Transition from Veg appropriate nutes to flowering nutes

[kingofqueen]

most of those plants are fully flowered and the growers use seperate nutes for n,p, and k. also organic soil wont turn them yellow as much. they turn yellow because the plant is dying. the plant produces the bud faster when dying but not more in the end. most of us growers want the fastest plant possible. i assume the best plats youve seen were prob outdoors since they produce the largest colas and look the best. and your not purposely dropping nitrogen to yellow them. after stretching, they use less therefore you dont need to give them as much. yellowing is natural in most strains.

Nope I follow all indoor grows . Us guys 9-3-6 in veg . and 1-2-3 in flower , no high p foods .

 

[DrFever]

That is a good question.

The three most important plant nutrients are nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium, expressed as ratios on fertilizer packages. Flowering plants do best when you give them a fertilizer with a ratio of 1-2-1 (nitrogen-phosphorus-potassium), so any plant food with this ratio is a good choice, according to Texas A&M. Less nitrogen produces more flowers, while higher concentrations of nitrogen produce more foliage, at the expense of flowers. For example, a plant food having an N-P-K ratio of 10-20-10 is appropriate for flowering plants, whether potted or in the ground. These numbers indicate that the plant food contains 10 percent nitrogen, 20 percent phosphorus and 10 percent potassium; the remaining 60 percent is comprised of inert materials.

 

[hughesresearch]

Nope I follow all indoor grows . Us guys 9-3-6 in veg . and 2-1-3 in flower , no high p foods .

then i need to get a lesson on how that works. if i use any less than i am now, they show p and zinc def.

 

[kingofqueen]

the plant produces the bud faster when dying but not more in the end.

Do you mean that while flowering if you keep N down just right the plant thinks it's dying and flowers out more ?
As opposed to keeping them well feed with N will cause them not to do this?

 

[kingofqueen]

then i need to get a lesson on how that works. if i use any less than i am now, they show p and zinc def.

Well I,m no chemist but those ratio's are manufactured and working without def. Micro nutes included .

 

[DrFever]

Nope I follow all indoor grows . Us guys 9-3-6 in veg . and 2-1-3 in flower , no high p foods .

why use more high-phosphorus formulation fetilizer is to increase root development, make larger blooms, boost seed production, and enhance fruit flavor.

 

[hughesresearch]

the plant produces the bud faster when dying but not more in the end.

Do you mean that while flowering if you keep N down just right the plant thinks it's dying and flowers out more ?
As opposed to keeping them well feed with N will cause them not to do this?

sort of. if you drop nitrogen too much, the cell structures seem to weaken and the plant starts to die. all i ment was that because its dying faster than it should, it tries to push out the buds, but because your speeding up its cycle, it does not yield as much. i did one test running high nitrogen-and it seemed to work well on one strain, while my white widows, currently, are not. they are yellowing anyway. im currently trying to figure out if its some other problem. the plant that it worked well on was perfect for regeneration, but if the plant doesnt need it, i dont want to spend extra money giving it to it. i try to find the right balance of when the plant will be done and how much to regulate the nutes. i can only do that by growing the same strain over and over.

 

[HIDDEN42O]

OKAY HERE IS THE NAIL IN THE COFFIN.

MULTI MILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS HIRING SCIENTISTS TO RESEARCH WEED PLANTS.

What do they come up with after all the millions and all the research.

Bloom nutes LOW in N and HIGH in P

 

[hughesresearch]

Well I,m no chemist but those ratio's are manufactured and working without def. Micro nutes included .

the only way i can possible understand that is if the nutes are a mixture of organic and synthetic. i know organic soil doesnt use n-p-k ratings anywhere near synthetic nutes

 

[hughesresearch]

see this is what im talking about, directly from your grow:

Medium is Happy Frog Soil , party cups,#1 and#3 pots in veg . I'm using 5 gallon buckets in flower . I mix in different ingredients for veg and flower .

 

[kingofqueen]

Yup they sure are !

 

[hughesresearch]

i think we might have the major difference of soil vs hydro here. still researching, i wanna how the hell to do this with hydro. i goin to work now tho, peace!

 

[DrFever]

all i can say is i use high P and K in flowering ( 5 pounds ) per 2 1/2 lights how i cam up with this figure is thats all we could trim in one day ) heres a pic 3 " clone 14 days later went into flower usein lots of P AND K also nitrogen but not over kill

 

[hughesresearch]

i also notice you use the phrase make it rain alot, i dont want to forget, so are you foliar feeding?

edit: meant for kingofqueen

 

[kingofqueen]

OKAY HERE IS THE NAIL IN THE COFFIN.

MULTI MILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS HIRING SCIENTISTS TO RESEARCH WEED PLANTS.

What do they come up with after all the millions and all the research.

Bloom nutes LOW in N and HIGH in P

Just for sanity , do you believe that ? All cann nutes are yeah marketed toward us because its a money maker for them . Look at how much they charge . Green house nutrient companys have been around way before canna nutes .And they cost pennies ,and work just a like .

 

[kingofqueen]

i also notice you use the phrase make it rain alot, i dont want to forget, so are you foliar feeding?

edit: meant for kingofqueen

Nope it's a flush phed to that of rain.(RM3 dubbed the term)

 

[HIDDEN42O]

Just for sanity , do you believe that ? All cann nutes are yeah marketed toward us because its a money maker for them . Look at how much they charge . Green house nutrient companys have been around way before canna nutes .And they cost pennies ,and work just a like .

Sanity is relative.

Yes I do believe that Advanced Nutrients spends countless dollars on research for whats best for our girls.

 

[kingofqueen]

all i can say is i use high P and K in flowering ( 5 pounds ) per 2 1/2 lights how i cam up with this figure is thats all we could trim in one day ) heres a pic 3 " clone 14 days later went into flower usein lots of P AND K also nitrogen but not over kill

Here's a pic of plant that was keep feed all the way through no lack of N .


Used 5-10-5 for bloom nute .topdressed with 5-5-5 throughout .

 

[kingofqueen]

Sanity is relative.

Yes I do believe that Advanced Nutrients spends countless dollars on research for whats best for our girls.

Yes they do but they are raping us blind man . Hence why they are so diff nutes and additives they have. How much do spend for there whole line up? I'm on your side brudder

 

[HIDDEN42O]

Here's a pic of plant that was keep feed all the way through no lack of N .
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Used 5-10-5 for bloom nute .topdressed with 5-5-5 throughout .

You do realize that no one is saying you can't do what you do... right... because obviously you do it well.....

All that's being said is that there is scientific research to back up the claim that a bloom low in N and High in P is a good formula. It's all over the internet. I'm just not gonna fetch it.

Congrats on your method though,