The Art of The Auto

[gunther360]

I am growing it now in a 3 gallon pot. 24 hr light. problend veg for 3 weeks then budcandy bigbud and sensi bloom a and b.. i will finish with over drive and give her a 12 day flush. 24 hour light! I got the huge results to show this is best! let me know if u want pics.
i am going to order some autos and cause i am newbie i like 2 take your opinion...i am between 3 different seeds
1st Barney's Flower Power
2nd Buddha Seedbank Demios
3d Auto AK47 #lr2
i have serched about the demios and flower power here but coulden't find a thread, so pls tell me your opinion about these 2
tnx in advance!!![/QUOTE]

 

[K21701]

the problem with this seed it's that i cant find it at the site that i am buying from...
can u give me a site that is reliable and of course stelth?

http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/mdanzig-seeds-automatix/cat_284.html

 

[TshirtNinja]

Don Stoner, I would personally advise against transplanting autos. Given the extremely short vegetation period I have found that you need to plant and keep the plant in the same pot for the entirety of the grow. Stressing the root system on an auto can lead to underdeveloped plants/shitty harvest. By the way, does the PC case work? I have a three year old and eventually I'm going to have to stop using my extra bedroom closet and opt for something more stealthy. Cheers!

Transplanting an auto is not going to loose a lot of production bro..... I transplanted my ladies twice last grow and gripped almost 2 oz each........ This was with doo doo genetics from nirvana as well.... If you transplant just make sure to do it the right way and presoak your mediums before transplant. I just moved 2 blue himilaya diesels into 3gal smart pots yesterday and they look flawless..... No stunting no stress...... Just be gentle and efficent. Move them as few times as you can though. Everyone is sooooo scared to put ANY stress on there ladies and I honestly don't know why anymore..... These are plants not cancer patients. They need a little bit of life stress anyway.

 

[hoss12781]

fair enough, I was just letting Don Stoner know what happened when I started one in a solo cup and moved it to a 14 inch pot. The results, for me at least, were unsatisfactory. There is a solid chance I did something to stress her out. IMHO better safe than sorry.

 

[comet]

http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/mdanzig-seeds-automatix/cat_284.html

tnx mate 4 your time reading

I am growing it now in a 3 gallon pot. 24 hr light. problend veg for 3 weeks then budcandy bigbud and sensi bloom a and b.. i will finish with over drive and give her a 12 day flush. 24 hour light! I got the huge results to show this is best! let me know if u want pics

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thats super cool!! if u can my friend post some of the pics i would be greatfull
tnx 4 reading u 2

 

[matatan]

ill thread. my first grow i did an auto, easy ryder pics below.

question for those more familiar with autos..
can u top an auto? i mean i kno i can phisically do it, it might be tricky cause of internodial space is very small, but possible. what im asking is will the cuttng grow roots? and how will that mother react, can she stay in veg longer?

and what makes an auto an auto?? just that it is faster to harvest is all i know. ok.. can u keep an auto in veg stage and let it grow tall??

also doesnt thc content on autos gos down? so the best auto would be labeled as very good 'mids', in other words it wont be medicinal, not that powerful correct?

sorry for all the questions, i looked threw the first 3 pages then realized it was 478 pages!! lol. plus rep for the thread def!

 

[matatan]

pics of easy ryder aka lowyder #2 x ak47

 

[drmarcusg]

easy ryder day 63..3 weeks on 12-12...def a smaller yield than last grow on 20-4 but wayy more frosty..this one is probably gonna be done in a week....
last grow under 20-4, the plant seemed to get stuck on all clear and some milky trics...i allready have amber on these in 12-12 at day 63 when i had NONE at day 75 last time.....hmm

 

[matatan]

ill thread. my first grow i did an auto, easy ryder pics below.

question for those more familiar with autos..
can u top an auto? i mean i kno i can phisically do it, it might be tricky cause of internodial space is very small, but possible. what im asking is will the cuttng grow roots? and how will that mother react, can she stay in veg longer?

