Its not bullshit if you can find statements clearly where others think that plants sleep.
24/hour light in veg is it good or should I 18/6?
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rastadred22
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every article i have posted goes on to explain what they do at night and still u have no clue as to what they do when there is no light if u think all they are doin is growin roots and preparing for the day than u are sorely mistaken! infact they are turning the sugars into startches an carbs as well as many other processes
rastadred22
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its bullshit if the only thing u can find that states plants sleep at night is a guy with absolutley no proof stating that they are sleeping becuase the stomatas are closed lofl
Are you really that stupid? Your telling me you cant grow when you sleep?
rastadred22
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wow i thin u are that stupid to not realise that what i said is they are doin alot more than just simpkly growin wen 'sleeping'...how can u not have takin in anything said in this thread i have proven from jump every process a plant does wen it is int he dark to prove to u that they are not sleeping....wow what an idiot man
rastadred22
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i think u really need to shut up and read everything over again! now ur just being retarded!
rastadred22
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wtf this is what i have referred to many times as the tree shutting down certain processes as a self defense to protect from environmental damages....weve been over this again and again....just shut up and read bac u will also find where is stated..and plants that shut down during the winter arent infact shut down completely...here is how they survive winter....and once again u have not proven that plants sleep!
How PLANTS survive the WINTER
<H2>ANNUALS </H2>
Annuals are plants that produce lots of flowers and seeds during the growing season .
Annuals do not survive the winter.
But in the spring, new plants grow from the seeds that the plants produced in the fall.
<H2>PERENNIALS </H2>
Perennials are plants that do survive the winter.
Usually the plant part that grows above the ground dies , but the roots are protected by layers of snow.
Then in the spring, the plants will start to grow again.
<H2>TREES </H2>
All trees must find ways to survive the winter.
Many trees lose their leaves each fall . They are called deciduous trees .
Trees that have needle-like leaves and produce cones are called coniferous trees
How PLANTS survive the WINTER
<H2>ANNUALS </H2>
Annuals are plants that produce lots of flowers and seeds during the growing season .
Annuals do not survive the winter.
But in the spring, new plants grow from the seeds that the plants produced in the fall.
<H2>PERENNIALS </H2>
Perennials are plants that do survive the winter.
Usually the plant part that grows above the ground dies , but the roots are protected by layers of snow.
Then in the spring, the plants will start to grow again.
<H2>TREES </H2>
All trees must find ways to survive the winter.
Many trees lose their leaves each fall . They are called deciduous trees .
- In the fall, heat, light, water and minerals become less available.
- The trees get rid of the leaves by stopping the flow of food to the leaves.
- Once the food supply is shut off, the leaves change color and then fall off.
Trees that have needle-like leaves and produce cones are called coniferous trees
- These trees do not lose their needles in the fall.
- The needles drop off a little at a time during the year, especially in late summer.
- Although the trees remain green, they are not growing in the wintertime.
djruiner
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rastadred22
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no ive said many of many of times the plant is not sleeping becuase plant for 1 dont fuckin sleep and 2 are still partaking in many processes and for two as stated earlier by a scientist...something sleeping isnt aware of naything that is gon on and things happen in the unconsious mind....plants dont have a mind and they are completely aware of the massive ammounts of work it is doing during the night period! PLANTS DONT SLEEP AT NIGHT!
rastadred22
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this right here proves everything u have said to be false!
Date: Fri Oct 16 02:13:03 2009
Posted By: Will Higgs, Consultant
Area of science: Botany
ID: 1255280338.Bt
Message:
That's an interesting question Akua, and before we can answer it we need todecide exactly what we mean by sleep. It is normally defined as "a state of unconciousness, with most of thevoluntary muscles relaxed". This means that the sleeper does not noticewhat is going on around him, and does not make any movements except thoseessential for life such as breathing and heartbeat. If we stick to thistype of definition, we must exclude plants from sleeping because they haveno brain or conciousness (that we can detect) and no muscles to relax.To put it another way, we could say that sleep is a neurologicalphenomenon, requiring a nervous system. As plants do not have a nervoussystem, they cannot sleep.We can, however, extend the meaning of sleep in two ways. You could saythat sleep is what you do at night, or you could say that sleep is a way ofresting the body. Plants can be said to rest or become dormant and they do use the night-timefor special purposes, and there are some similarities between theseactivities and the sleep of animals. Plants cannot, however, be said to"sleep as we humans do" because our type of sleep requires a nervous system.MadSci Network, webadmin@madsci.org
© 1995-2006. All rights reserved.
what i have noticed is u are slowly changing ur argument from plants sleep at night to plants sleep during the winter lofl! which was just proved to be again not sleeping!
