Plants yellowing 1 week into veg

RyaNayR

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i'm using two 27 watt cfl's. I think the MG soil has nutes in it like mine, that's why your tips are brown, just a guess though. mine also has poor drainage so my plants got overwatered easily. nute burn/suffocation. They were also stunted at a week in and stopped growing all together for a couple weeks

i think i'm just going to find a good soil recipe and mix it all myself.
 

xXHeAvYXxC

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yea dude that kool. but how much lumens are your lights putting out? mine are 1850 each. it seems to be doing the job....so llets see some pics of how yours are doing. and ill post mine up later. and i think i over watered the one just alil bit cuz its boucing outta the brown and turning back to green.
 

nroth

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Hey, man I'm having similar problems with the yellowing. I found yesterday that as we were letting the soil get dry from what I think was overwatering, that the soil seemed really packed. I'm using a moisture meter, and showing it is very wet at the bottom, and very dry at the top. I want to let it dry out the rest of the way then evenly water them all. If you figure out for sure what your problem is let me know. BTW, we are using miracle grow...supposedly it and scotts are supposed to be very similar. One guy said they are made by the same father company.
 

xXHeAvYXxC

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idk man. im using MG. and im into the 2 week no problems. but idk if i need more lumens or not. because 1850 lumens X2 bulbs. but ya kno. its doing good for the 2 plants. no yellowing no nothing. the way i water my plants is with a squirt bottle. i spray 2 or 3 sprays around the stems of the to plants and they love it. i do that about 2 or 3 times a day. but i oonly have the lights on about 13 hours aday. you think if i went to a full 19 hours of light they will grow better???
 

RyaNayR

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idk man. im using MG. and im into the 2 week no problems. but idk if i need more lumens or not. because 1850 lumens X2 bulbs. but ya kno. its doing good for the 2 plants. no yellowing no nothing. the way i water my plants is with a squirt bottle. i spray 2 or 3 sprays around the stems of the to plants and they love it. i do that about 2 or 3 times a day. but i oonly have the lights on about 13 hours aday. you think if i went to a full 19 hours of light they will grow better???
I have no idea what my lumen output is, these lights came preinstalled in this fixture, but they're both regular 27 watt cfl's.

You may have something with the sparying there. Their first week, I only sprayed them and nothing else, then went to just watering fully every few days. And come to think of it, I probably just sprayed them way too often near the time when they started yellowing, and then made it worse by fully soaking them.

And for your lightcycle, 12/12 will put them into flowering, 13 hours will probably do the same. You need 18-24 hours of light to keep them in veg so they can grow before budding up. Also, the more light, the faster they will grow. 24/0 being the most optimum for fast growth, but it uses the most electricity, and thus costs more. Also your lights are gonna die out much faster if you leave em on forever.

I'm on 24/0 though, as I need these plants to grow as fast as possible, and be harvested by May.

I'm going to try just spraying my plants a few times a day. Maybe keeping the top moist with the spraying will keep the bottom from drying out, but keep it from being soaked also. I'm also going to add a bit of peroxide to the 2 really sick plants to test it out and see if it helps or hurts.

I'll post some pics of all of them in my grow journal, which is in my sig.
 

traver21

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Hey guys, im having the Same promblem i have 3 cfls (daylight 800 lumens a piece. 2X 75 watt fl an there in my closest which is a cardboard container about 2ftby 4ft. There allmost 3 weeks old , theres only 2 plants that i have. One looks good the other looks ok but slow growth.. The main one has its first set of leaves then the 3 leaf pot leaf an now a new set being to form. the bothom leave is starting to turn yellowish..i have them in good size potts. aslo i water them every 2-3 days..depending on how dry they look..i once grew a plant 2 yrs ago indoor an outdoor and it was over 5ft tall turned out to be a female an smoked alot of good pot off it.. now i forgot how to doo everything over agian...i dont kno the temp of the room they growing in, i have a fan blowing on them , aslo the cfl are about 3 inch away.. an the fl are about 1ft away or less..

i need help on why there not growin soo fast aslo why are they turing yellow on me... also how much water do i give them.. a cup or 2 cups ya kno... please help i will be puting pics up soon for you thanks...
 

RyaNayR

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I wonder if this might be a ph issue. They seem to have gotten better when i switched to tap water (sat out for a couple days), but that's also when i changed watering habits. This soil does have something in it that is supposed to acidify the soil on it's own, probably to compensate for alkaline tap water, since it's a generic potting soil, similar to MG.

Anyone know what signs indicate ph problems? I'm going to go get a ph meter sometime soon. Also most of the leaves are now browning at the very, very tip and nothing more.