and what makes an auto an auto?? just that it is faster to harvest is all i know. ok.. can u keep an auto in veg stage and let it grow tall??

also doesnt thc content on autos gos down? so the best auto would be labeled as very good 'mids', in other words it wont be medicinal, not that powerful correct?

racerboy71 answered this in another thread...
"ok, your not asking if you can top an auto, but you want to know if you can clone an auto... the answer is yes and no at the same time.. you can physically do it with no problems.. the cutting will root and all, that's not the issue with cloning autos.. the issue is that the clone will be the same age as the mother that it came from, therefore it will probably hardly even be rooted by the time it wants to flower, so your going to end up with a tiny 10 inch plant that has hardly any bud.. this is because auto's flower by age and not light cycles like regular weed plants do..
and your second question, how to get an auto.. auto's are just from a variety of marijuana called ruderalis.. there are basically three varieties of cannabis.. indica, sativa, ruderalis, and some say afghani is its own class, but we'll just stick to indica's, sativa and ruderalis.. indica's come from the colder, mountainous regions like afghanistan, india, nepal, places like that.. less sun light in the days, cooler temps as well.. these plants stay shorter, flower faster, and have an overall higher yield then the other types of weed..
sativa's are usually from warmer places around the equator, like say jamiaca, africa, hawaii, vietnam... they sometimes have 12 hours of sunlight at all times.. these plants grow huge, super tall, thin leaved, and not as bushy as indica's, and give a different stone as well.. sativa;s give more of a soaring high, more in the head, cerebral if you will vs indica's that tend to be more in the body, and give what is referred to as a couch lock type of stone..
so this leaves us to ruderalis.. ruderalis comes from places like russia and mexico.. they are crappy plants that don't get very tall nor do they contain much thc, and they also don't require the amount of daylight to change in order to flower, they flower rather by how old they get... hemp is probably a ruderalis plant as it has a low thc level..

so, most breeders of autos take these ruderalis plants and breed them with other either indica or sativa dominant plants and make kids that have the auto traits, then breed these kids again and again back to the auto parents till they eventually end up with all auto's like in i tihnk it was hempsteads post on auto's..

hope that helped some, lol.. "

 

[jokero11]

i'm looking for some advice on breeding af.
ive started a lowryder grow to make more seeds so ive left them in plastic pint cups because i werent growing for yield, the plants are still quite small because of the pot size, theyr bout six weeks old from seed atm and look nice and healthy..
i left the males in with the females from day 1 and i am starting to think ive pollinated to early because there isnt mutch bud production not alot off white hairs...
but there is plenty of seed production in the little buds that are there..

so i guess i just wanted to now if i should have waited for more white hairs before pollinating would this have give me more seeds,,,

and how long before harvesting would u stop pollinating the females so all the seeds are 100%ripe and theres no lil white ones....

thanx in advance if u can answer this question.............

 

[surfhead]

hey all great thread , i am on another auto thread and trying to get to the bottom of this ? what pot size are you all using , i say 2-3 gallon pot size is fine for autos . also i think a foot of plant size per gallon of soil is a good rule of thumb any other thoughts .

 

[roll it up smoke it up]

Transplanting an auto is not going to loose a lot of production bro..... I transplanted my ladies twice last grow and gripped almost 2 oz each........ This was with doo doo genetics from nirvana as well.... If you transplant just make sure to do it the right way and presoak your mediums before transplant. I just moved 2 blue himilaya diesels into 3gal smart pots yesterday and they look flawless..... No stunting no stress...... Just be gentle and efficent. Move them as few times as you can though. Everyone is sooooo scared to put ANY stress on there ladies and I honestly don't know why anymore..... These are plants not cancer patients. They need a little bit of life stress anyway.

what lighting were you using to pull 2 oz's per plant?

