mccumcumber
Well-Known Member
Ah, I understand what you're doing now, right on man! This is a rather ambitious project, but you seem to have your shit together, so the results should be awesome! Happy growing man.
The Start of My New Future Sativa Strain!
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poplars
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thanks bro I am a very ambitious person, I don't care if it takes years, I just know the potential of sativa for making my life better so I"m doing to stop at nothing to get a pure sativa in my life that I am truly satisfied with.
hey you might wanna check out durban poison or early pearl to cross with. Both are pure sativa lines already acclimated to a short (shorter, they're still sativa after all) season. A cross between a land race and DP would probably cut the flower time down considerably, while still retaining a pure sativa heritage.
That would at least get you some f1 beans that may finish in your climate for next summer. Inbreed the F1s and you will see much variation in the F2. From the F2, pick your earliest male and female. By the F3, you should be pretty stable with the flowering time, but still see a decent amount of variation. Once you see enough stabilization, cross back to your land race (or a different land race.) Then, inbreed those seeds for 3 or 4 generations, each time selecting for early flowering time.
You can also check out Jamaican Pearl, which is Jamaica x Early Pearl. This is already a stabilized, semi-early finishing pure sativa.
Also worth thinking about since you plan on doing some serious breeding is Autoflower sativas. There are some now that have a 13-14 week flowering period, but since they autoflower starting in June, the long budding time is no problem. I believe the eventual goal with these plants is to reach the full 18-20 week flowering period on an autoflowering plant. This would allow the purest sativa high with maximum THCV, but allow it to finish in many climates because they start making buds so much earlier. Just think. Instead of 18 weeks from the beginning of august, you could have your 18 week budding period start in the middle of May.
You could cross Super Cali Haze or Auto Haze, soon to be released this summer, with one of your land races, and inbreed the f1s. At the F2 you will see 25% of plants autoflower. Inbreed these and F3 will have 100% autos. This Auto Haze by LBH has been back crossed to pure sativas 7 or 8 times i believe, so it's potency is far removed from any of the ruderalis ancestors.
That would at least get you some f1 beans that may finish in your climate for next summer. Inbreed the F1s and you will see much variation in the F2. From the F2, pick your earliest male and female. By the F3, you should be pretty stable with the flowering time, but still see a decent amount of variation. Once you see enough stabilization, cross back to your land race (or a different land race.) Then, inbreed those seeds for 3 or 4 generations, each time selecting for early flowering time.
You can also check out Jamaican Pearl, which is Jamaica x Early Pearl. This is already a stabilized, semi-early finishing pure sativa.
Also worth thinking about since you plan on doing some serious breeding is Autoflower sativas. There are some now that have a 13-14 week flowering period, but since they autoflower starting in June, the long budding time is no problem. I believe the eventual goal with these plants is to reach the full 18-20 week flowering period on an autoflowering plant. This would allow the purest sativa high with maximum THCV, but allow it to finish in many climates because they start making buds so much earlier. Just think. Instead of 18 weeks from the beginning of august, you could have your 18 week budding period start in the middle of May.
You could cross Super Cali Haze or Auto Haze, soon to be released this summer, with one of your land races, and inbreed the f1s. At the F2 you will see 25% of plants autoflower. Inbreed these and F3 will have 100% autos. This Auto Haze by LBH has been back crossed to pure sativas 7 or 8 times i believe, so it's potency is far removed from any of the ruderalis ancestors.
Green Inferno
Active Member
You ever try that strain? It is one of the ones that really has my attention right now, sounds pretty promising.
poplars
Well-Known Member
I've read that durban poison is an indica/sativa cross... and this makes sense because I still doubt there are people out there who are dedicated enough to climatize a sativa purely...... I hope to be one of the first people in california to do this... if someone else already did it I want seeds!!!! otherwise I'm doing it myself.
my issue with going with existing strains is that people are shady as fuck... anything that has a shorter flower time or tolerance to the cold I have to seriously suspect it has indica or afghani in it...
and since we aren't in a regulated seed market.. I likely have to do this in a way that is semi-underground... getting seeds from people on here who have pure sativa seeds and etc....
I really can't see any other way of going about it... I checked out the real seed company but I don't have the money to buy anything from them at the moment... they looked legit.. but like I said we're in an unregulated seed market, how can I trust /any/ seed bank to have a /pure/ sativa???
also i'm good on autoflowering strains...really not my interest... plus that's also hybridizing a sativa...thus not pure and not what I'm looking for.
my issue with going with existing strains is that people are shady as fuck... anything that has a shorter flower time or tolerance to the cold I have to seriously suspect it has indica or afghani in it...
and since we aren't in a regulated seed market.. I likely have to do this in a way that is semi-underground... getting seeds from people on here who have pure sativa seeds and etc....
I really can't see any other way of going about it... I checked out the real seed company but I don't have the money to buy anything from them at the moment... they looked legit.. but like I said we're in an unregulated seed market, how can I trust /any/ seed bank to have a /pure/ sativa???
also i'm good on autoflowering strains...really not my interest... plus that's also hybridizing a sativa...thus not pure and not what I'm looking for.
True, but think about this.
The first cross between Rudy and sativa was 50%50%. Then, when back crossed to sativa again, it was 25% rudy, 75% sativa. The next cross made it 87.5% sativa, 12.5% rudy. The Next was 6.25% rudy, 93.75% sativa. So you see, by the 4th back cross, it is already almost 94% pure sativa. 5th back cross is 3.125% rudy. 6th back cross is 1.56% rudy. 7th back cross is .78% rudy.
These auto hazes have been 8 generations from rudy, so they are as pure a sativa as you would find at the equator, excepting the autoflower gene. 99.6% pure sativa. For all intents and purposes, the only thing retained from the ruderalis is the one particular autoflower gene. All other genes have been replaced by sativa genes. These are the future of cannabis growing because now people can grow a pure sativa with long bud cycle up to 50-60* N/S.
