Fucking Bastards

[mame]

wow are you clueless. have you been to a construction site in the last hundred years? can we say illegals, all at once now, illegals

plenty of profitable union companies....dont blink

Uhm, if that were truly the case than my dad probably would have had a harder time getting work for nearly the last 30 or so years... You know, as a union construction worker it must have been so hard! I'll go ask him... Oh wait... Even in the state the construction industry is in right now he still works more than he spends time off. Before the 08 recession he had so many work opportunities he was turning work down. Sounds like union construction is struggling! Oh wait... Not anymore than non-union construction (the construction industry is lagging behind most others the last couple of years after all).

how many jobs would have been lost if they went bankrupt? that was another option. never knew you were so communistic in your politics. hmmm

Who is going backrupt?

 

[newatit2010]

Ok union lovers, break out your pocket books again. The postal department needs 50 to 75 billion dollars more for the next 4 years.

Wonder which one is next.

 

[jeff f]

Uhm, if that were truly the case than my dad probably would have had a harder time getting work for nearly the last 30 or so years... You know, as a union construction worker it must have been so hard! I'll go ask him... Oh wait... Even in the state the construction industry is in right now he still works more than he spends time off. Before the 08 recession he had so many work opportunities he was turning work down. Sounds like union construction is struggling! Oh wait... Not anymore than non-union construction (the construction industry is lagging behind most others the last couple of years after all).

Who is going backrupt?
[/B]

yes, looks like its working out for all the union members. your dad has a job but about 67% of the other union guys have lost theirs over the last 30 years. wake up pal

http://www.data360.org/dsg.aspx?Data_Set_Group_Id=1387

 

[jeff f]

yes, looks like its working out for all the union members. your dad has a job but about 67% of the other union guys have lost theirs over the last 30 years. wake up pal

http://www.data360.org/dsg.aspx?Data_Set_Group_Id=1387

let me also state, i have no problems with private sector unions. its an agreement between workers and the bosses as to how the profits get shared. good for them.

public sector unions...they are the devil and need to be broken up. nothing competetive about them at all. get the right politician in office, get a raise outta someone elses pocket.

 

[NoDrama]

Fact: Those states with the lowest amount of unionization have the least unemployment. Only 2 unionized states break the top 10 in least amount of unemployment. Then again the worst unemployment statistic is Nevada, which is a Right To Work state.

1 NORTH DAKOTA 3.8 R
2 NEBRASKA 4.4 R
3 SOUTH DAKOTA 4.6 R
4 NEW HAMPSHIRE 5.5
5 VERMONT 5.8
6 IOWA 6.3 R
7 HAWAII 6.4
7 WYOMING 6.4 R
9 VIRGINIA 6.7 R
10 KANSAS 6.8 R
10 OKLAHOMA 6.8 R

R next to the state signifies Right to work state.

Once again North Dakota comes in #1. WTF is up with that shithole of a state?

Would you rather earn money to live, or just be out of a job but be part of a union?

 

[mame]

yes, looks like its working out for all the union members. your dad has a job but about 67% of the other union guys have lost theirs over the last 30 years. wake up pal

http://www.data360.org/dsg.aspx?Data_Set_Group_Id=1387

Accross the nation the picture is grim, sure. I've gone on and on about how unionization rates in America have declined from near 40% to ~12% nationwide and I've layed the blame on right to work states. Consider this graph:

As you can see the south, where most right to work states are, has the lowest unionization rates - far below the national average (with membership as low as only a couple percentage points in some states). Now without actually going and digging up the stats (because I'm familiar with them as I'm sure you are too) the south has the highest poverty rates, the lowest performing schools, etc (seems like fewer unions works GREAT for the south!)...

Oregon, my home state, obviously has higher levels of unionization. But that's not the whole story... Oregon is actually looking to buck the national trend! Here is what the last 10 years of union membership looks like for Oregon:

Now if you consider that my dad works between Oregon, Washington and occasionally Montana - it looks like he is in exactly the right place for a union construction worker to be.

Besides that, check out these little tidbits I found floating around the internets:

Union jobs are 17% more productive than non-union jobs. …
Good labor productivity not only reduces project costs, but also​

improves the project’s schedule and quality.

How about specifically construction? Well:

The productivity of union construction workers on commercial
and retail buildings was at least 31%, and as much as 51%,
higher than non-union workers … and … union workers are​

better trained.

(source)

 

[NoDrama]

Mame, your first graph isn't really relevant at all, unless you timewarp back 6 years ago when we were in a HUGE housing bubble with LOTS of unionized construction going on?

 

[mame]

Mame, your first graph isn't really relevant at all, unless you timewarp back 6 years ago when we were in a HUGE housing bubble with LOTS of unionized construction going on?

Do you have a more recent representation of unionization rates by state? I found 2010 US unionization rates to be nearly the same overall, at 11.9%(the 2005 graph shows 12.5%). How much of a difference do you think it makes on the overall outlook of the graph? I'd bet the picture is the same.

also, as far as your comparison of unemployment and right to work states... Many of the jobs that cause such low unemployment are first lost in a different state(and the job in the Right to work state pays less for the same work). Economic gain? Only if you look at the right to work state alone(and the savings offset lost production). Economic gain for the U.S. as a whole? I doubt it.

 

[GreenIce]

Now this administration, stupid ass harry reid, and the more fucked up union bastards want to stop Boeing from openning a shop in South Carolina. The reason is that SC is a right to work state and the fucking unions don't own it. If the fucking union gets its way a few thousands jobs lost. The god damn unions are a bunch stupid mofos that want to live like greece. Why don't the stupid mofos share their wealth Billions of dollars the union bosses spend and their stupid ass union worker keeps giving them more.

