Government Shutdown, Who Gets The Blame?

[londonfog]

Fascism has been around a lot longer than Alex Jones. FDR modeled the New Deal based on what he saw taking place in Fascist Italy. That is not Alex Jones' interpretation. That's history.

You simply ASSume I pay attention to anything that guy has to say. He's an entertainer. Nothing more.

So you say you are an Anarchist. BFD! That just means you need an excuse to set fires and break windows.

Progressive policies are bringing this country down slower than Anarchy would. However, the breakdown will lead to Anarchy.

But Anarchy is temporary. Eventually, the masses BEG for someone to save them. Presto! Dictatorship.

The sidewalks may be different, but they both lead to the same playground.

So you go on with your 'Nazi this; Nazi that.' horseshit. You are simply showing your own asshole to everybody.

do you hate all progressive..the meaning of the word itself is for advancement...do you like being stuck in the past ?????

 

[Johnnyorganic]

do you hate all progressive..the meaning of the word itself is for advancement...do you like being stuck in the past ?????

It does represent advancement. But advancing towards what?

Doublespeak keeps the herd befuddled.

You could not sell it if you guys called it what it is.

 

[londonfog]

It does represent advancement. But advancing towards what?

Doublespeak keeps the herd befuddled.

You could not sell it if you guys called it what it is.

lets take on one progressive issue...Health care...I for one feel everyone and anyone should be able to get health care...only a demon would want to see the next man/woman in pain and not want to do something about it...

 

[Uncultivated]

I'm pretty sure this will go down directly along party lines, so here's my 2 cents worth:
If the republicans were really concerned about the deficit, They're not, they would have never let the tax cuts for the wealthiest 2 percent be extended. They would also be trying to cut the pentagon and defund the 3 wars we have going, (the troops would have to be removed from the battlefield) eliminate all corporate tax loopholes and get rid of government subsidies to agribusiness and oil companies, and other sweet corporate deals they so love. The hypocracy is so intense that it must fly over the electorates head, or else, we have a very stupid electorate,(My opinion) and they vote for the republican party of the past, not these idiots we have now usurping the conservative party, (Teabaggers). There was a time I voted republican, (I really hate to admit it) but now, with the Teabaggers trying to eliminate unions and lay off a few million more workers, (And they said Jobs were priority #1) I guess what they meant was the loss of jobs for working people were priority #1. The whole republican platform is a giant turd sandwich for the working people of America. What gets me is the fact the dumbass American people can't see it. There may be hope, I believe, as the repukes get more and more towards Fascism, the people are starting to wise up. The scariest thing the republicans fear, is an informed electorate, and as they push us further to the right, the people are waking up, to wit, Wisconsin. I think the people will blame the repukes for the shutdown, Obama has compromised time after time and it is never enough for the teabaggers, let them stew in their own juices.

LOL this from a guy complaining about an "informed electorate"? Name one time Obama has compromised. I mean, ever! You can't, because he hasn't. And you forget that the only reason this is happening right now is because the democrats, when they owned a veto-prtoof majority in congress, refused to pass a budget for 2 years!

The budget deficit in February alone was larger than any single year in Bush's entire presidency. Right now we have an administration and a democratic party who are IMO intentionally trying to bankrupt our county. Why? I dunno... perhaps because of this fucked-up viewpoint of the left that everything/anything wrong in the world is due to America and/or capitalism. I just don't get it.

And now they're trying to hold the military's salaries up, hostage to theire attempt to spend us into oblivion? Public-sector union employees, there they have absolutely zero tolerance for the slightest concession, but they throw the US military under the bus in a heartbeat? And all in an attempt to try to somehow twist it to blame the republicans (with the lapdog media's help, of course). Today's democratic party sickens me to the very core. The spineless republican party is almost as sickening for letting the left dictate terms for the wholesale destruction of our nation (and when they were in power they spent way too much as well, but still an order of magnitude less).

If we survive as a nation until 2012 and a different president, it will be a fricken miracle!

 

[Johnnyorganic]

lets take on one progressive issue...Health care...I for one feel everyone and anyone should be able to get health care...only a demon would want to see the next man/woman in pain and not want to do something about it...

A basic tenant of Fascism is universal health care.

Before MessiahCare, anyone who needed health care was treated regardless of ability to pay. It has been the law for a long time.

Everyone has problems. You want to be your brother's keeper? Fine. Do it, but don't believe for a second I will allow you to force me to do it, too.

Health care should not be an entitlement.

I read this article recently and I thought of you.

http://journalstar.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_af7c64bd-4bd4-54a9-b7f4-1efd14e4818a.html

Has any crazy shit like that happened at your laundry center?

