Organic Nutes

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Cat Whisperer

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My plants just went into flowering a few days ago, and I would like to use natural fertilizers/nutes to enhance this process. I used blood meal while they were in veg and they really seemed to like it. I've heard that blackstrap molasses and bone meal are good for flowering. What do you think? I'm a total noob when it comes to growing, and I welcome any and all advice... Thanks!
 
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Wetdog

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The molasses is good, but you kinda fucked up with the bone meal. It's good stuff, but should be added to the mix before use because it takes so long to break down. Like a couple of months. Usually it's breaking down while the plants are in veg.

Right now, your best bet would be to snag some high P bat guano and also some kelp meal, MJ is a K hog in flower.

Snag these 2 and top dress or a tea along with the molasses.

GL

Wet
 
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Mother's Finest

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I'd call molasses more of a soil additive than a fertilizer and there are grows that do not benefit from using it. While it works very well mixed into the soil, Bone Meal and other solid, organic ferts can also be made into a tea for fertilizing. In addition to the Bone Meal, you should use some of the Blood Meal for more Nitrogen. You'll also need to find a source of Potassium as that is the primary flowering nutrient.
 
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Viagro

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Mother's Finest said:
I'd call molasses more of a soil additive than a fertilizer and there are grows that do not benefit from using it. While it works very well mixed into the soil, Bone Meal and other solid, organic ferts can also be made into a tea for fertilizing. In addition to the Bone Meal, you should use some of the Blood Meal for more Nitrogen. You'll also need to find a source of Potassium as that is the primary flowering nutrient.
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All soil benefits from molasses by stimulating beneficial microbial activity, promoting chelation, and allowing the plant to uptake required nutrients. What grows would not benefit is a hard one to imagine.

Blood and bone meal can be dangerous products as they are derived from ground up diseased carcasses and meat packing scraps, including brain and spinal tissues. Don't breathe any in, if you insist on using it.

You can achieve a greener plant by pushing a rusting nail into the soil for slow release iron.

You can blender a banana peel with your tea, or the water you make your tea with, and strain for potassium. Sometimes I just mix in a chopped up banana peel in my soil.
 
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Mother's Finest

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Viagro said:
All soil benefits from molasses by stimulating beneficial microbial activity, promoting chelation, and allowing the plant to uptake required nutrients. What grows would not benefit is a hard one to imagine.
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It's actually quite easy to imagine. You just think of soil that is already littered with many times the number of microbes of any normal soil, and ask yourself if trying to get more is actually going to help the plant. There is always a point at which more of anything will start to harm plants rather than help them. Soils that already have very strong and healthy microorganism populations won't see any benefit from adding extra sugars. When we stopped using molasses because the sugars in the soil encouraged ants, there was absolutely no difference in plant growth.

Most fertilizers are poisonous to humans and should not be inhaled or consumed. Bone and Blood Meals are not any more dangerous than other typical fertilizers.
 
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Mother's Finest

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Gr8tful- Maxicrop soluble seaweed powder (1-0-4) is a good source of K and we also use Palm Bunch Ash (0-0-30) during flowering.
 
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Viagro

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Mother's Finest said:
It's actually quite easy to imagine. You just think of soil that is already littered with many times the number of microbes of any normal soil, and ask yourself if trying to get more is actually going to help the plant. There is always a point at which more of anything will start to harm plants rather than help them. Soils that already have very strong and healthy microorganism populations won't see any benefit from adding extra sugars. When we stopped using molasses because the sugars in the soil encouraged ants, there was absolutely no difference in plant growth.

Most fertilizers are poisonous to humans and should not be inhaled or consumed. Bone and Blood Meals are not any more dangerous than other typical fertilizers.
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You failed to mention the chelation benefit from molasses, which all plants can benefit from, especially those which have been overfertilized. And used sparingly, as it should be, molasses causes no problems with ants. The sugar is broken down rather rapidly by microbial action. Overdoing it can cause problems if sugar water collects beneath, but that's misapplication.

Bone and blood meal are not poisonous, they are potentially pathogenic.

Your facts are lacking. Regardless of your "experience".
 
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Wetdog

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Viagro said:
Blood and bone meal can be dangerous products as they are derived from ground up diseased carcasses and meat packing scraps, including brain and spinal tissues. Don't breathe any in, if you insist on using it.
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That statement is just flat out WRONG!

Got any facts to back up any of that?

Wet
 
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Wetdog

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No doubt about the mad cow.

That's why porcine (pig} blood is now used instead.

I'll have to check on the bone source.

Wet
 
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Viagro

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Wetdog said:
No doubt about the mad cow.

That's why porcine (pig} blood is now used instead.

I'll have to check on the bone source.

Wet
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Now, that's not entirely true. Blood and bonemeal are still derived from bovine sources. Anyway: pigs, sheep, even deer and elk can harbor the prions responsible for BSE.
 
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