Obama's Socialist Tax Reform
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UncleBuck
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that was completely retarded.
the tenth man can go drink his beer overseas. the places he can go to that will save him money may also serve him beer that gets him sick due to non-existent regulations, but hey, it's all about money, right?
and who cares if the person serving your beer is a child working in slave labor conditions, right?
and do you even realize the irony in the fact that the tenth man wouldn't have any wealth if the 9 others didn't have the means to buy whatever he was selling?
all in all, if you rely on this type of simplified, dumbed-down, retarded example to understand our tax system, you are fucked.
also, how does this relate to obama and his 'tax reform' being socialist?
as i recall, he brokered a compromise in which the wealthiest got to keep paying at 35%, instead of the planned 39.6%. not to mention other breaks in other taxes.
furthermore, i have kept over $2k more of my own hard-earned money over the last two years thanks to obama tax policy. why are you so against letting me keep more of my own money?
Ernst
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Th only way to make it fair is to cap private wealth and make all wealth over say $5 million dollars the property of the Government.
So once everyone can be in the position to be equally rich then taxes will be fair for all.
Until then the poor need help because the difference between rich and poor only gets bigger each day.
So to solve this problem.. Reduce private wealth so we are all equal.
I bet the rich stop bitching about paying their taxes now.
So once everyone can be in the position to be equally rich then taxes will be fair for all.
Until then the poor need help because the difference between rich and poor only gets bigger each day.
So to solve this problem.. Reduce private wealth so we are all equal.
I bet the rich stop bitching about paying their taxes now.
MuyLocoNC
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Really Uncle Buck? Only a flaming liberal would consider the scenario of Obama allowing the wealthiest Americans to keep paying 35% of their incomes a COMPROMISE. Why you could and pretty much did say, the government is "LETTING" them keep 65% of their income, as if it's the government's money in the first place. Telling insight into the mind of a liberal, statist, lemming.
Ernst, you seem like a nice guy and if that's your picture you appear to be a pleasant person. But brother, the society you espouse is a living, breathing nightmare for anyone who believes in what made this country great. The fact is, not one cent of anyone's income is the property of the government. The picture you paint is some Communist hellhole that I surely don't want to exist in. Not to mention, anyone with a brain would sell off their company and assets as soon as it would reach $5 million, what would be the point of working past that? Once you remove the incentive for intelligent, driven citizens of this country to excel, you doom it to mediocrity. Just like EVERY socialist country in the history of mankind.
Ernst, you seem like a nice guy and if that's your picture you appear to be a pleasant person. But brother, the society you espouse is a living, breathing nightmare for anyone who believes in what made this country great. The fact is, not one cent of anyone's income is the property of the government. The picture you paint is some Communist hellhole that I surely don't want to exist in. Not to mention, anyone with a brain would sell off their company and assets as soon as it would reach $5 million, what would be the point of working past that? Once you remove the incentive for intelligent, driven citizens of this country to excel, you doom it to mediocrity. Just like EVERY socialist country in the history of mankind.
Your own rich do NOT pay taxes (in the USA), it is the working class that is paying. Hey, Obama even extended the tax cuts for the rich! (both parties are no longer working for it's people, but for corporations). It started with Reagan, before him the rich payed a LOT (look it up and you will be SHOCKED! I promise you). I live i Norway, so to me it is obvious that it benefits also the rich people when the workingclass has money and is healthy (in the USA, the middleclass is crumbling - something gotta give).
Sorry, RIU's editor doesn't let me separate lines, so I cannot share my experiences in living in a socialist country today. But I tell you, it's great. And we are FREE! (I mean, even the POOR are free to really LIVE LIFE TO THE FULL!). Your own poor seem to be stuck, where is the trickle down? I'll explain the benefits of socialist democracy when the editor is working again.
UncleBuck
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it is a compromise if you consider the fact that the previous president signed a bill that said they would go back up to 39.6%, like they were previously.
you call me a 'liberal, statist, lemming', so besides it being obvious that you are still stuck on your overbearingly annoying 'just read me some ayn rand' phase, i can also deduce that you would like to pay less, or zero taxes.
so question for ya, mr. smartie pants, what percentage of taxes do you think is fair?
Ernst
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I'm pointing out that the wealthy should be grateful the people of this Country allow economic injustice.
When a child complains that they are unhappy because the toys they have are not enough and clearly what they have is more than most the only lesson, to help them grow up is to take away the toys they have so they realize how lucky they are.
So far in the USA we only take away from the very poor and the rich need their turn soon.
I cannot cry for a man who have A million dollars my friend.. Not one tear drop will fall from these eyes..
But where I see a mother sleeping with two children on the side walk of a church because they have no home I figure anyone worried that their deduction for a new vacation home and pushing for higher taxes on the poor? I say those people have too much.
This is about life after all.. Last time I checked money had no pulse.