 

[Uncultivated]

lets take on one progressive issue...Health care...I for one feel everyone and anyone should be able to get health care...only a demon would want to see the next man/woman in pain and not want to do something about it...

You know who's REALLY evil? Farmers!

That's right, I said it. Farmers are evil, hateful opportunists, making money off of people's HUNGER! Outrageous! Bloody capitalists!

Obviously, everybody should be able to get all the food they want, for free. Only a sick, twisted demon would take advantage of a hungry person. Something must be done!

 

[londonfog]

A basic tenant of Fascism is universal health care.

Before MessiahCare, anyone who needed health care was treated regardless of ability to pay. It has been the law for a long time.

Everyone has problems. You want to be your brother's keeper? Fine. Do it, but don't believe for a second I will allow you to force me to do it, too.

Health care should not be an entitlement.

I read this article recently and I thought of you.

http://journalstar.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_af7c64bd-4bd4-54a9-b7f4-1efd14e4818a.html

Has any crazy shit like that happened at your laundry center?

lol ...loved the link...freakin thieving bastard....I had kids break into my vending machines...one thing about kids..offer a little dough and they talk...

I feel heath care is an entitlement...your preamble states as such

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America

 

[londonfog]

You know who's REALLY evil? Farmers!

That's right, I said it. Farmers are evil, hateful opportunists, making money off of people's HUNGER! Outrageous! Bloody capitalists!

Obviously, everybody should be able to get all the food they want, for free. Only a sick, twisted demon would take advantage of a hungry person. Something must be done!

you a joke....johnnyorganic I would not co-sign on this foolish crap...

 

[Ernst]

lets take on one progressive issue...Health care...I for one feel everyone and anyone should be able to get health care...only a demon would want to see the next man/woman in pain and not want to do something about it...

Devil or the Health Care Industry.

 

[beardo]

This whole govt shutdown thing is bullshit, it's just another scam perpetrated on the American people at our own expense. Their is no govt shut down their just going to fuck us harder and convince us we need to fuck ourselves for our own good.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

lol ...loved the link...freakin thieving bastard....I had kids break into my vending machines...one thing about kids..offer a little dough and they talk...

I feel heath care is an entitlement...your preamble states as such

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America

I thought you might appreciate it.

The 'promote the general welfare' statement is in the PREAMBLE.

Which means the CONSTITUTION itself, which follows the Preamble by the way; is the blueprint by which the founders intended to promote the general welfare.

That one statement has been misused and abused to the point where programs under which presumably fall under this 'clause' actually degrade the GENERAL WELFARE of the nation.

 

[londonfog]

agree to disgree..by the way I Like Turtles

 

[beardo]

They've got no balls, they won't shut down shit.

This whole govt shutdown thing is bullshit, it's just another scam perpetrated on the American people at our own expense. Their is no govt shut down their just going to fuck us harder and convince us we need to fuck ourselves for our own good.

And again things worked out as I had predicted, now get ready for them to fight about raising our debt ceiling, just what we need a bigger line of credit....

 

[shmow52]

what happens when the world switch's the standard currency?

 

[beardo]

what happens when the world switch's the standard currency?

Soros is hashing that out right now, I think for you and I it means we eat less, work more, and live with more people in a smaller space.

 

[MrDank007]

We become a banana republic

 

[bobbypyn]

Fascism has been around a lot longer than Alex Jones. FDR modeled the New Deal based on what he saw taking place in Fascist Italy. That is not Alex Jones' interpretation. That's history.

You simply ASSume I pay attention to anything that guy has to say. He's an entertainer. Nothing more.

So you say you are an Anarchist. BFD! That just means you need an excuse to set fires and break windows.

Progressive policies are bringing this country down slower than Anarchy would. However, the breakdown will lead to Anarchy.

But Anarchy is temporary. Eventually, the masses BEG for someone to save them. Presto! Dictatorship.

The sidewalks may be different, but they both lead to the same playground.

So you go on with your 'Nazi this; Nazi that.' horseshit. You are simply showing your own asshole to everybody.

hey buddy, why don't you read a little true anarchist theory before making a blanket statement with a misinformed definition of the very word. Anarchism is not a void begging to be filled; that is a myth purported by those who think we need governance. look at it like this: If all the cops and prisons disappeared tommorrow, would you start robbing and raping at will? sure there are some among us who would, but that's why a free society is a well armed society. If heroin was available at CVS tommorow would you become a junkie? here again; some would and here again social darwinism steps in.

