time non existent

DarthD3vl said:
[video=youtube;yMEhkTxs3_E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMEhkTxs3_E[/video]

have you seen pandorum puffer? reminds me of triangle and moon somewhat
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LoL. We JUST watched pandorum. Trippy movie. Not quite like moon, as there wasn't someone controlling their destiny, really. Maybe the crazy one, in a way...
 
PANDORUM = PCP

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Hey to keep it on the theme of time ...
I have an idea ... please allow me to present some of my favorite shorts ...

[video=youtube;2Q6DAG1nMCM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q6DAG1nMCM&feature=relmfu[/video]

[video=youtube;rGZF3PZTI54]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGZF3PZTI54&feature=player_embedded#at=18[/video]

[video=youtube;mqprgBY70qM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqprgBY70qM&feature=fvwrel[/video]

and now ... please allow me to freeze
This picture in time ...

AS THAT IS IMPORTANT

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Puffer Fish said:
I have this old photo album. It is about 200 years old ... the one with lead backed photographs.
Pictures of families .... emotions .... from way back then ....
I kinda feel like the character
in your last picture ... looking at this old album here .... people frozen it time.
(for my eyes only)

Do you thing that knowing that I am the only one holding these photographs .....
makes them appear to me as if they are priceless .... ? .... is that the only reason I value them ?
Just for that magic within them ??
Which I can only see ...

Or do I find attachment in trivial things ... based on an emotion ... as per a certain link in/to fleeting time ? ... as I watch old photos ...?
and as it passes within them ... ?
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You value them for the strong value of long term memory recognition they posses. Your memories help you establish self-awareness and a conceived value to your existence. [video=youtube;PBfKbOEWR6I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBfKbOEWR6I[/video]

This man does not have the ability to store long term memory and only short term for a very brief period. When asked about his past he has no memory of it, and when asked about his future he cannot give any definitive answer other than the basic social desires people have (a family, children, good job, ect.). No reminiscing of past, no day dreaming of the future, a permanent state of "here and now" amnesia. What is any personal picture worth when you have no memory of whos in it or where it is or how you felt? Would it even be considered personal at all? What is anything worth if you have no memory of it? If you watch the other parts to the video it includes a man in the late stages of Alzheimer disease. He cannot even remember to eat food when he is hungry without someone guiding him through every process of it. Why he continues the struggle of the disease he responses with "You just got to keep on keeping on" which is basically the same response of the man in the linked video. They are aware of their inability to remember but they continue to have a positive/neutral out look on life even though they cannot make any form of predisposed outcome of the future or feeling of existence in the past. It seems that natural animal "instincts" exert a subconscious urge to exist even if there is no value/gain to it.Along with the subconscious fear of not being able to comprehend or accept the state of non-existence.
 
Swag said:
You value them for the strong value of long term memory recognition they posses. Your memories help you establish self-awareness and a conceived value to your existence. [video=youtube;PBfKbOEWR6I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBfKbOEWR6I[/video]

This man does not have the ability to store long term memory and only short term for a very brief period. When asked about his past he has no memory of it, and when asked about his future he cannot give any definitive answer other than the basic social desires people have (a family, children, good job, ect.). No reminiscing of past, no day dreaming of the future, a permanent state of "here and now" amnesia. What is any personal picture worth when you have no memory of whos in it or where it is or how you felt? Would it even be considered personal at all? What is anything worth if you have no memory of it? If you watch the other parts to the video it includes a man in the late stages of Alzheimer disease. He cannot even remember to eat food when he is hungry without someone guiding him through every process of it. Why he continues the struggle of the disease he responses with "You just got to keep on keeping on" which is basically the same response of the man in the linked video. They are aware of their inability to remember but they continue to have a positive/neutral out look on life even though they cannot make any form of predisposed outcome of the future or feeling of existence in the past. It seems that natural animal "instincts" exert a subconscious urge to exist even if there is no value/gain to it.Along with the subconscious fear of not being able to comprehend or accept the state of non-existence.
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All the questions posed ... rhetorical in nature ... as I have studied Psychology for a very long time.
But in every way ... I loved your answer ... and contemplation on the subject. :)

The human mind is such a fantastic device .... :0
I love to hack it's functions ... and learn from the experience.
 
Puffer Fish said:
The human mind is such a fantastic device .... :0
I love to hack it's functions ... and learn from the experience.
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Yes I feel the exact same way. An analogy I use for when I get asked why I am intrigued by psychology is "A good chess player always thinks 3 moves ahead before making a decision." If you can analyze every detail and possible outcome it greatly increases the chance of the outcome (your future) unfolding in your favor. Well this can be said true for just about everything. From a more cynical point of view I guess I also like it for the fact that it teaches you what mental buttons you need to push to persuade people to agree to your point of view, almost like mind control. The deep philosophical and psychological posts you post here almost always lead me into thinking about long in-depth psychological theories and sometimes self revelations. Glad I was able to post something worthwhile for you once :D (No sarcasm intended)
 
BongTokinAlcoholic420 said:
about a year ago i had a weird dream which set me into deep depression and guilt. after the dream i was thinking holy shit, i have to have felt that. like there was no other way my life could have went. it scared the shit out of me and gave me lots of anxiety. just the fact that the whole universe is already planned and we are just experiencing it. it really scared me. until a few weeks ago, while on a DXM trip i realized that it could be real. then i started getting weird signs that i was right. and if it's true then only god would know it. but some how i know. and i don't really know what to do. at first i was hoping to tell a scientist and they somehow prove it then that's what would start the whole "2012" awakening. Do you think it could be true? if so what do you think i should do? i'd love for it to be this massive awakening for all of man kind. Like sort of the ending of the concept of time. I was really hoping i could save the world, but now i'm starting to realize that it doesn't seem that possible. IDK i guess we will find out.