When a child complains that they are unhappy because the toys they have are not enough and clearly what they have is more than most the only lesson, to help them grow up is to take away the toys they have so they realize how lucky they are.
So far in the USA we only take away from the very poor and the rich need their turn soon.
I cannot cry for a man who have A million dollars my friend.. Not one tear drop will fall from these eyes..
But where I see a mother sleeping with two children on the side walk of a church because they have no home I figure anyone worried that their deduction for a new vacation home and pushing for higher taxes on the poor? I say those people have too much.
This is about life after all.. Last time I checked money had no pulse.
And calling Obaba a socialist is proving you have been eaten by propaganda. It's not even worth telling you why, I'll just say: In 1970 your CEO's earned $25 for each $1 the worker did. Today it's $90 for the CEO and $1 for the average worker. I'm not making up numbers, I'm using official american stats.
ginjawarrior
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lol shhh the americans dont like us europeans thinking we're free and they also dont like us thinking that we are better off than them (apart from the ex patriots that live over her now)
a mongo frog
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this thread is stupid. another thread telling us the usa is fucked up. what did the op wake up yesterday and think of this. what we didnt know this shit has been going on for years. who gives a fuck. u see we try to go to the polls and vote for whats right but there fixed. so another thread to say fuck u usa. well i say fuck u. americans will still continue to work the hardest and just maybe every thing will work out. ill bet u this country never dies. wait maybe we should go ask the government for our money back. is that what we should do op.
Ernst
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Ah but it makes for an interesting discussion.
Think about it. We are programmed to not even consider it therefore we are not playing with a full deck of cards.
Since resources are finite then private wealth means that some have more than they need and many have less than they need.
Where I would stand on the issue is what system provides the best chance for the Earth to be here in 1000 years.
If that means those who are wasting resources for private concerns may have to relinquish control of those excess resources for the greater good.
Again.. It make for a good conversation and we should have opinions that cover the complete concept and that includes opinions from the two polar positions.
Make no doubt those profiting from the wealth of this world are not united in what is best for the planet Earth.
So in 1000 years will there be rich and poor or ?
undertheice
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i suggest you look up the definitions of class envy, totalitarianism and larceny. what you propose is the epitome of all three. that any free man would believe it proper for the government to step in and confiscate what small minds might consider excess personal property is an embarrassment to those who understand the price that has been paid for the liberties we enjoy. it seems so easy for these small minds to consider all this wealth that has been created to be the rightful property of those who have failed to thrive as fully as the few.
just how often do you propose we make this economic adjustment? every five years, every ten or twenty years? i hope you realize that such a cap is not only a disgusting display base envy, but an exercise in futility as well. a few years down the road we would see a certain percentage of the citizenry increasing their wealth and the vast majority frittering it away, just as has always happened. what then, another adjustment? what you propose is born of the liberal agenda of class warfare and a moron's view of economic structure. it is the short-sighted answer that takes into account only the present, ignoring all that has been and all that is to come.
the most dangerous aspect of such an asinine idea is the power it vests in those who have made politics their vocation. while a single such adjustment would soon be rectified by the vagaries of the marketplace, the consolidation of power within government could never be undone. once such a precedent is set, it would be brought back time and again to finance the excesses and follies of the ruling class. it would allow political insiders unlimited access to the wealth of the nation and usher in a true modern age of feudalism.
beardo
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I had made a thread where I offered the solution to ensure the world would be here and the people prosperous..https://www.rollitup.org/toke-n-talk/303619-would-idea-solve-most-worlds.html
I'm not saying Americans are fucked up, we are all people. The USA has done a lot of good to the world, and I do not want it go away. I want it fixed, as it drives the global world. I'll not bother with politics anymore on this site, as I'm here for my growing hobby. Good luck Americans, please have your eyes open - as your great country have a lot of potential if you manage to get control over it (I might be wrong, it just looks like your politicans are working for the corporations, instead of you the people). edit: my last word is that your influence is so big that we are about to face the same problems over here. (Money=power, which ends with corporations in control (stage you are in), which ends in facism). Heck, even political ads on TV are banned here to avoid money=power. But we have trouble stopping it, that is your level of influence. I hope you swing left soon after 30 years of the opposite.
Ernst
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Well when folks see that some get more in Unemployment than they make working 40 hours a week it's clear they are mad but they are confused as to who to hate.
So the idea of the "Cadillac Welfare" comes under fire.
Wealthy will say the poor get to much so hate them.. They point the blame away from the fact that a few have extremely too much for one life.
Truthfully I want a job I can work till I retire that pays enough and even that has become something there isn't enough of.
beardo
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a mongo frog
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not sure, is the process painfull?
ginjawarrior
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the days of career jobs has pretty much died over here
couldn't find a better copy of this but it starts about 1.30mins in and even though its over 50 years ago it still stand true
http://www.soft55.com/funny-videos/?id=oy2oq3upvk