"Anarchism recognises only the relative significance of ideas, institutions, and social conditions. It is, therefore not a fixed, self enclosed social system, but rather a definite trend in the historical development of mankind, which, in contrast with the intellectual guardianship of all clerical and governmental institutions, strives for the free unhindered unfolding of all the individual and social forces in life. Even freedom is only a relative, not an absolute concept, since it tends constantly to broaden its scope and to affect wider circles in manifold ways. For the Anarchist, freedom is not an abstract philosophical concept, but the vital concrete possibility for every human being to bring to full development all capacities and talents with which nature has endowed him, and turn them to social account. The less this natural development of man is interfered with by ecclesiastical or political guardianship, the more efficient and harmonious will human personality become, the more will it become the measure of the intellectual culture of the society in which it has grown."

- Rudolf Rocker, "Anarcho-Syndicalism"

 

[bobbypyn]

Anarchism is a definite intellectual current in the life of our times, whose adherents advocate the abolition of economic monopolies and of all political and social coercive institutions within society. In place of the present capitalistic economic order Anarchists would have a free association of all productive forces based upon co-operative labour, which would have as its sole purpose the satisfying of the necessary requirements of every member of society, and would no longer have in view the special interest of privileged minorities within the social union.

In place of the present state organisation with their lifeless machinery of political and bureaucratic institutions Anarchists desire a federation of free communities which shall be bound to one another by their common economic and social interest and shall arrange their affairs by mutual agreement and free contract.
Same source.

somebody tell me where it says anything about being a transitional theory? Johnny, you my friend are the one displaying ignorance in this matter. read a book dude. not a wikipage, a book; remember those?

 

[bobbypyn]

furthermore, JohnnyOrganic, the fact that you call alex jones an "Entertainer" is quite telling in and of itself. But i guess the definition applies, but if he qualifies as entertainer then so does Josef Goebbels. Jones is not trying to entertain you; can you say "PsyOps?" his tactics are textbook... literally.
In HIS VIDEO Police State 4 the rise of FEMA (he reeled me in with that title...) he tells his videographers "FOLLOW THE ANARCHISTS!!" why would he do that? cuz he knows WE are the last line of defense for personal freedom.
but whatever; believe what you want. have fun with all the other sheep in the FEMA CAMPS. I'll be fighting or gone. either way, I'm stoked.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

hey buddy, why don't you read a little true anarchist theory before making a blanket statement with a misinformed definition of the very word. Anarchism is not a void begging to be filled; that is a myth purported by those who think we need governance. look at it like this: If all the cops and prisons disappeared tommorrow, would you start robbing and raping at will? sure there are some among us who would, but that's why a free society is a well armed society. If heroin was available at CVS tommorow would you become a junkie? here again; some would and here again social darwinism steps in.

"Anarchism recognises only the relative significance of ideas, institutions, and social conditions. It is, therefore not a fixed, self enclosed social system, but rather a definite trend in the historical development of mankind, which, in contrast with the intellectual guardianship of all clerical and governmental institutions, strives for the free unhindered unfolding of all the individual and social forces in life. Even freedom is only a relative, not an absolute concept, since it tends constantly to broaden its scope and to affect wider circles in manifold ways. For the Anarchist, freedom is not an abstract philosophical concept, but the vital concrete possibility for every human being to bring to full development all capacities and talents with which nature has endowed him, and turn them to social account. The less this natural development of man is interfered with by ecclesiastical or political guardianship, the more efficient and harmonious will human personality become, the more will it become the measure of the intellectual culture of the society in which it has grown."

- Rudolf Rocker, "Anarcho-Syndicalism"

But the funny thing is, whenever Progressive protests turn violent it is the Anarchists who seem to be right in the middle of it.

Why do you think that is?

Anarchism is a definite intellectual current in the life of our times, whose adherents advocate the abolition of economic monopolies and of all political and social coercive institutions within society. In place of the present capitalistic economic order Anarchists would have a free association of all productive forces based upon co-operative labour, which would have as its sole purpose the satisfying of the necessary requirements of every member of society, and would no longer have in view the special interest of privileged minorities within the social union.

In place of the present state organisation with their lifeless machinery of political and bureaucratic institutions Anarchists desire a federation of free communities which shall be bound to one another by their common economic and social interest and shall arrange their affairs by mutual agreement and free contract.
Same source.

somebody tell me where it says anything about being a transitional theory? Johnny, you my friend are the one displaying ignorance in this matter. read a book dude. not a wikipage, a book; remember those?

I have read a book or two. And I do understand the pipe dream that Anarchists claim to strive for.

The tribal utopia where there is no avarice. No violence. No warlords. Just shiny happy peace. People all getting along as equals.

It's all bullshit and you know it. If you don't know it you are kidding yourself.