 

[DesertSativa]

easy ryder day 63..3 weeks on 12-12...def a smaller yield than last grow on 20-4 but wayy more frosty..this one is probably gonna be done in a week....
last grow under 20-4, the plant seemed to get stuck on all clear and some milky trics...i allready have amber on these in 12-12 at day 63 when i had NONE at day 75 last time.....hmm

From these two runs, what lighting schedule would you recommend? If 12/12 is frostier but smaller and 20/4 is bigger but the trich's don't ripen, should 18/6 or 16/8 be ideal?

 

[hoss12781]

The times I've managed to pull up to or more than 2 oz off an auto I was running an air cooled 430W Plantmax HPS bulb almost directly over top of the plants and 105w CFLs (2700k and 5500k) on either side of the plant (usually two for each plant) to encourage the branches to grow out and up. I also have a small strong fan circulating the air in my closet. This is the strategy I've adopted as most effective. Concerning yield - I've come to believe it is mostly dependent on the pheno type oft the plant. Sometimes I just get "un-lucky" using this lighting scheme and only pull a 1.25 oz plant, but the majority of the time its in the upper ones, or lower twos if I have a little monster. In my experience you'll need a strong HID light on top and close supplemental side lighting to encourage the branch growth to get the results we all want. I'm also using 16 inch pots and Fox Farms nutes (open seasame, beastie, and cha-ching)

 

[hoss12781]

I also run 20-4 the whole time. I personally haven't noticed that it effects trich production. Those whose trichs don't develop under 20-4 could (repeat "could") have been using non-stabilized autos. If you have a shitty breed that someone pushed out the door half assed, then yes it may not fully flower under nonstop light.

Go with a reputable breeder, Short Stuff, Sweet Seeds, or anything Stitch has produced have all worked well for me. I've used 18-6 in the past, didn't notice that big a difference, maybe a tad bit smaller. I figure what the hell, blast 'em with all the light I have and take 4 to let everything cool off for a bit before the next 20 hour set.

 

[findme]

has anyone seen a difference between 24/0 vs 20/4?

 

[hoss12781]

a word of advice - 24/0 could represent a fire hazard if not done properly. Lights, especially HID bulbs need some down time. You can run a HPS for 24/0 (I'm not recommending this) but if you try that with a MH bulb it will fuck up the bulb toot sweet, especially if you're using an unprotected arch MH bulb.

 

[findme]

im going to be using some fluorescent tubes/cfls because its hot as hell right now. they don't get too hot and I was just wondering would it be worth it to use 24/0 or 20/4. my 1000w would be a fire hazard for sure. i definitely use it in winter though

 

[PrezDickie]

has anyone seen a difference between 24/0 vs 20/4?

from what i've seen it can be strain dependant, i've seen breeders recommend 20/4 and i've also seen info on strains that need to be left totally dark for last 4-5 days

I'm planning to run my auto's 24/0 till they really get flowering then 18/6 or even 12/12 if they don't auto like they should

 

[roll it up smoke it up]

I also run 20-4 the whole time. I personally haven't noticed that it effects trich production. Those whose trichs don't develop under 20-4 could (repeat "could") have been using non-stabilized autos. If you have a shitty breed that someone pushed out the door half assed, then yes it may not fully flower under nonstop light.

Go with a reputable breeder, Short Stuff, Sweet Seeds, or anything Stitch has produced have all worked well for me. I've used 18-6 in the past, didn't notice that big a difference, maybe a tad bit smaller. I figure what the hell, blast 'em with all the light I have and take 4 to let everything cool off for a bit before the next 20 hour set.

thanks! Im growing 6 plants right now about 2 weeks old and just started 15 more all short stuff seeds ( Auto Assassin, BHD, Onyx) under 1 400 watt hps in 2 gallon pots with fox farm happy frog soil. I just ordered another 400 watt hps should be here any day now... the 15 I just started will go in 3 liter soda bottles with FF light warrior soil. Hope I get a good yield with 2 400W hps.