Posted By: Will Higgs, Consultant
Area of science: Botany
ID: 1255280338.Bt
Message:
That's an interesting question Akua, and before we can answer it we need todecide exactly what we mean by sleep. It is normally defined as "a state of unconciousness, with most of thevoluntary muscles relaxed". This means that the sleeper does not noticewhat is going on around him, and does not make any movements except thoseessential for life such as breathing and heartbeat. If we stick to thistype of definition, we must exclude plants from sleeping because they haveno brain or conciousness (that we can detect) and no muscles to relax.To put it another way, we could say that sleep is a neurologicalphenomenon, requiring a nervous system. As plants do not have a nervoussystem, they cannot sleep.We can, however, extend the meaning of sleep in two ways. You could saythat sleep is what you do at night, or you could say that sleep is a way ofresting the body. Plants can be said to rest or become dormant and they do use the night-timefor special purposes, and there are some similarities between theseactivities and the sleep of animals. Plants cannot, however, be said to"sleep as we humans do" because our type of sleep requires a nervous system.MadSci Network, webadmin@madsci.org
© 1995-2006. All rights reserved.
what i have noticed is u are slowly changing ur argument from plants sleep at night to plants sleep during the winter lofl! which was just proved to be again not sleeping!
rastadred22
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and what i ahve said from the get go plants do not sleep at night and the only time they do sleep is during the leeching process due to rain!
what about in the winter when they arnt getting rained on? they also say that if there isnt enough water for a plant that wont die every year will go to sleep this shocks the plant to go dormant/sleep mode. So there is no need for water to go to sleep.
rastadred22
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u said the sleep not me man i really think u have problems...and a tree shutting itself down so that it can survive winter is a completely different subject than what we are on....im growing wen im sleeping but im not working! im not conciously burning and creating food! stop trying to say plants are like humans becuase u are very wrong! and if u have not read the the facts that the tree isnt doing anything during winter beucause it cant...it releases a hormone to kill itself without really killing itself and it also relsease cells that basically play a role in remembering season so as to bring itself bac to life again....but bac to the subject in hand...a tree in the winter is completely different to a plant at night even though both def. are not sleeping! man u are just one confused pointless ingnorant person! the more u post the more stupid u make urself look!
rastadred22
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kid again why are u goin off topic if already proved to u the process it goes throught to get ready for winter and thats not sleeping! but bac to the fact that plants dont sleep at night because for some reason u cant seem to keep urself on topic...
rastadred22
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but since i kno ur gonna be stuck on thinkin that they sleep during winter here is a link that explains whats goin on and what they really do and how they dont sleep and then wake up...........http://www.utexas.edu/news/2010/12/07/plant_molecule/
rastadred22
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Date: Thu Mar 9 09:34:18 2000
Posted By: Peter Minorsky, Faculty, Biology and Environmental Sciences, Western Connecticut State University
Area of science: Botany
ID: 952459434.Bt
Message:
Dear Henry:
Your question is a good one. In winter, many trees lose their leaves and the shoots of many shrubs die back to the ground. This does not mean that the plants are dead, just that they are dormant. When a plant is dormant all its life processes are going on but at a slightly slower rate. When spring comes, little buds in the tree and the shrub reawaken and give rise to brand new, green leaves and shoots. So, I think that if if you were to look very carefully at the plants in question, you will probably observe that the old brown parts aren’t turning green, but that they are being replaced by new green parts. Biologists are very busy trying to figure out why some plants can survive in cold weather and other plants can’t. I bet there’s not too may banana trees in Deerfield! Perhaps if we can understand why banana trees don't like cold weather, we might be able to change them so that that they could grow in Deerfield! We don't have all the answers, but one thing seems certain. Plants that are preparing for winter store lots and lots of sugars and salts. Now, you’ve probably seen people adding salt to their sidewalks during winter. They do this because salty and sugary liquids have a lower freezing point than does pure water. (You can test this at home by adding sugary water to half an icecube tray and pure tapwater to the other half, and seeing which one freezes first!). So, by storing lots and lots of sugars, the plants are more resistant to ice formation, and this helps them survive through winter.
so basically this proves that planbts just slow down so they techniquely not dormant just slowed down as everything does in the winter
Posted By: Peter Minorsky, Faculty, Biology and Environmental Sciences, Western Connecticut State University
Area of science: Botany
ID: 952459434.Bt
Message:
Dear Henry:
Your question is a good one. In winter, many trees lose their leaves and the shoots of many shrubs die back to the ground. This does not mean that the plants are dead, just that they are dormant. When a plant is dormant all its life processes are going on but at a slightly slower rate. When spring comes, little buds in the tree and the shrub reawaken and give rise to brand new, green leaves and shoots. So, I think that if if you were to look very carefully at the plants in question, you will probably observe that the old brown parts aren’t turning green, but that they are being replaced by new green parts. Biologists are very busy trying to figure out why some plants can survive in cold weather and other plants can’t. I bet there’s not too may banana trees in Deerfield! Perhaps if we can understand why banana trees don't like cold weather, we might be able to change them so that that they could grow in Deerfield! We don't have all the answers, but one thing seems certain. Plants that are preparing for winter store lots and lots of sugars and salts. Now, you’ve probably seen people adding salt to their sidewalks during winter. They do this because salty and sugary liquids have a lower freezing point than does pure water. (You can test this at home by adding sugary water to half an icecube tray and pure tapwater to the other half, and seeing which one freezes first!). So, by storing lots and lots of sugars, the plants are more resistant to ice formation, and this helps them survive through winter.
so basically this proves that planbts just slow down so they techniquely not dormant just slowed down as everything does in the winter