And traver, what kind of soil/medium are you using?
 

kayasgarden

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i would agree ph !!!!
It inhibits the uptake of diffrent nutes depending on if the ph is to high or low.
ph range is important for the plant to have access to the nutes you are giving the plant. Once the plant has access to less and is growing less it drinks less water and can sometimes end up with overwatering problems also.
I have been reading alot about it because i have encountered simular problems?
A ph tester is very important to have if you need it even if you dont use it all the time. The diffrence between soil that is 6.0 and 7.0 is ten times. Every point sifnifies an ten times diffrence in the acidity or alkalinity of the soil. So for a plant even from 6.5 to 7 can make a diffrence?
 

traver21

Active Member
Some cheap ass soil that i bought at homedepo for like 3 bucks, but it said it had some good nut in it...also i just got a thermoether in there its around 86 deg 52 humitdity..checked my ph today it was high soo i gotta let my water sit longer. aslo it just rained for 2 days soo i collected rain water which is alot better...

Whats a good fan i can get to cool the temp down...cuz i have a small battery fan on them now an its doing nothing...Is walmart a good place for fans to use??? aslo whats a good soil at homedepo to buy???
 

traver21

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also, I allready transplanted them before into the pots there in.. if my soil isent good enough will it be ok for me to transplat into better soil agian??? there only about 3 inch tall with 3 difert set of leaves...soo need help ... FAST!!!
 

RyaNayR

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I got my soil from homedepot too. it's Scotts brand, if that rings a bell. just get one of those fans that moves itself back and forth and place it about 10 feet away from the plants on the medium setting or someting. it should be enough to sway the leaves a little bit but not act like a windstorm. are you using hot MH/HPS lights or just clf's? try to bring the temp down to 80, that should be fine for them.

and i would wait for them to recover from the pervious transplant before doing it again. just give em a week and transplant into light, well drained soil. It should have about 30-50% perlite, and no large woodchips. The best bet would be to look up a good soil recipe, get all the ingredients, and mix it yourself. but that takes a bit of effort and planning so it's up to you.
 

RyaNayR

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a couple days ago i took one of the really sick plants out of its pot, broke up the root ball, and rinsed off the roots with tap water just to see what happens to it. but i noticed and didnt really think about it, that there was hardly any root system at all, just like 10 really thin roots and the tap root, and that plant is 5 weeks old. that definitely has to do with whatever caused all the yellowing and stunting, and i'm sure the other really sick one looks the same.

So what can cause really stunted root growth? or does just about any major problem do that? my guess would be that it confirms overwatering though. i really don't know how they got overwatered that bad though, and why they haven't improved at all or even gotten worse, since i started letting them dry an inch down and fully watering them. maybe i shouldn't water till it pours out the bottom but that's what everyone says to do.

I think i might just forget about judging the soil to know when to water, and basically just let the plant tell me when it's ready by drooping badly. and if that doesn't work then i'm out of ideas.
 

RyaNayR

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Where would I find one of those? would walmart or some place have them? And what would it look like?
 

titleistbudz

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Purchase an ec/moister meter that will assist you with nutes and watering....
Well said. You can get them at Home Depot or Walmart... They are hydrometers.

My 100% honest suggestion to you right now is to scrap these sprouts (the bad ones), go out and find a good soil or soiless medium(I use Miracle Grow Potting Soil and mix in 25% peralite and 25% vermiculite and I've had NO problems). Your plants are stunted so bad its really not going to get better.

Stop worrying so much. Plant them, and water when you need to. Soak them and leave them for 2 days and water them again. You dont need to make this more difficult then it is. You have some nice ones, and they will grow fine! Just leave them the fuck alone :)
 
They are not hard to spot at walmart or your local nursery....just ask an attendant or check out pics on the net so you know what you're looking for.
 

nroth

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I think his problem could of been similar to mine...you can check out my pictures in my log in my sig. I used miracle grow but didn't know I should add more perlite and verm. like titleist suggested, which is what I think caused the plants to have poor drainage. Also, the soil seemed to get packed very easy, especially after watering....compounding the issues. I have been going by my hydrometer and also using it to aerate the dirt. We water when the middle has dropped to around 3, and or the bottom is at or below 5.
 

RyaNayR

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Thanks for all the advice guys, i'll pick up the new soil that titelist suggested and a meter. and i'm gonna just go with the flow and not 'over-care' the plants.

What should I do with the sprouts once i've got new soil? just plant the whole soil ball into bigger pots?

Thanks.
 
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