jberry]

OK now i came here for some insight on foliar spraying with canna boost i have 12ml per gallon in nute solution, i was thinking may be 4ml in my 2 gallon sprayer and 2ml part coco part B, sound any good along with 101 wetting agent.

thanks rep for u

Hello,
Here is the lowdown on foliars with Canna's rhizo & boost: (Foliars will work much better then root feeds with both of these products since carbohydrates & hormones are more easily absorbed through the leaves, and Amino Acids cant be absorbed through the root system at all and carbohydrates are pretty much in that same boat with the exception of them having a benefit to soil-microbe health/activity. )

*Approximately 2 ml/gal on the Rhizotonic, but can vary up or down based on the sensitivity of the plant to translaminer movement. The hormones and some vitamins will be what is taken up and they work at very low levels. However, if needed you can go up but the high limit will be about half of the normal amount used for root feeding. This is a growers choice. I would not apply it in flower for many reasons as a foliar. You can adjust the pH but gently and make it come in around 7 or a little higher. You only have to be close. After about the second week past flower initiation I would not use it foliar anymore but you should use it from the beginning foliar. Apply about 3 times per week or every other day.

**Boost is a bit different; use it at the low rate, 8 ml/gal applied every other day. It has little EC and will not affect the plant to much. Also, only adjust the pH if it is way out of bounds but if between 5.2 and 7.9 don't worry about it. Apply from the point of photoperiod change to about 1 week prior to harvest.
If you begin to see residues, and you might, syringe the leaves with water to the point of dripping prior to re-appling the products. Only wet the leaves very close to the lights coming on when room temps are cooler and there is sufficent time for the leaves to dry before dark. Avoid directly spraying flowers and fruit as this may change taste and allow opportunity for disease to develop.
Hope this helps,

-J

 

[jberry]

H&G Roots Exl does work better then rhizo imo... the rhizo works better as a foliar and it will work great if used every other day or so... The H&G Roots Exl contains a unusual low-oxygen loving beneficial bacteria that i suspect as the secret ingredient that makes this product stand out but it cant be used as a foliar as far as i know.

As far as big mike and advanced nutrients goes... I would be very leary of him and his companies, websites, ect... I wont be surprised if the company gets shut down some day or big mike ends up behind bars... Dutchmasters is another shady company that will straight up lie just to sell you their products.

 

[nas2007]

hey j hows it going bro. just wanted to ask, how many weeks should i flush for harvest in canna coco to get a good smoke? im not planning on resuing my coco so is ok to flush with plain water? or is it best to us canna flush?

and one more thing this is my first grow and im not familiar on how to flush, can you give me some instructions on how to flush with coco my plant is in a 15L pot? thanks j any help is much appreciated!!

 

[jberry]

wut up homie...the quick answer is 4-7 days imo but i go by the leaves... when they pale up and start yellowing pretty good then they are ready to chop... you want to use a lot of water at first to kick the proccess in motion and because if you drag the flushing out too long (start too early & go too long) then it will hurt your yield.

Coco can be flushed very easily and quickly compared to other mediums but the flushing time can vary depending on the strain, the size of plant/container, and the amount of salts that have accumulated over the grow from things like: using tap water, not enough run-off, high heat, ect... When it comes to coco, the hardest things to flush out are the big numbered powdered fertilizer like Shooting Powder, MOAB, Big Bud, Cha-Ching ect... And there are a number of things that could be in your tap water that are not so great and can be taken up by cannabis.

I've even read about cannabis (it was likely hemp) being planted at toxic spill sites because it is one of the only fast growing plants that can absorb a wide variety of toxins/waste/ect., and it can obviously tolerate less then ideal growing conditions.

For a one time flush you would need to use 3X the volume of medium, so a 15L pot would need 45L of water... its likey that no more flushing would be needed using this method. You can get away with breaking it into 2 waterings but it will take a little longer and dont wait more then a day inbetween the waterings.....

-J

hey j hows it going bro. just wanted to ask, how many weeks should i flush for harvest in canna coco to get a good smoke? im not planning on resuing my coco so is ok to flush with plain water? or is it best to us canna flush?

and one more thing this is my first grow and im not familiar on how to flush, can you give me some instructions on how to flush with coco my plant is in a 15L pot? thanks j any help is much appreciated!!

 

[nas2007]

wut up homie...the quick answer is 4-7 days imo but i go by the leaves... when they pale up and start yellowing pretty good then they are ready to chop... you want to use a lot of water at first to kick the proccess in motion and because if you drag the flushing out too long (start too early & go too long) then it will hurt your yield.

Coco can be flushed very easily and quickly compared to other mediums but the flushing time can vary depending on the strain, the size of plant/container, and the amount of salts that have accumulated over the grow from things like: using tap water, not enough run-off, high heat, ect... When it comes to coco, the hardest things to flush out are the big numbered powdered fertilizer like Shooting Powder, MOAB, Big Bud, Cha-Ching ect... And there are a number of things that could be in your tap water that are not so great and can be taken up by cannabis.

I've even read about cannabis (it was likely hemp) being planted at toxic spill sites because it is one of the only fast growing plants that can absorb a wide variety of toxins/waste/ect., and it can obviously tolerate less then ideal growing conditions.

For a one time flush you would need to use 3X the volume of medium, so a 15L pot would need 45L of water... its likey that no more flushing would be needed using this method. You can get away with breaking it into 2 waterings but it will take a little longer and dont wait more then a day inbetween the waterings.....

-J

hey j,
thanks for that, that helped me alot, let me get this right
so i should flush her 4-7 day before i chop her or in other words flush her and when she pale's up and start yellowing pretty good then just chop her, right?

and one more thing, when i flush her and she is taking more then 7 days to become pale and yellow, do i water her some more water because the coco is drying out.

and when you say water you do mean plain water right?

thanks alot bro, your ansers are alwais the best and straight forwed, and thanks alot by taking the time out and helping us noobs

 

[vdubb808]

I got a question ? Does coco have to be used only as a drain to waste type of feeding. Or could it be used with an ebb & flow type of feeding ?

I'm wondering because I want to minimize the work and time I spend in feeding my plants and feeding each individual plant takes up time. So i'm looking for a way to feed all plants at once. I'm looking for ideas or systems that anyone uses that will decrease my time spent on each plant and keep productivity the same or better.

 

[ZEN MASTER]

I got a question ? Does coco have to be used only as a drain to waste type of feeding. Or could it be used with an ebb & flow type of feeding ?

I'm wondering because I want to minimize the work and time I spend in feeding my plants and feeding each individual plant takes up time. So i'm looking for a way to feed all plants at once. I'm looking for ideas or systems that anyone uses that will decrease my time spent on each plant and keep productivity the same or better.

no, and yes.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

 

[vdubb808]

no, and yes.



PEACE!!!
-ZEN-

So how could I automate my feedings and type of system would be best ?

 

[ZEN MASTER]

so how could i automate my feedings and type of system would be best ?

i only do drain to waste, but there are slabs of coco that are like rockwool slabs, coco chunks, etc. Just google "how to use coco in recirculating systems". Im sure alot will come up. Me personally i made a manifold to feed mine .


Peace!!!
-zen-