And, if you're turned off of autoflowers because of low potency or yeild, these auto sativas still reach 6 feet tall and produce a QP or so since they grow for 4 months instead of 2 like the first gen, indica autoflowers.
Green Inferno
Active Member
I think I'm gonna order some Durban my next order. I haven't seen it at Attitude, haven't looked yet, this place has it though:
http://www.amsterdammarijuanaseeds.com/product_info.php?id=a7410d2bb695f24eebf46d29549c2f2f¤cy=49&product_id=73
It says in one part, "Exclusively inbred never hybridized 100% Sativa. Well stabilized. ", but lower down it says "mostly sativa".
We'll see how it does in the garden when I buy the seeds. The only sativa I have this time around is TD, and I think that has some indica
in it if I'm not mistaken.
thexception
Well-Known Member
1st good luck with such an endeavour 
Okay, so here are a couple questions:
california DESERT? LOL...where is the desert in cali?
So r us dedicated RIU members who follow ur progress going to get a free 5 pack of seeds upon completion of ur created masterpiece?
Okay, so here are a couple questions:
california DESERT? LOL...where is the desert in cali?
So r us dedicated RIU members who follow ur progress going to get a free 5 pack of seeds upon completion of ur created masterpiece?
toastycookies
Active Member
subbed. i am doing currently pondering crossing a couple of my old bag seeds i started as well. seeds are probably 6-8 years old... here's the sativa i got going now, not to thread jack or anything, just some inspiration.
Gastanker
Well-Known Member
I'm expecting a bag of landrace pure blood colombian sativa seeds from an archaeologist professor I know. Supposedly some pretty fire 16-18 week jungle red bud. Can't wait to try something pure and subbed to see what comes of your project. So sad that the long run sativas are losing favor to the degree they are.
Green Inferno
Active Member
Do you know anything about "Original Haze", it is supposed to be a pure sativa.
http://hempdepot.ca/seeds/seedsman/OriginalHaze.html
I almost ordered some, but didn't, not looking for a 14-16 week flower at the time.
Next time for sure.
Dizzle Frost
Well-Known Member
Id go with the Tom Hill beans, there old orig stock....ive always wanted to grow it to...and their on sale right now for 70 frogskins .. i migh grab some.
Im subd for this one to..looks pretty tight...goodluck !
Green Inferno
Active Member
I've grown sativas before, outdoors. Definitely a better quality high, at least for me it was. Can smoke during the day, and still get stuff done.
TheLastWood
Well-Known Member
So I've read this thread 2x times now. First time I didn't reply, just been lurkin, but I think its a really cool project n wish u the best luck. I also love sativa genetics. The high is so much more unique and enjoyable. So ill be lurkin, subd
Beansly
RIU Bulldog
Hey man, how are things going?
It;s been a while since I stopped by but I see you got a few fans of the project. Right on.
I see someone mentioned O Haze.
If you want the original (so says Sam the Skunkman, the last man to work on them and friend and neighbor of onetime Haze Bros.), The flying Dutchman is the one you want to order. Carpe diem tho....this plant can take up to 36 weeks to finish flowering!
http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/the-flying-dutchmen-the-original-haze/prod_254.html
Just so you know tho, O Haze is appearance more for breeding stock than commercial smoke. I guess the smoke isn't great on it's own, but according to Sam, if you breed it to you favorite strains that it makes some out of this world hybrids.
There has to be some truth to since most of the haze made today can be traced back to O Haze.
A good haze cross I've had is Flying Dutchmen's Fumar con Dios. The only thing I've smoked like it is Super Silver Haze. Great smoke.
Good luck on the breeding project.
It;s been a while since I stopped by but I see you got a few fans of the project. Right on.
I see someone mentioned O Haze.
If you want the original (so says Sam the Skunkman, the last man to work on them and friend and neighbor of onetime Haze Bros.), The flying Dutchman is the one you want to order. Carpe diem tho....this plant can take up to 36 weeks to finish flowering!
http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/the-flying-dutchmen-the-original-haze/prod_254.html
Just so you know tho, O Haze is appearance more for breeding stock than commercial smoke. I guess the smoke isn't great on it's own, but according to Sam, if you breed it to you favorite strains that it makes some out of this world hybrids.
There has to be some truth to since most of the haze made today can be traced back to O Haze.
A good haze cross I've had is Flying Dutchmen's Fumar con Dios. The only thing I've smoked like it is Super Silver Haze. Great smoke.
Good luck on the breeding project.
Beansly
RIU Bulldog
Death Valley valley is in California man, one of the hottest places on earth.1st good luck with such an endeavour
Okay, so here are a couple questions:
california DESERT? LOL...where is the desert in cali?
So r us dedicated RIU members who follow ur progress going to get a free 5 pack of seeds upon completion of ur created masterpiece?
poplars
Well-Known Member
I don't live in death valley...lol....
um, me getting banned ruined the vibe, so while I will be keeping this thread around, I don't care to interact with it anymore... I am still on my sativa quest, I just wont be involving RIU in it every step of the way like I was planning.
um, me getting banned ruined the vibe, so while I will be keeping this thread around, I don't care to interact with it anymore... I am still on my sativa quest, I just wont be involving RIU in it every step of the way like I was planning.
Beansly
RIU Bulldog
Why'd they ban you? This fucking site man...
poplars
Well-Known Member
look in my say no to F1's thread and you'll see, dumbass newbs who have joined within the past 2 years giving people like me who've been here 4+ years shit like we're idiotic newbs who don't know anything... I flipped out on the motherfucker and got myself banned. this site isn't worth it anymore so I'm done.