BTW i only realized it could be right after about a day of two of being on DXM. sorta like a DXM trip but only using 2 116ml bottles through out the two days.
And I am currently in a so called "insane asylum" called Osowatamie. just a little fun fact. lol
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I still believe that I am not in control of myself now, never was, and never will be. Secondly, I believe that I have no control, never did, and never will. Lastly, I believe that no one has ever had control, nobody has control now, and that nobody ever will.

p.s. By not having control aka not being in control means not having freewill to do anything. LOL PEACE:cool:
 
BongTokinAlcoholic420 said:
I still believe that I am not in control of myself now, never was, and never will be. Secondly, I believe that I have no control, never did, and never will. Lastly, I believe that no one has ever had control, nobody has control now, and that nobody ever will.

p.s. By not having control aka not being in control means not having freewill to do anything. LOL PEACE:cool:
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Yes I agree there is no free will, every event is the effect of a previous cause the universe and our own minds are physical and chemical interactions that our own consciousness has no ability to affect in any way, I am not a part of this world nor am I apart from this world, simply a witness, a witness of the eternal present, no there is no actual thing "time". It is a construct of the human mind, it is a measurement of the motion of the cosmos, it has no real existence out there, beyond the mind, be Still, just Be
 
New Age United said:
Yes I agree there is no free will, every event is the effect of a previous cause the universe and our own minds are physical and chemical interactions that our own consciousness has no ability to affect in any way, I am not a part of this world nor am I apart from this world, simply a witness, a witness of the eternal present, no there is no actual thing "time". It is a construct of the human mind, it is a measurement of the motion of the cosmos, it has no real existence out there, beyond the mind, be Still, just Be
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You rang? ;-)
 
New Age United said:
Yes I agree there is no free will, every event is the effect of a previous cause the universe and our own minds are physical and chemical interactions that our own consciousness has no ability to affect in any way, I am not a part of this world nor am I apart from this world, simply a witness, a witness of the eternal present, no there is no actual thing "time". It is a construct of the human mind, it is a measurement of the motion of the cosmos, it has no real existence out there, beyond the mind, be Still, just Be
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So my own problem that whole thing is that I have crossed paths with more than a few people who swear up and down that they are in control of everything that they do. And that they have complete freewill and that the future can be altered and is not predetermined nor predestined in any form. And I have no idea if my theory is correct or their "claim" of freewill. Freewill sounds like a retarded monkey concept just like God. And jesus christ and Santa claus.
 
BongTokinAlcoholic420 said:
So my own problem that whole thing is that I have crossed paths with more than a few people who swear up and down that they are in control of everything that they do. And that they have complete freewill and that the future can be altered and is not predetermined nor predestined in any form. And I have no idea if my theory is correct or their "claim" of freewill. Freewill sounds like a retarded monkey concept just like God. And jesus christ and Santa claus.
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There is the illusion of free will, but the will is determined by conditioned thought, our thoughts determine our actions and every single itsy bitsy thought is determined by that conditioning, what we learn consciously is registered subconsciously and is woven into the fabric of our personalities, our egos are what controls our will and not one human being has control of their own mind.
 
New Age United said:
There is the illusion of free will, but the will is determined by conditioned thought, our thoughts determine our actions and every single itsy bitsy thought is determined by that conditioning, what we learn consciously is registered subconsciously and is woven into the fabric of our personalities, our egos are what controls our will and not one human being has control of their own mind.
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I do concur, but why do so many humans believe they own some word called "freewill". I have an aunt who swore up and down that she had freewill. But boy did she look stupid saying it. I said no the future is completely planned already down to every little minute detail. Not saying a person planned it, I just think it was planned but by divine revelation. I have never believed that I had freewill. In fact I've always known that everything was planned by some matrix. Past present and future. I wish I had freewill. I would eat fifty trillion trillion trillion tons of LSD-25 and be perfectly fine. Lol and the same amount of peyote buttons and psychedelic mushrooms. LMFAO!!!
 
BongTokinAlcoholic420 said:
I do concur, but why do so many humans believe they own some word called "freewill". I have an aunt who swore up and down that she had freewill. But boy did she look stupid saying it. I said no the future is completely planned already down to every little minute detail. Not saying a person planned it, I just think it was planned but by divine revelation. I have never believed that I had freewill. In fact I've always known that everything was planned by some matrix. Past present and future. I wish I had freewill. I would eat fifty trillion trillion trillion tons of LSD-25 and be perfectly fine. Lol and the same amount of peyote buttons and psychedelic mushrooms. LMFAO!!!
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Everything happens for a reason but it is not a future reason but a past reason, nothing happens today in order to bring to fruition a grand scheme, everything that happens today happens bc of what the past has done, it is not a means to an end it is simply a means in itself, action is on set course which cannot be changed, but that is not to say that every action is planned it is more like a chemical reaction than a system. This is all just my opinion of course.
 
You know, I was thinking... What if I am not even real? What if I literally do not exist? And time and space as well? That would be freaking crazy. It would make sense though. The Universe is an illusion and so am I.
 
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