Maybe Boeing should move to china and say fuck you union bastards.

Supreme Court USA : No need for warrants if police smell weed and you are slow to door....this is due to your preferred conservative supreme court??? What happened to small government and stay out of my personal business????? Also you should look into what Bush did in his 1st month in office - went into Cali and dismantled as many grow and dispensaries as they could handle......Obama has ordered the justice department to stand down on independent states with local laws making medical marijuana legal. I'll take the unions, Obama and Reid any day over this stupid crap....and tell those idiots to stay out of our sex lives too........government has no business telling us how and who we can have sex with....fuck that stupid Boeing shit......THEY CAN NOT LEAVE THE USA.....IT IS FEDERAL LAW........THEY ARE DEFENSE CONTRACTORS GOOGLE IT!

 

[GreenIce]

Another point to make all those good jobs went bye bye not because of unions ( they can always leave for another state that does not mandate unions right?) They left for the tax breaks your team put in place to go overseas. They also left for the cheap labor obviously, but more importantly your team also put a lot of loopholes in the tax system so now they can leave us for China while being headquartered in the Caymen Islands with nothing more than a P.O. box registered in the Islands and guess what ....they pay ZERO U.S. tax dollars. Think about it and put your political position aside for a moment.....which is worse???

 

[londonfog]

Great Points^^^^^^^^^

 

[Coals]

They left for the tax breaks your team put in place to go overseas. They also left for the cheap labor obviously

Yup.
Is it really fair to expect the average American worker to compete with the average Malaysian worker?

The Maylasian workers employer has next to no Occupational Health and Safety obligations, no benefits cost, low taxes, 10% the avergae American workers wage etc etc.

The only way for us to compete is for the abolation of all the above mentioned items and then some.

Or we abolish free trade.

I really dont see any alternatives. If were not going to educate the people to excell at the high skill/high tech jobs and we give away all our manufacturing jobs then where are we headed?

 

[GreenIce]

Yup.
Is it really fair to expect the average American worker to compete with the average Malaysian worker?

The Maylasian workers employer has next to no Occupational Health and Safety obligations, no benefits cost, low taxes, 10% the avergae American workers wage etc etc.

The only way for us to compete is for the abolation of all the above mentioned items and then some.

Or we abolish free trade.

I really dont see any alternatives. If were not going to educate the people to excell at the high skill/high tech jobs and we give away all our manufacturing jobs then where are we headed?

1 simple way is to simply raise the import tax to balance the trade deficit and level the playing field.....that would make it more cost effective to just manufacture in USA rather pay all the taxes and shipping costs but unfortunately big business owns D.C. and they would never allow that to happen because their paying each other off. Another way is to allow the illegal immigrants to earn their citizenship by dedicating 5+ years of work at way under minimal wage....manufacturers could enjoy the cheap labor with no benefits and in exchange manufacturers could agree to hire at least 25% of U.S. citizens onto their work force at industry standard prices....any way you handle it we are seeing in recent years that these manufacturing jobs are really an important staple of maintaining a healthy economy and we need to find a way to get these jobs back.

 

[Charlie Ventura]

Supreme Court USA : No need for warrants if police smell weed and you are slow to door....this is due to your preferred conservative supreme court??? What happened to small government and stay out of my personal business????? Also you should look into what Bush did in his 1st month in office - went into Cali and dismantled as many grow and dispensaries as they could handle......Obama has ordered the justice department to stand down on independent states with local laws making medical marijuana legal. I'll take the unions, Obama and Reid any day over this stupid crap....and tell those idiots to stay out of our sex lives too........government has no business telling us how and who we can have sex with....fuck that stupid Boeing shit......THEY CAN NOT LEAVE THE USA.....IT IS FEDERAL LAW........THEY ARE DEFENSE CONTRACTORS GOOGLE IT!

And you think Bush was a conservative, right? Ya just gotta stop watching that Maddow gal, pal. The reality is, you couldn't slide a credit card between Bush and Obama.

 

[GreenIce]

And you think Bush was a conservative, right? Ya just gotta stop watching that Maddow gal, pal. The reality is, you couldn't slide a credit card between Bush and Obama.

Let me address your conservative claim like this: If Bush put 2 Libertarian Judges in the Supreme court we would not have this ruling......if he put 2 Liberal judges on the bench we would not have this ruling.........Bush put 2 of the most conservative judges on the bench (Alito and Roberts) and look how they keep hacking away at our rights of privacy and protection from illegal search and seizure. Bottom line is this watch Madow, watch O'Riley, watch Glenn, watch Ed and suck it all in and make a decision of your own. But I would not advise anyone to only watch say Fox news or MSNBC because you will only get programed the way the thinktanks want our country to be. If we all voted based on issues and not the party our problems would get solved and we would own our government. Right now our government owns us and the corporations own the government and because of this we are all puppets

 

[Coals]

Check out RT News Online. Take it with a grain of salt as it is a Russian funded station but they have some great stuff on it. Adam Vs The Man is a great show on RT

 

[mame]

And you think Bush was a conservative, right? Ya just gotta stop watching that Maddow gal, pal. The reality is, you couldn't slide a credit card between Bush and Obama.

This is really only true if you only look at foreign policy (wars, gitmo). Their domestic policy ideas aren't the same at all... I mean, just look at Obama's HC reform and compare it to the privatization plan Bush had for medicare... I mean, Obama isn't a socialist like many try to argue but he isn't a Bush clone either.... Obama is a pretty moderate guy.